Our guest today is an Air Force sergeant who worked at the highest levels on classified
So, there is a machine component in my training, but after that, it wasn't really much of a machine, so.
Right.
So I went a lot of places.
To the crazy skeptics out there, would you be able to produce like a DD-214 or like your service record?
They said that I qualified for every job in the Air Force, but I'd have to wait X amount of time if I wanted X job.
And I didn't want to wait.
And that was what EA 280 was.
And that's what sent me to the NSA complex.
Now, make sure everybody understands, this is 30-some years ago.
And he said he needed to meet with me.
So he told me where to go at the NSA complex.
And, uh, he had, um, now everybody understand this is 30 years ago.
Back in the day, I used to struggle with that post coffee crash and let's not even get into the caffeine jitters.
And then I assigned that, or he could have said 1947.
I can't remember exactly.
Um, he said that, you know, you have these different layers that are built in the military and in government in general, but definitely military where you have, um, one layer hiding another layer.
And of course, when you're at the official use only and, and unclassified aspects of things, there's not much of a layer, but when you get to the secret and the top secret and then black, and then in our case, and in the case of this, the gray project.
So it, one is designed to cover the other.
And especially when you get up to the black and gray project, because when you have a gray project, um, obviously you need funding.
You need the, all the logistics that go into running that.
And you have to have a reason.
You have to have a line item.
You have to have, um, justification for manpower and funding and all that.
So you do that because you have a black project that's co-located with it.
And only a select few of the people in the black project know about the gray project so that they can do their job and administer the gray project.
But all the funding, all the, all the, um, manpower, like, you know, me going from one base to another, it's all under the auspices of the black project.
Yeah.
Fetus was.
You know, you, you're being told what to do and then you do it.
You're actually trained not to ask questions or not to give any type of pushback or anything.
So, so there are levels of need to know access and compartmentalization.
And so he told me that there would be some future event where the ability to intuitively communicate would help the military and help, you know, command and control and, and all that.
It was like meet at a telephone booth or something?
No, it was, uh, I got a call.
I, I, I, um, I don't think I ever did anything in my pants, but it was close.
And I also was also very paranoid about going, you know, before going, I would always, you know, be on the toilet, like, you know, definitely before I went because I definitely did not want to have a problem.
Do you then sense, oh my God, this sort of, you know, wave that's going the sine wave.
I now have mental control over it.
like we're saying the same thing yeah probably you're told that you uh need to be taking pills
every day you're doing this yeah it's two pills is that right initially it was two pills in the
and they knew so very little that it was very easy to be coherent because there was not much to it you
know and this is actually i think you said at the book this guy's name was sergeant larson is that right
that area of my brain right there whoa and it's like a colorful tapestry and you have you can focus
on this over here you can focus right here you can focus right here you can focus over here you can
up and i was like okay this is where i'm communicating right now i'm communicating this tapestry that's
the only way i can really voc vocalize the visualization do you remember which parts of your
no no there was i couldn't i couldn't localize it yeah you know but i could tell that it's in a certain
area whoa yeah yeah so somehow more of a discrete area than yeah the general i felt it it's more of
a feel than it is a scene but it you could feel that it's coming from a certain area did it feel
more foreign than your thought like did your do your thoughts feel like yours and these thoughts felt
like others yeah it felt like it was external from the kind of when compared to your own thoughts yeah
it wasn't external it didn't feel it didn't really feel external it was here i know but
but compared to your own thoughts it feels very foreign and very different so what happens next so i
started uh getting communications started receiving them i pop up the the window and i would start typing
the whatever i was interpreting at receiving and um at first it was just numbers it was um it was the idea
i don't remember whether i correlated it with that or not but i remember looking that up and seeing that
we don't know do we maybe we don't even know it's a he yeah yeah well i think that
place that's unique or has some equipment that might be good for alien communications or well
um the project that i worked on i mean other than um project preserve destiny the black project was a
you know read in as far as security clearances and for that place it took like i don't know 30 days
stay in the local area when you have a 30 day uh hiatus anyway yes i so my clarence's got um is finally
went from from where we were before and so you know we kind of had a nice friendly back and forth and
so this is the guy pseudonymously named captain white or uh yeah whoever was the captain i i i can't
25 50 people something like that in our detachment very everybody knew one another it was very
that um he he implied we have a soul he said that there are two intel there are two creations
intelligent and non-intelligent and like plants were part of the non-intelligent and we and them were
yeah um thank you for reminding me of that uh yes um he said there were a lot like um i got the
impression that it was a silly question like like of course there's there's more speed this entire
universe and you think we're the only two yeah so i got that impression did you ask if they have genders
you know in their race or their lifespans were um they do have female and male they have a different
um they don't they don't procreate exactly like we do um but they do have a a dual a dual sex type of
um situation and um and yes they he said they do eliminate waste
um and i i sensed a little bit of a humor with that yeah which was funny because here's two
different species and you talk about waste and you get humor yeah in both cases which is that's
talking about you're surfing kind of a space-time wave yeah yeah you you create a void in front of
you and you fall into that void and you keep creating the void yes bob lazar also says similar
was uh 30. yeah around 30. it's definitely the prime of your life yeah well i believe you asked the first
i remember feeling a sense of warmth i i did i didn't feel the impact but i don't i don't think i felt it
personhood um and of course the sr 71 pilot he really encouraged me to go in the air force and um
um um i have this uh in my the update of my book which i did in 2008 or something like that i have
reason i did it i i had a blog um back in the early 2000s and i put on there that i don't usually say
stuff because my blog was about entrepreneurial stuff and things like that but i i did put in there i
know when the tv was on because when my dad would because we had an older tv and and the sound
wouldn't come on with it it would it would be one of those tube tvs you know the big tubes in the
bitterness towards this you're in the prime of your life you're 30 years old you know that you have all this
them to do it or they got a call or i don't know but you got a call from a random number that wasn't
in your phone well this was but phone probably didn't even have the number you weren't even saving
existence or non-existence of such a project standard answer standard answer if you're
harrow the all domain anomalies resolution office okay and the current uh head of that it was a former
nsa director i don't think he was like the director but he was like a director level or whatever
but i do think we're going to get more incontrovertible evidence uh over the next you know couple of
decades well we've gotten prior to that yeah i mean it's inevitable to uh at some point other things are
going to come out i mean you can't really keep stuff like that hidden forever yeah it's just not
it's not practical um but to the extent that we do get information it's going to be it's going to be
a fun time that's for sure i agree well cheers to that and dan thank you so much for thank you
taking the time it really means a lot and i know you really never do this so the fact that you responded
to me means so much and entrusted me with this uh and uh yeah i think uh people will be really
amazed at the the story but also how you tell the story and how just kind of non nonplussed in a
refreshing way you are yeah i want to thank your uh your crew here they're a good crew oh yeah they're
great agreed i want to thank dan sherman for his time here and to you the audience for making it to