The lobby told me they're all, don't use this one elevator.
It's really rickety.
Yes. Which is really fascinating.
That was from Florida.
So like, who fucking, what's going on?
And they have a bigger and they have a loiter time of hours.
The average drone, like I fly drones for my films, is like, you're lucky to get 25 minutes.
The grocery shopping drive you nuts, the lines and the chaos and the inflated prices.
Then you have all these third party delivery apps with their ridiculous fees, markups,
I have something that this is about an air base in Vanneberg Air Force Base in 2003.
And this is not an anonymous.
The contractors watched in amazement as the massive object slowly drifted east and
vanished over the hills.
I mean, we're talking all the size of a football field.
That's bananas.
well know you're not going to be able to handle.
Yeah.
So the program basically, it's funny because the last time I was on the show, we were talking
about an alleged crash retrieval case that took place in Virginia, Brazil in 1996.
There was the first congressional hearing.
There was behind closed doors meetings with a number of intel officers and witnesses.
It was the first time in my 30 years investigating.
And here's why I don't believe that because I have done 30 years of field research, right?
They experience interactions, very strange interactions.
And when they had those little orb like things that were flying around the movie,
You're really good at this.
You're not like, you're really good at like explaining-
And they're going, we don't know what they are, but everything's fine.
Well, he's addressing it.
What happened is there were a couple of intel insiders in the Pentagon reviewing some of
this classified data or so-called classified data and resigned in protest of excessive secrecy.
And the wind, the turbines are going round and round.
And I can't quite tell how close my drone is to them.
So I'm paying really good attention.
And I'm getting close to these big turbines.
And all of a sudden, my phone's ringing.
And it's you.
I'm like, oh my god.
I can't not answer this.
I got to answer.
So I answered it while my drone was up there.
Oh no.
And we talked briefly.
And you said, hey, can you get me in touch with David Grush?
I said, yeah, I got a guy that can put you in touch with.
That was Jason Sands.
And I guess you and Jason Sands talked about this alleged encounter
in 1994 with this entity, alien, whatever you want to call him.
In the desert.
So that was crazy story.
Crazy story.
But in any case, so when you watch the movie in the program,
you'll see the drone flying dangerously close to these.
And that's funny, a little inside thing though.
So I didn't crash.
I was on the phone with you when it happened.
But when you watch the footage, it's like, wow, that's really close.
Is that guy public with that story?
He, well, so because otherwise I would discuss it.
Yeah, yeah.
Because it sounded so nutty.
No, no, no.
OK, so here's what happened.
This is funny because when I was in Washington,
in 1994.
And it's one of the craziest stories.
And I've been doing this for 30 years and this story is nuts.
I actually had the voices cleaned up.
You can hear people talking about what the hell is it?
It looks like, looks like Terrence Howard's creation.
Doesn't it?
There's been a bunch of them.
It's not a small number of these things where people have experienced things.
He flipped up the thing and dropped it in there.
So I was like, kind of hung over.
There he goes.
Run, run.
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
It's funny actually because when I went up there without him, I was like, well, this is
why people hike with weights on.
We spotted one under a tree that was 30 yards away.
Tell everybody about it.
Okay.
You have all these guys took.
And the guy from Craig Lindsay goes, I don't know what you're talking about.
And here's a Xerox, which is really crappy.
It's just a scan to Xerox, like a fax machine over to M.O.D.
So 30, and we rumored about it because Nick Pope had talked about this case in a book
And I said, well, they didn't just throw that away.
Once you get in touch with the people that were there.
So was he just recreating what he remembered?
Yeah, that's a really crap copy.
You're looking at a really bad print.
Okay.
All right.
This number you have.
I might have my own.
24, and then he stepped down.
And he came through some intel folks we got in touch, and I said, hey, man, my film's
And then I got a pool for that.
And then I showed up at a wing across the street from the Pentagon.
And I said, you know, and you know what we're ultimately dealing with.
I mean, the quality, the vast majority of UAP or UFOs can be and have been explained
And you can quote me on that.
So, well, I've thought about this.
Like, you know, I'm going back to Brazil and I thought, you know, I'm obviously going after, you know,
to release and reveal the classified details necessary to verify his claims.
Okay.
But put a bunch of stuff in there that like makes people go, what is this real?
And just enough, just enough that you can hide the real stuff in there.
So I've made some inquiries with aerospace folks that I've been meeting with
quietly.
And I go, not a scratch, what, not a scratch, not a scratch on the, no, it was perfect,
didn't have a scratch.
That's a Travis Walton bottle head.
Oh no way.
I got it from Travis.
That's him staring at this guy.
Oh my gosh.
When he was a young man.
I went to the location at the remote spot.
So that is, I'm interested in that because that's a first hand witness.
Right.
That's a guy.
He's explaining his bizarre experience.
He's told the same story.
No question.
For whatever's 50, 60 years, whatever the hell it's been.
1975, whatever it was.
Yeah.
He's got abducted 50, almost 50 years.
So this guy was there.
That was his story.
I'm interested in that.
When I hear a guy told a guy that this is what happened and this is how he's driving
Super frustrating.
So talking to J. Sands.
First handed.
Yeah.
First hand was learned.
What the fuck is that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Face to face.
Tell me what it was doing.
What it looked like.
Yeah.
That's nice.
He thought it was an adolescent too.
He didn't think that it was a full grown one.
I thought it was young.
Well, he's got an illustration of it in the documentary and I tell you.
It's one of the great.
I remember after I imagined.
Imagine.
I know.
What I'm saying is I totally agree with you unfrustrated as somebody has been chasing the story for 30 years
You can't go after something
25 30 maybe 40 25
I wonder wasn't that how I go wonder what happened if I just pulled the trigger here and I bet it would ricochet off or hit the
Belly or something so he's looking at it and he's just about to pull the trigger to check it out
And something so big that I couldn't see the edges of it. Yeah, flew overhead. I don't know what I'd say
Missed Minimum and miss all started getting shut down
Yeah, I could imagine you wouldn't handle that well. Could you imagine having to keep that secret?
Two representatives and it was July at this point. It was very hot two men in dark suits showed up at his house and
No one's gonna believe this. I have no proof of this other than her testimony screw it
So I you think we're on an accelerated path. Do you think this is like this is all good
Right, I'm convinced of it. Yes, but do you think that there's a real possibility like within the next few years that they just completely drop all the bullshit and come clean about this stuff
2008 2009 and he goes
James no he goes it's going to be disclosed with a small D
whistleblowers they have whistleblower protection. I'm so sorry. I meant to say that. Yeah, whistleblower protection. It's not quite in place
Um one of the things I really wanted to mention is that there is a gentleman a young man who's 30 and he feels like he's old
Why's he feeling old? Because you know in your 30 you feel like you're old really?
Well, I did when I turned 30 I was like how I'm 30 because just 10 years earlier. I was almost 19 right or 11 years early
I was 19 right you go for a teenager suddenly your 30 you always stick like 30 and I was talking to him not too long ago
Makes sense when you think of the capabilities of the United States military
It doesn't make any sense they can't figure out what's going on
Yeah, I think I won't spend the weekend in bed mister. Yeah, I mean
residents are advised to report any suspicious drone activity to local law enforcement avoid taking matters into their own hands like shooting them down people shoot them down
Emphasize the following most uap's of conventional explanations us project blue blue blue bullshit
So I'll present five or 10% of uap cases remain under the divide even after thorough analysis these cases
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I know but if true, where do you think it came from
3.4.3 alpha Centauri 4.3 light years away. Wow, but here's the crazy part pretty close
That's what he was saying. I was like, I don't know if they're subtle man. The Phoenix lights wasn't that subtle
That's aliens. I heard from some people around him that that because of his contracts with DOD that he kind of keeps quiet about it because
Said something a couple weeks ago
I believe they think it was a couple weeks ago. I'll check right now
But it's like these are big drones storm or a big drone fight coming and people are taking that as like he knew this was happening
Hmm a big drone fight coming
Well, you know, he's
Been real public about the idea that building man fighter jets is at this point kind of foolish
You know, and he's I think he's correct
You know the unpilot is only yeah, I mean I think the fun out of it
Well, it takes the biological mistakes out of it is what it does right it takes the human mind out the human mind is very fallible
You know, we already know that AI systems like Mike Baker explained to us that AI systems with fighter jets beat actual fighter jet pilots
100% of the time so when they have the simulated yes when they have these simulated dog fights
When they take AI fighter jets that we have right now they beat our fighter jet pilots the best of the best
100% of the time
So they don't have any biological limitations in terms of what what they'll stay in right? Yeah, don't you say you have that right
fighter jet pilots by humans will be destroyed very quickly
So he talked about it and so he put a clip up of us talking about it on the podcast. This is in November
I've had three of them. This is my third the acceleration is incredible. It's incredible. It's like a gut punch
Yeah, I mean they're getting better. They're getting the autonomous driving is incredible now
I was like
I went through the gears and I put it quite.
So it was a couple of us that worked on Fear Fractor,
a couple of the guys that worked on a set.
and I sold them.
And then after 10 years I was like,
available everywhere.
Yeah, and the phenomenon.