as the nazi ufo guy okay like that was really his original training yeah was in um what's it called
well i think orthodox okay orthodox okay eastern orthodox some version of that and um but he he's
we've talked i didn't really think that he was um so i don't know you know we're always evolving we're
in this stuff just you know for a few years recently since like the emergence of youtube um but i think it
topic so um it's always just so interesting to hear people's takes on this stuff when they've been
studying studying for so long um but for people that don't know who you are can you just give like a
so um i got involved in this subject a little over 30 years ago so it was in the like 1993 94
um when jimmy carter kind of strengthened foia at that time and so at that time a lot of
corona you don't think it was any human manufacturing or any human technology no because i had so so um
philip corso he wasn't a general but he was um an officer in the u.s army and uh in the late 50s early
the day after roswell was published in 1997 he stated yes my assignment at that time was to um
um but other uh i mean it seems to me that if you've got something as exotic as technology that
areas that human sciences are trying to replicate and material science yeah like um
to manufacture um and so that would be the material science and that would be an important thing like
uh to what was his phrasing he said uh to serve as um a wave guide uh for high frequency electromagnetic
so i started i'm looking at um all of these early documents that's really what got me in so i was
as i was able to scrounge them up at the time this is back in the 1990s and um and i published my first
tough thing to do uh but then i i got picked up by a different publisher and um and then that was that
me um in its grip ever since so your theory was that the your conclusion was that the national
fingers in this pie and it's not all uh federal government and um and so over the years like
would drop me a little little drops along the way little breadcrumbs um and um indicating like
whole topic was that documentary that you were a part of um about paul benowitz um was it the magic
six yeah that's early that blew my mind that totally that totally blew my mind um such a first of all such
is what was paul bennewitz actually observing so was he observing um advanced u.s defense systems that
that um but the fact that they went in and screwed with him and convinced him that it was aliens
for disinformation yes i think that's absolutely true and and um i wrote about this in one of my
actively cultivating um ex-air force and ex-military people getting all kinds of stories about crash
is probably true is you muddy the waters and you you um put out information that would
empire of secrecy and the late 70s early 80s they make the decision in the early 80s like let's um
the way yeah i think um when me when i had jesse michaelson here he was i think he told me that
less than 20 that needs to be fake wow really yeah i don't i don't i mean um i think so because there's
2006 and seven six seven 2007 and then um and i read the portion where wilson is telling davis
um well it got it got leaked out so there was a friend of the family who was able to get some of
no no and i don't think sarfati was part of the sri thing um okay that's put off and uh russell targ
oh that's it okay and uh i i i know and adore russell uh as well he's a he's a wonderful man but um
remote views yeah um but no i've been interested in that for a long time oh it's fascinating it's
it was wild listening to um how i'll just talk about that on rogan's podcast and i've had a lot
and the recent congressional yeah so like that was um oh and the reason i brought that up at all yeah
the briefing with very impressive statements and um christopher mellon who's always on point made very
with you today is what day is may 5th monday may 5th cinco de mayo baby yeah that's right um just a
that story then we had um trying to get these in order oh matthew brown who's uh the uh latest we
can say whistleblower interviewed by jeremy corbell and george knapp very interesting guy and then um
gregory this was put out in the daily mail uh by josh um boom no josh uh forgive me he's a friend i like
yeah i get like this ufo fatigue um and then i also go back and forth between like is it really
about joseph farrell before this thing started and um and i'm a friend of joe's and i respect and
and um interesting so i think yes like this goes back farther in time than a lot of the american
that as impossible at all um i mean we're already looking at exoplanetary systems and looking for life
more um maybe you can detect consciousness you know you can go we talked about remote viewing yeah
enough to develop um advance life and which i think i i've come to believe i'm not a i'm not a expert in
are uh the brain capacity of the human being today is less than it was among um our ancestors even more
that you're right i think that's true like we've probably atrophied um and what that of course this
in this solar system um all the different species that exist on earth i think out of so this is kind
there's over two million species of animals i didn't mean to interrupt you isn't he the one who um
it's convergent evolution yes yeah um which means basically species that have not related to each other
um when i brought this up to greer he was he was explaining to me he believes it has something to do
all right we're not gonna waste time on this it i gave up um so how so explain to me what made you
want to um start working on this project involving usos specifically yeah one of the most uh rewarding
uh little rabbit holes i've ever gone down so i have um i mean i've had a long standing
um and you know i've i'd heard of this type of phenomenon for many many years uh it's always been
when i was looking at the statistics of this um this whole thing happened because
print magazines from the 1970s that i'd look for and just get them and and um find these cases where
base which is most of them it's long along the coast that's where people about like um oil rigs
how to kevin well yeah he um he made a really uh a really good insight on this and he just said look
i just haven't found as many but along the um uh you get like northwest aguadilla man or you go out to
trench in the pacific but it's you know close and it's quite large several hundred miles so you have um
there are a number of pretty good cases from that area he's showing pulling something up and who um
have collected a lot they do a lot of very good work out there um
jacques valet book where there was like a massacre down there polaris yeah yes at the amazon um the
delta reaching out to the atlantic ocean in the late 70s yes yes yes um and there's a lot of those
where you've got um it's very it's just very important so maybe there's part of that that's
going on maybe they're interested in that yeah um but anyway yeah there were some cases in the late 70s
years some very bizarre cases of uh like human mutilation type cases um that he was looking into
better than i do are these with um indigenous people or are these with sophist like like like uh
i'm going to say something that's not accurate okay i see um but yeah this is look this is a subject where
there this is at um it's after midnight so it's dark uh there was i looked into this there was like a half
in his log it's 1825 his name was andrew bloxum we've got his name his his um book is published
okay you can take that away from him okay but they um i don't know if they had a really good size
name is james copp with a k and he also reported this to a couple of other um websites uh at the time
like um i think what do they have f4s they were not operational so the aircraft would not fly or
tic tac's a great case for sure absolutely for sure um i mean that one's like apparently it's
and there's a lot of good witnesses for that um kevin day who operated the radar aboard the uss princeton
and great to tell and of course we have david fravor's testimony and and um a number of the
other witnesses now have come out um who have have discussed it so i i don't think that we have any
one or two of american but the soviets soviet union um yeah they have some we we learned about them i think a
there was a um apparently a a formal classified study of them that was supposedly within the soviet
i don't want to mess it up yeah he's good okay thank you um i i just have to think like the drama
phrase yeah yeah really it was my little thing yeah oh wow um and i was thinking because i'm interested
in uh the study of human civilizations is a very um kind of i i once read uh the condensed version
he wrote this arnold toynby he's a he was a genius okay and i think he died in the 40s um but he wrote this
study of human civilizations anyway i was reading that at the time this is 2007 2008 and um i thought you
um based on roswell tech or whatever other advanced tech that is kept secret but we had examples
it as well and you could you can go pretty far with it um i'm usually i'm more cautious about it than
wonderful person she's like a absolutely decent wonderful totally um so but she's also
everything's now out in the open you can't really um yeah everything's got to be kind of tossed out
totally different world uh it feels like but but um one thing that i've always felt is that a genuine
name was billy and um yeah really affected my dad it was a real real tough thing so 9 11 was a very
one of my theories on 9 11 is that um that people that were closest to it and affected by it the most
in fact i did a i wrote a little tv series for gaia television um number of years ago on the history
of false flags you can go find it go to guy and go look for it um that was much less than i had actually
um people like my own dad my father uh you know when i started really looking at 9 11
and i used to talk to my dad on the phone about this and um i have to be careful because i could
get emotional uh so just forgive me here sure sure but um my dad learns that like richie
all into this alternative theory about 9 11 and i talk with him every week on the phone and um
and he came around you know my my dad um all right we'll have to talk about something else so let's move
move on we'll come back to it when i can collect myself sure um we were talking about uh disclosure and
um yeah what it would look like and what the incentives would be for disclosure and how um
yeah i do because um well because trump if i can am i allowed to say that on youtube yeah um you know
complicates uh disclosure as well um i mean look you know we were talking earlier in this conversation
definitely a large amount of people out there who um for you can't really blame them that they know
that so but i'm not i don't look at it that way so i don't have a lot of their um you know predilections
nature you can never not expect that but um but there are definitely the secrets the real hardcore
do you have um sort of like a a checklist or do you have any sort of way to qualify people who come
to um whether pro or con that go too far like you want to take your time with these things
and provide their own perspective and that just takes time and it's nuanced um but no i don't know if
finishing one of my books and um i ended up thinking i believe this man and i believed him because
during those years i have a tremendous regard for george so um i ended up you know this is how i made my
that he was yeah yeah that's right um like the the the brothel and the other stuff yeah he did uh
happened i don't know i think he's talked about this it's like you know maybe i um i should have
off to the side until i felt that i had spent enough time to research it yeah and um yeah at that time
transcripts that he had done in like 1990 91 92. um he stopped i read them all he doesn't do anymore
screwed my mind up was um the guy who went on jesse michael's podcast who was talking about
he had a different he was had a different angle of it he was a part of some different organization but um
um basically he says that he went to one of greer's public yeah whistleblower conferences and he
of those wasn't he yes he was and um and you know you said they were they were keeping them and like
publicly so i understood that's fine um but i during that whole period uh there was some really
jacques valet talked about it in in his forbidden science one of his volumes in his diaries um oh
really yes yes he mentioned knowledge of it at the time when at when um the ass when um
to get a quick bath and break we'll jump right back in we're back folks we're back um we were
talk more about the military aspect of this uso stuff yeah yeah yeah um what before we do that one of my
questions that i've been wanting to ask you is um do you i'm sure you do know about um this base i talked
um steve if you pull up the podcast i did with jesse it's in the timestamps i think it's its own
so um apparently what what i for the way i understand it is they had some sort of
these books um i break them into chapters and at the beginning of each chapter i try to highlight like
was a part of this base somehow well there's an underwater version of the nro um and it's n uro
uh national underwater um forget the acronym there's a a brilliant uh uf uh ufo podcaster on youtube uh
there one one thing that they were they have they collected um a tremendous amount of intelligence
or maybe the sea i think the halibut i can't remember but they um were able to get very valuable
intelligence for a good decade or more based on what they were doing there they're like um yeah
surprise me yeah yeah it's crazy stuff man it really is and another thing that um catherine
you know i i um used to know there was a researcher uh by the name of richard souder dr richard souder
and uh is he the guy that was killed no not too much i think he's still alive okay yeah you might be thinking of um
so he looked into the um technologies that we know exist to go deep under the ground
and to go deep under the ocean floor and that this is not an impossibility um we actually have
a book um which back in those days i was his publisher so i know about it quite well uh he's publishing
the uh prov bird lives there um so we don't want to agree with you i'm trying to consider
um another thing so catherine was explained also talking a lot about these uh breakaway civilizations
i'm certainly not and um i don't know as many things as he knows i have no doubt about that he
apparently like mapped the moon and then uh there was this other guy um i think his name was tim who
times a number of times and um is that believable yeah that's totally believable yeah yeah i could
modern day paul bennewitz well one thing that i can say um i actually did an extended interview with chris
that he did with anyone on on um social media could be when was it 2017 2018 a while ago i think
attest to that certainly there's him there's his son and the other witnesses um i think all have come out
his property which i have not been to so i need to be upfront about that um you know it's hard for me
yeah i i tend to um i i don't think he's making any of this stuff up i feel like uh my my gut told
um the thing that just raises my hairs is the fact that all these people from intelligence and and
who knew him you know he was this guy who had just gotten into the ufo field yeah um medical doctor
he was basically making the case that um essentially what the news article showed was uh the description of
it's of profound significance and so that means there are people who have a stake um on the pro side
at stake um and those individuals will use their assets in establishment media they will use their
op yeah i mean uh it comes up frequently and um or it's come up frequently enough i suppose i can say
a bit if you don't mind so i um you know i got into this whole field in the 90s when conspiracy theories
jim mars had already written his great book um crossfire the plot to kill kennedy i was good friends with
out there and we were developing as a society a um a much more like critical view and then you know for
and sort of see where they all fit together and maybe where they don't and um provide that to
levels but uh the fact is that it is is not for me to um to write someone off just because they see
it's been submitted i'm just waiting for amazon to approve it so that's that's nice um i have a
website called richardolemembers.com and um there's a paywall but there's a lot of free stuff
definitely lay the uh most of it at the cia and uh the the deep state um i think kennedy's assassination
rip through a couple of these questions if you don't mind yeah um gladly but that's all for the