Which we never, I never knew until Ray Fowler interviewed her.
And then she reported it to Ray.
She was open about it to Ray Fowler.
She was open about it to Ray.
Yeah. In fact, we hadn't even, you know, made that connection. It was Ray Fowler that made the
Well, even Ray did that in his book.
And, you know, decades ago, way before, uh, we were even aware of Ray Fowler.
So I tried to avoid it for a while and then a few days later, he came into my room and said, look, you know, this guy named Ray Fowler, Raymond Fowler is gonna, he's a UFO investigator.
And that's how I met Ray Fowler.
all the time that Ray thought I was going to have a seizure.
Uh, Ray certainly has.
Well, you'd have to get Ray.
And I went to his, um, after we had, after Ray had gotten finished with his investigation,
I'll try to get in touch with Ray and that'd be cool.
Well, I went to his, his support group for a while after Ray was done with his investigation.