I'm sort of regurgitating this from talking to Lavenda.
Because Lavenda and DeLong wrote secret machines together.
Um, the conversations between Podesta and McCasland and DeLong, and then by way of DeLong and Lavenda are happening through these emails.
And on this topic, I think one of the most sophisticated commenters in the space on it is Lavenda for sure.
I think there are, there are, this is where we get into the, to the Lavenda cosmic ascent stuff too,
it sounds very Lavenda pilled ancient aliens, higher beings type vibe where they're massively,