And triumphs. My father's words and ammonitions stay with me every day. And he had an incredible father. My grandfather was a decorated bomber pilot, World War II, flew a Corsair and was fortunate to be selected to fly over Tokyo Bay when the Japanese surrendered.
At age 18, I was able to complete all of the schooling quickly and take the test, the four hour test, and obtain my license to focus on commercial real estate.
And it was a surprise to everyone. My own parents thought that it was an unusual, perhaps foolish path.
Because my father wasn't in the real estate business, but I saw it as an opportunity to be involved with the changing landscape of the communities surrounding us and the rest is history.
So I started off in business at a very young age at 18. It sold my first office park when I was 19 years old.
And I built a proprietary database as a teenager, tracking all of the inventory and the power players in the market.
I would spend hours every day cataloging every building from one end of the market to the other and the companies that occupied spaces in those buildings.
With no thought of compensation, we're just there to help. We're there as missionaries without any money and not looking for any compensation and just wanting to roll our sleeves up and help.
That was an important experience for me. The whole experience with Hurricane Iniki at the beginning of my mission really set the right tone for the rest of my experience.
I mean it requires sacrifice, persistence and discipline in order to succeed.
And you know, at least in my world there's no easy deal. There's no easy path.
By the time I was 25, I had more office building listings.
And so I was fortunate to co-found the Cold War banker commercial operation in Utah at age 25.
The American dream is alive and well. Look at me. I'm the son of a ditch digger. My dad would be chuckling right now. He'd be nodding saying, yeah, you're absolutely right. We're immigrants that followed a dream that came to this country to start a life.
Only in America do you see the kind of opportunities that allow people to fulfill their dreams. I hope that we can keep that alive. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about our country right now.
We carry around the equivalent of a library of Alexandria in our pocket times 10,000, where there really aren't limiting factors, at least so far, as long as we preserve and protect our freedoms. And our, our, our right to, to be able to succeed and to take risk and be rewarded for that risk.
Keeping that intact, that system intact is going to be so critical to our success going forward. I mean, our, our ancestors fought for it, died for it, died. Many so many people died so that we, we can enjoy the freedoms we have today. And you're, you're proof of that. I mean, you serving with the Navy seals.
100% of the proceeds from their products on Veterans Day every year. I love this company.
They are just solid people with a solid product and they just won everybody to experience
selling the Utah property. He had expressed not only willingness to consider the sale, but the
fact that he was very busy and occupied with negotiating deals with SpaceX and NASA and others,
you know, playing a key role in the private space race. We had a great visit and I think developed
a good relationship. I told him that I was a skeptic that I'd never seen a UFO or a ghost or
or or anything of the sort and that I would be bringing in my own team. I also asked him for any of
the data. And he said, well, I'm selling the property on and as his basis, I'm not willing to
turn over any data. Not only because the ranch was part of a Pentagon-funded black budget program
between 2007 and 2013, but he he went on to say that he felt, you know, he wanted to keep that
that private. And I agreed at the end of the day, I felt that starting with a clean slate
not only conducting drone surveillance of the property, but also developing a historical record
of the landscape to better understand every inch of this 512 acre assemblage.
How do you determine the value when you're selling to a skeptic who wants to acquire it to debunk
the entire operation? Yeah, it's a it's a negotiation. It's subjective, but I think Mr. Bigelow knew
and the security at the time looked at me the straight face and said, look the Native American
neighbors that surround this property. Place these animal bladders on the fence line and bless them
the security, uh, the six foot six security, um, professional that, uh, that was there, was,
wasn't present. And for some reason, uh, we kind of lost track of him. And everyone said, well,
down at me. And I said, what's going on? Something happened. What's going on? He said, well, that was weird.
right above the mesa at 4 o'clock in the afternoon on October 14th. And there is a
American witch or warlock that sells their soul in exchange for immortality, the ability to take
on the skin or shape-shift, oftentimes in the form of a wolf, a dire wolf, or a weird wolf-like
us has yet to truly be understood. Do you want to talk about any of those studies that have
been released yet? No, I think we'll be addressing those in the future. Okay, but I would say that
surrounding Skinwalker Ranch and his files coupled with the nids, the bigelow team files.
Stand is a very compelling documentary record of activity in the UN to basin
and the ranch in general. But as much as this property seems to be the center of gravity and is
exhibiting the highest frequency of UFO activity and high-strangeness, it covers the UN to basin.
People out there have continued to have experiences. Even the oil and gas industry has had incidents
occur relative to their sites out there and there are a lot of professionals who have remained
silent, have not wanted to go public that are now finally reaching out to our team and letting
their stories be told. These are first-hand accounts of activity that correlates with what we are
the final phases of that project. One thing about Jim that I learned in being his broker and his
advisor was his love for the Native American community and his commitment to raise millions of
DC, this is when my identity was still confidential, secret as owner.
Intermountain West, representing Fortune 500 companies and working closely with the governor's
office and other agencies, I did not want this project with skinwalker ranch to in any way
funds in order to help bolster the infrastructure that have gone to vendors, but no money. Not one
penny has made its way into my pocket personally by design. That's incredible. And I
public the reality of our investigation as it unfolds. And that is perhaps one of the most exciting
parts of this effort, this endeavor that I would have never anticipated is the opportunity
ranch, I, I have to defer to them. I, I have to give them the latitude to get to the bottom of the
truth and take more aggressive measures to, to hopefully get some answers. And so we've relaxed
up, or, or end up with people more people hurt unnecessarily. What are the offline conversations
and when we come back, we'll talk about the, uh, wormhole portal, black hole, bring it on, whatever we
want to call it. You got it. Perfect. The man who's been called the godfather of artificial
You know, so many things have happened above the triangle. And I think the first thing that I saw
and up being able to, to really pierce through and to realize extraordinary results. I said earlier in
our interview, I mean, in order to get extraordinary results, you have to put forth extraordinary effort.
I was using that as a business reference that it takes sacrifice to get results. And
and this ranch investigation is no different. I think we're all sacrificing. We're all
locking arms and trying to determine the nature of what is happening.
It is in a function of proving that there's something happening. That's already done. It's,
it's being able to identify the origin and the identity associated with the phenomenon
that drives me. And I think you can expect to see in the future hopefully some communication.
I think whatever we're dealing with is highly intelligent. I will not be surprised. If at some point,
have become an effective vehicle for at least testing the space and seeing when there are anomalies,
when there are disturbances. Um, we are going to be using, I think, um, you know, some more advanced
Uh, I think it's important for all of us to realize that you,