to finally meet you thank you you too man we're in the age of disclosure huh we are we are it's uh
that's the the age of disclosure the age where all this stuff comes out and uh the truth comes out in
in in steps yeah how did this whole documentary start out for you so it's a kind of long origin
fire in the sky yeah you know we're making we're getting a lot of attention and i remember uh my
cousins and i watching watching fire in the sky uh uh late at night scared the crap out of us but
also made us super curious about this topic and so my my whole life uh just been interested in the
topic um these big questions like are we alone in the universe does the u.s government know more about
government do in fact know more than the public the idea would be to find that out right and no one
watching steven spielberg direct and in my opinion is the greatest filmmaker that's ever lived and
watching him direct was just unbelievably inspiring and i started i started thinking then in the back
after ready player one came out and uh in doing research i was trying to i was trying to learn how how
um in that that had worked on this topic for the u.s government and um started having just private
realized uh how real the situation actually is and and these ideas that were put in our heads when we
there has in fact been a massive cover-up of non-human intelligent life and the government does take
it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um
would think about it they would come back and say you know what i i think i'd be interested in
is in that same moment um senior leadership on the senate intelligence committee and the senate
armed services committee had on their own in a classified setting uncovered this mass this
they didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation right and so i was sort of in the
and so something really wild happened which is basically there was this moment in time where
saying uh you know who's who in the zoo you know like all the all the different players and all this and
um and then making it um doing interviews uh over the course of three years uh yeah in the beginning when
you said you were meeting with some intelligence officials that were sort of like guiding you in the right
publicly how many of them that those original intelligence people you were talking about were in the movie
you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process
intelligent life right um his story is pretty amazing he's really the central figure in uh the
modern investigation of uap and non-human intelligent life and and frankly in disclosure he um he in a
of uap that eventually became known as a tip um there was this moment in time where osap essentially
he was one of the people on jay's team um was he in the film yeah he was in the film was there's some
there's some there's some footage of him in the film yeah his his uh here no wait he didn't do any
interviews yeah we didn't do a direct interview but but i had um i already knew i had him in the film
liked having the uh the hearing footage in there i think it makes people there's a lot of people
so much stuff that he was saying in front of congress was nutty yeah yeah and there's a lot
see it in their social media feed oh there was this hearing and ufos but it doesn't really
branches to shake to yeah him and him and him and him and some other people yeah in the film there was
there was about there was about four or five guys who were really guiding me in the early days and then
and all the different intelligence agencies in the military and learn everything and be hyper aware of
everything and he was a central figure in rubio and and and warner figuring out what was going on and
really helpful once once rubio decided to participate in the film and other senior senators like senator rounds
from south dakota senator gillibrand from new york from the democratic party um once they leaned in then
introduced me to a number of the people who did interviews in the film i feel like that would make
talk to and who not to talk to i'm automatically the wheels in my head are going whoa well it wasn't
like indisputably legitimate people in my film were introduced to me by the senate intel committee i mean
there's certain you know think about it like the people in my film are all they have the most credible
way for the truth to come out and we encourage you to participate in this you know so yeah if you've
game changer and you can spread your brand's word with their built-in marketing and email tools don't
off the scent of what's really going on like the fact that this guy was living in new mexico or nevada
he was seeing aliens from another world when in reality it was just their own technology that they
were coming here and they knew that this guy was a big deal in mufon and they knew mufon this was in
soviets were trying to get more in information and intelligence on what we what we had going on in our
you know you got to realize the role that that storyline plays in a bigger picture right why is
russians as real right right because the answer is because there is in fact a high-stakes secret
they're not whistleblowers a couple of the people who have come out in in a big way in the public to
them because um at the time there was a there was a in those in those situations there was either a
impact in that it opened a lot of people's eyes inside a government who didn't necessarily realize
that you know and um in the in the weeks since uh his two of his cabinet members pete exit the secretary
what i got from the documentary was in the 40s after roswell all this stuff got sucked up into private
contractors and it's been being controlled by private contractors and people have rotated in and out of
top level positions over the decades and now the new people that come in don't even get briefed on this
in the government so the government there's like the secret war between the u.s government and private
very much involved with the defense contractors but you know in my film rubio breaks down how
it or fully understand it um there's just not a room for those engineers sitting in an office at
within the cia the air force and the department of energy that are very much involved in this and so
um everyone in my film that talked about this this this hidden program uh referred to as the
congressional oversight when it started in the 40s and so the tug of war really is elected officials
that's happening in because all the other countries the government just controls everything there are
for me from my interviews and in the film which is you know rubio also expresses this really clearly
tell them it's important like she can just take the smartest scientists in china and say you're going
articulated it in a way that the same kind of way you would articulate the importance of this topic
the us lead in in this new frontier so we can make sure that it's used for the betterment of all mankind
interviewed um told me this isn't something we got into in the film but um multiple people told me that
that in the past there was information sharing between china and the us excuse me sorry russia and
strategizing but many people told me about um information sharing um back in the day between
right as an attack right and they were happening all over the place not just in the us they're
happening in russia yeah uk yeah all over the place yeah what do you think have you has anyone ever
president any any politicians in the united states have that kind of power i think there's a i think
stainless steel with the convenience of non-stick all-in-one pan no peeling junk coatings off your
and 50 000 five-star reviews the secret is out there's a reason gordon ramsey uses hex clad in his
home and in his restaurants and everything comes with a lifetime warranty this is cookware built to last
they because they were either you know senior in the military or in the government and and just
what they know um the one that always stays in my head is uh is a uh someone who's um part of the
and then ultimately uh he used very specific words that have stayed in my head he ultimately told me
if he participated in the film and i always thought the use of the word forfeiting was very specific and
word choice you know um but uh you know put yourself in my shoes man like i i had i immediately was
like well of course i definitely do not want you or me in any situation remotely like that you know
you know right um don't want to be in some crazy dangerous situation um you know there's there's a lot
on the other side of that line because what what's revealed in my film is shocking you know people
know non-human bodies being in these crashes and um talking about the extent of the cover-up uh it's
you know one of the most interesting things to me about the the grays that you see in close
encounters and in all the media lore is that they're they're bipedal upright walking hominids
this issue the him and some of his colleagues in in on the house side of congress that are really on
about it uh how does he know that multiple leaders um in the navy in the u.s navy you know
miles right um there was one that was that was tracked in aguadilla right in puerto rico that they
happening in our oceans and in space where you're not flying right right and so unidentified anomalous
gate kept this since the 40s they created the stigma around this topic in the late 40s early 50s
stigma is a couple of officials in my film talk about how this stigma that was created originally
behind in this technology race because our scientific community doesn't even know it's real as a result
of the stigma so big a big mission for people in my film when when i talk to them you know off camera
about why why what was driving them to want to participate in the film one of the big reasons
stigma you know and the stigma led to you know jay stratton talks in the film about how uh when you try to
know if uh for so many stories of high level navy fighter pilots who see something in the air that's
this bullshit you know and so they weaponize it dude there's a crazy a great um story in annie
jet propelled airplanes in i forget what year it was super early uh they would send the cia test
pilots up with gorilla masks in the cockpits so in the case they got into visual distance with a
so you talk in the movie you hear about the legacy program you hear other people talk about the legacy
is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the
thousands and thousands of employees yeah and so someone reveals in my film that it's the head of
energy uh that really run the legacy program's interest in this that's my understanding of the
one big program in one inside of one umbrella underneath one company or is it multiple companies
um is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on um technology
involved in the nuclear process ranging from nuclear weapons sites to uranium mines to you know processing
insight people who were i mean those those meetings were interesting they'd be in person and be told to leave
i didn't because um a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that uh those folks you know
literally had the door slammed in his face wow yeah and another crazy thing is a lot of these people
at cia who are in charge of science and technology or other levels of cia spookiness they all end up in
and as a number of the officials in my film say um there's been a misappropriation of funds you know
that's been gleamed you know um it's a lot of money out there in the world you know um
is that all of these folks who have been involved in covering this up they've they've all had their
with in the cia that have touched this over the years likely they would honestly say that they think
they're doing the right thing you know that they think yeah sure we are in a uh we are in a technology
and literally say everything we know and don't know like that's pretty stupid when we're in it when
we're in a race with adversaries but i think the base facts that we're not alone in the universe
that the us government has in fact retrieved technology of non-human origin that adversaries
have as well and that we are in this technology race those base facts can be comfortably shared and
people involved in gatekeeping this yeah that it's the it's the race we're in with adversaries that
they worry about so if you look at the the technology it these crafts are it's revealed in my film how
to to that area whichever way they're achieving creating this much energy in a localized area
they're warping space time in a localized area they're creating um with the scientists in my film
it it allows it to do things um that you know this is kind of what bob lazar described right in his
film he did he did describes yeah it allowed it allows the craft to operate in a way that looks like
physics as we understand it yeah it's just in its own space time yeah um but the reason i just went
this technology exists and that it has been cracked yes it could as you said solve the energy crisis in
destruction in the blink of an eye and that's a terrifying thought and so see how it's it's not black it's not a black
or white situation yes it could solve the energy crisis but you know a bad actor in his garage could
know again the people who have been involved in this would say that's the only reason you need to just
some of the people that are on the boards of these private industry companies also like own a huge stake in
literally be a bad actor in your garage in middle america and you could make something as destructive as
you could yeah or do you want this ending up in the hands of like terrorists like you know imagine
close encounters and et and interest in this would like to know the truth and and and learn about it all
are you did you follow that at all yeah it was all these people that were like in line to go in front
of congress or give their testimony just like you know killing themselves by shooting themselves in the
head five times it's horrible it's crazy it's really horrible drinking in your 20s and drinking
in your 30s are two very different experiences back then a few drinks was no problem these days
dhm which works while you sleep to help smooth out that rebound effect in your brain and cysteine
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scientist who's been involved in a lot of highly classified programs dealing with uap and other
where he ultimately comes out on it as a guy who's been around this topic for decades and is in his 80s now
he ultimately comes out thinking that we need to make it a humanitarian issue in the same way that
the truth about all this could could could in in theory unite humanity it could make it could make
all of humanity realize that we have more in common than than than we have differences right and um
how to deal with it um now look that might just not be in the cards that might not be possible the dynamics
um in my opinion the most interesting time to be alive because some some some amount of the truth
is is coming out right now you know my film makes it clear that there has in fact been a cover-up of
put this uh disclosure directive in motion and so it's it's playing out right now we'll we'll see you
in the intelligence community that's in my film um told me that um
um when when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program
idea of how they could weaponize it uh yeah i mean if you you know as described in the film you know you
create a bubble and if you warp space time in a localized area you can create a bubble around anything a craft
if you can travel great distances in the blink of an eye then
game and people's you know gamemanship will come in and geopolitics will come in and i think
at least now the ufo topic in general i don't think it's stigmatized anymore it's completely out of the bag
in the coffin for the stigma we all know everybody knows ufos are real you can't watch that film and
of that you know like where where does that move to next the the thing is when there is this gap in
in the intelligence and military communities that all have different views on this stuff like there's
people that are in the military and in intelligence and in higher levels of government who think that
don't give when the when the people in charge don't give a definitive analysis yeah they just sort
kennedy's speech and say you know the moon the thing up in the sky there we're gonna go there
they would laugh at you and be like that sounds crazy you know like in the context of that time
it probably sounds crazy right right but then a president you know and other leaders in the country
under under the ice in arcan we'd have no idea we're we're in a little bubble you know i mean it
recovered them it's tangible technology and in some cases there's been non-human beings in these crafts
and um you know the other thing is you know they say people say it in my film but uh
i think in this age of disclosure we're living and i think we will eventually get to some of that stuff
got a 4k camera in their pocket yeah everyone has a 4k camera in their pocket but it's the same reason
why everyone with a 4k camera in their pocket can't get clear video of fish under the ocean from above
heard from folks that i've had on this podcast who are like the most tapped in dorkiest ufo dorks
under there's there's this pro um this agency called the i think it's the u in r or nro something it's
somewhere in like the north atlantic or whatever of like an incoming something really fast like the
duck inside this metal tube in the middle of the ocean yeah i mean think back to you know for rough
mean i've you know for example that um in my film one of the one of the interview subjects
was a air force security guard at vanderburg air force base on the california coast i live in
in alaska exactly it was it was a missile site that he was guarding was not a nuclear weapon site
there in awe staring at this thing processing this uh he said there was no lights no windows no visual
you know there was also the guy bob jacobs who bob jacobs is in the film he talked about they were
interviewed in the film as well he was a he was a cameraman for the air force his job was to film
told you know never to talk about it and and you know essentially like wow dude threatened in a way um
and how did they use nukes to try to like bait the ufos in yeah so that's one of the really fascinating
things um that my interview subject shared and um a long time ago they realized folks involved in
covering this up in the legacy program and in other you know areas like the navy uh they they they
that would attract uap and lower them in and um then they could collect data and get get uh get
information that would help them in their technology race i do believe that my understanding is some
lines were crossed where they also cause some of these crashes they would lower them in and they would
super complicated situation you know sort of damned if you do damned if you don't in any part of this whole
of my relationships in the government right now that um some of the intelligence officials
luring these things in in the past and that they had figured out how to do that and these intelligence
saw with their own eyes uap um i was told this in confidence uh by a couple people within the last
shake those trees and in that process apparently um some of them were given a demonstration on how
uap can be lured on how to lure them in yeah and apparently saw with their own eyes which was a game
drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so
you could put a nuclear submarine in a certain area and nearby it you could put um another vessel with a
his colleagues had about how these things could be lured in how they how um how elements of our
ago it was i want to say the 90s maybe i could be wrong could be in the 2000s um who said that he was
working in the military somewhere in the remote jungles of indonesia or something yeah i remember
indoctrinated into western society into the technological world that we live in here people
consciously control the ufos wow sounds crazy there was a guy that jesse michaels had in his podcast who
was there to red team michael herrera when he did his press thing and uh he said he he was going in
that particular event in the jungle other than what you know i've read on my once michael started sharing
evidence of it uh that's been declassified uh dr hal putoff who's in my film who's very involved in the
video evidence or a craft landing you know in time square and non-human intelligent life walking out
you know short of that level of in your face evidence the best we can really hope for is extremely
weight in things said by people who fit that description you know and um whether that's you
that they have as leverage to earn more money in different private organizations oh yeah yeah so yeah
go in the work in the private sector they work for a big defense contractor or you know or they work for
right and so no one who spoke on camera in my film and revealed these extraordinary truths
he said these extraordinary things in my film did he get laughed out of dc no he got escalated
he got escalated to the second most powerful guy in the world our secretary of state interest
and our national security advisor you know there's only one time in american history that one person
um number of the people in my film are are actively working uh in the private sector using their their
in the only way he could that's what i think i think he's a guy who's in his 80s he's been at the
agencies he's never publicly revealed anything on this topic but he agreed to participate in my film
and play a role in disclosure and he shared what he could and it was pretty significant actually um
is in fact real it's not conspiracy it's not nonsense it is a real situation
they did in fact have a program to actively investigate uap so he unveiled the air force's
actual role in all this their hidden role and he i think did a big service to the public and to
sensationalized so much you know in movies and tv shows that i think most people don't think it's real
and i think here here here was a guy putting his credibility on the line late in life to say that
like he got a weight off his chest yeah when he said that and um i think he was at a place in life
yeah yeah he is you know and and and yeah he's been caught up in some um you know political
believe but like what what would he get out of line yeah what would what would a guy in his 80s
get out of going and participating in this film that he knows is all about disclosure he knew in
would make it no no especially when you add in context that like i alone would have like the the
people watching my film wouldn't have his wife was in the hospital dying like in her in her final weeks
with personally i reached out and said hey you know if it's not the right time in life it's it's it's all
did jay get you in touch with clapper um no okay no i just think it's you know it's important to keep
in mind some of that stuff the history of these people you know because even if somebody is a
doesn't always mean in fact almost never means they're going to tell you the truth
were spying on american citizens yeah look i do think that you know if he had lied in the past
right if you study his body language in the doc that's that's the impression i get
he's getting up there in age man you know a lot of these people are look at his face in the film
when he i did i did after he says the area 51 line you could tell there was other people in the room
you know what what would be what would be the the narrative if all 34 people in this film
very skeptical if it all fit together perfectly you know and it was like bow tied up and wrapped up in
real disclosure when in fact it's a completely separate narrative from what they think it really
in the 40s and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country right and um
make money you know if someone had cracked a new energy source in the 40s i think they would have used
it to become the most valuable company on the planet none of the defense contractors are even in the top
hundred most valuable companies in america much less the world really yeah yeah not northrop and
major defense contractors um are in the top ten corporations yeah that's cap wise i don't think the
with that but so if look if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s my point is i think
i think they would have used it in other ways i don't think that technology would there's no there's
not in the top 10 most valuable companies globally by market capitalization as of 2016 while firms like
revenue uh they are smaller in market valuation compared to tech giants such as apple microsoft
i spoke to says that uh some of those defense contractors listed there are involved in this yeah
this technology for that long i think they are involved in reverse engineering it now and i think
they're making massive breakthroughs and maybe some of them are finally like there already in their black
ii would have ended a lot quicker you know like would we have stayed in world war ii right no that's
energy in a localized area and create these little crafts that flew within you know bright bubbles of
a number of the people involved in first off jay stratton ran the investigation of the tic tac for
20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the
about this one thing right so much so that in the movie uh when james earl jones the head of the cia
gets a satellite photo of a submarine in russia that he doesn't recognize and they wonder what it is
air and space technology and that is why he ended up in this investigation of uap and non-human
on a nuclear base of a triangle craft hovering above a nuclear weapon site and moving in ways that nothing
does and so they asked him you know please tell us this is one of ours he had been read in on all the black
he was read in on those so that he could identify things that are ours versus things that are
be there has to be intelligent life teaming go back go back to tic tac if in 2004 if if let's say
that was lockheed martin technology all right if lockheed martin in 2004 had technology that could go
right if they had technology that could go from sea level to space in like the blink of an eye and then
publicly public they're not even in the top 100 market cap in the united states much less the world
i've thought about this from every angle if they had that technology in 2004 even if it was highly
to any other defense contractor but in reality they did unless every year they did unless there was a
you'd be you'd be sitting on the biggest technological breakthrough in the history of humanity
or nobody knows what you really have except for a very small group of people where's the value so in
this conspiracy theory the only way there would be any merit to it is if there was leadership in the
government that that knew this because if they didn't if if lockheed had tick tech technology in
2004 and no one in the government knew it why would they keep it classified
only and they had actually cracked this technology in 04 and it was theirs it wouldn't they wouldn't it
wouldn't be classified they would monetize it they become the wealthiest company in the history of
to monetize it i'm sure there'd be more power in keeping it secret if they were developing something
that they bought were involved in the legacy program early on i've been told same with northrop grumman
that line of thought if that was the case then if that was the case and it led to in 2004
somewhere know about it right and so does lockheed in that dynamic i personally believe lockheed would have
and not be at least in the top 10 market cap by the way i own lockheed martin stock it'd be amazing
defense contractors are in the us right i think i think those are the companies that our military
generation technology and i think that they have been involved and utilized in the legacy programs
technology that's secret that nobody in the public knows about yeah for sure for sure and i think they
reverse engineering this stuff in recent years that's what i think but i do not think that you know
people seeing this stuff in like antiquity you know sailors on ships seeing these giant balls of
reverse engineered craft out there i think china and russia are neck and neck in a high stakes race
and they're both making progress yeah i think um you know in the film until those officials refer
i do not think that we we cracked that kind of technology back then one of the scientists in
there was a lot of anti-gravity research going on in the united states specifically around the
university of north carolina chapel hill in the 50s lots of physicists were like on the cusp and and
projects in the 50s who knows what they could have figured out by now certainly some i'm sorry it's
you take like um you know all the missing money in the u.s government where rumsfeld said right before
we just honed in on u.s defense contractors and did they have that and my my thesis is no and if they
are heavily invested in our current technologies and have been involved in reverse engineering stuff
there is um non-government non-contractor money involved in this and i never really got got any
involved in this that we that we don't know about yet but um
and um he ended up on a mission in the middle east and came back and he had an illness and long very
long story short they they they identified a parasite in his brain and he had he had a brain surgery to
while laying stationary he went somewhere else like he saw it all in his mind's eye like he felt like he
was his medical records and his education records and then shockingly he found enlistment paperwork in the
like a made-up document what is this date he was in yeah can you say it or no i probably shouldn't i
probably should keep those details so this so this this this guy in in real life scott is um someone i was
introduced to um from someone in my film and he is writing a tell-all memoir right now and simon and
out but his full story is in this and i've uh got to know him and his wife and his kids and spent a lot
of time with them and it is just the most bombshell singular story i've ever heard in my life and um
not only did he find enlistment paperwork uh in the u.s air force but he also found his discharge
um in those records was um was um his excused absences from school for weeks at a time he
level intelligence official friends um he found his life in jeopardy and there were a couple attempts
gave him a biological effect that's yeah gave him this ability to somehow use his mind in a way that
we're you know average people don't um maybe it just like turned on something that's in all of us already
show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah
rendalsham when people say rendalsham it's really referring to the rendalsham forest in the uk right
there was a there was a joint military uk base there in the 80s it was called um i think it was called raf
it was a joint uk us base at the time in the 80s it had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in europe
simply put there was a joint uk military base in this area of the english countryside and um at the
security guards and the base commander went out and saw these things in the woods around the base and
and um there's a number of people who have had encounters on bases who then were promptly um put in a room
so look the air force and the cia's role in this is is well well documented people have been talking about
know it in the documentary the phenomenon which james fox directed i had the opportunity to be one of
james did an amazing job of of covering that story in a little section at the end of the film
yeah um there was a school in uh in south africa yeah in rural south africa yeah and it was a
whose um parents were working in south africa for some reason and uh so it wasn't it wasn't like local
100 something kids out in the backyard playing they ranged in age i think it was like 6 to 12 or
in the in the field that had landed and beings telepathically communicating and all these kids
seem to move in weird ways like almost like a blur and they described them telepathically communicating
footage of one of these young girls yeah like six or seven saying in her in her kid vocabulary she says
in my film in the age of disclosure about how the technology works if a craft came down and it had a bubble around it
that and and beings got out of the craft but they were still in the bubble it would look like they're
moving in slow motion like these kids described because they're in a different space time right
the head of the bbc south africa who was stationed in south africa and heard about this extra member's
hardened you know journey as a serious journalist he wanted to like bring in some kind of expert to tell
psychiatry in the united states at the time his name was john mack so he calls him he tells him about
um towards the end of his process and i was able to play a role in helping get the movie out there and
crazy because he was just interviewing random everyday people in this like bumfuck town in brazil
yeah and then they all talk about these like all these like military people in brazil are afraid
and like like stories of men in black the u.s air force plane landing carting this thing off and then
of the biological effects to civilians in that area um people that got zapped by uh this uap
in this event this this specific event um the the brazilian military did a massive investigation of it
of the us government that have been covering this up the folks involved in legacy program you know likely
had had a role in covering it up and just you know sure making sure it never never made it to the public um
talking about it on podcasts like yeah um in the past there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it
military to go all the way to i communicated with a alien in a hospital telepathically like that's
it's pretty much in like the zeitgeist now in common in in america at least but like i feel
right it could be in a follow-up film it could be in a spin-off um it could be in something else i do um
that was enough you know yeah and i actually had um in one uh cut of the movie i did have a little like
one of the wild things i learned was that as people involved in investigating this
them they started looking into non-human intelligent life in uap for the government and all of a sudden
they were having activity at their houses orbs in their homes in front of their wives in some cases
crafts like straight up ufos within eyesight of their homes um that's covered in a lot of my interviews
and i ended up putting it into like a three or four minute scene in an early cut of the movie and when
and and believed betrayal and every single time it was that sequence it was that sequence in the film
what they're saying in this scene and it was just something about these people sharing their own
personal experience that happened in their own home that becomes a bridge too far for people yeah
the interesting things in the film is rubio and clapper we talked about two guys we talked about today
they both say in the film they talk about how it's difficult for people to wrap their head around
it's something in the human psyche yeah that does that and that's actually something that they are
experienced it yet and rubio makes points about um there being several examples of that blowing up in
commercial airplanes and use it against us in a terror stack yeah until they did and we never you
and then sometimes that leads to a strategic surprise that as he says in the film could change the course of
people witnessed with them and then in the coming days had subsequent events when they were off the
homes yeah or not necessarily those cases the new open stories were actually not homes it happened in
and i didn't i didn't include this in the film but i did say i have it maybe i'll maybe i'll
few draws of uh dvds in alphabetical order like like a lunatic that's awesome um but uh
was no longer where it was in front of the the uh the nuke um site he was now at the bottom of a
just there it had been relocated and he came to and his partner was still basically catatonic in shock
and he called in saying saying where they were and you know as crazy as it was he's like this is where
guy and he had a very similar story that went down on a different base in a different decade and then
the aftermath was like almost exactly the same him and his he that guy was um in another vehicle he had
investigation cia asking the questions and then um one of them was shipped to a base on in japan
they're like going back in their mind these memories you could feel how much it like stresses them out
one had he could see in the corner's eye had what looked like like a cattle prod like a device in
yeah yeah there's all this overlap in these stories and you know a lot of them um a lot of them happened in
um in different they happened in different years and like the circumstances um
these guys to me is these guys were trusted enough to work on nuclear weapons bases they were placed in
the cold war they have to be proven psychologically sound yeah to be in charge of those places and i
think like if we put ourselves in the context of history like during the cold war there would have
not just for people who are already completely immersed in this topic and interested in it you
serious situation and i do feel like that mission was accomplished um especially in how it led to
massive impact on people yeah the average person you know when i think about like my folks in jersey in
you know or they'll doze off or they'll watch it you could have done it in like three parts or something
like you can do that you can you can accomplish that mission in under two hours you can watch this
um not only uh to become interested in this topic because of movies like et and close encounters
and close encounters i remember reading about how he made uh short films as a kid in like middle school
then his friends would be in them um his family members would be in them and so i was inspired to
you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh
you know mowing lawns in the summer um to buy uh a camera super eight camera a 16 millimeter camera
edited these little short films that my neighborhood buddies would would would star in one of my best
film i made where two buddies of mine uh phil and dan they they rob a 7-eleven and it's like in the movie
in this little short and it's just like a it's like a heist little three minute heist right and
counters like i think it's like probably freshman year in high school yeah the cops came in and they'd
participate in this police chase in my short film and the guy did it he did it and i sped up the film
really fast and he's peeling around corners in our little suburban jersey neighborhood that's absolutely
car chase or i'd get like the local emts the ambulances to like you know show up in a scene
started in 2010 a year before the book came out and then the book came out and became this big you
point in uh spring of 2015 we had a draft that we all loved and the studio loved and we needed a
pre-production end of 15 we shot in 6 16 in the uk in the english countryside uh warner has a studio
called leavesden and it's about an hour hour and a half out of out of london and we shot there in 2016
and then it was in post-production throughout all of 2017 and um then it came out march of 2018
disclosure was done we also premiered it in the exact same slot sunday afternoon opening weekend of
south by southwest film festival and we premiered in the same theater the paramount theater in austin
yeah being on stage introducing the movie well i have this memory of sitting in the audience
watching spielberg introduce ready player one in the same same place into that's pretty incredible
dude yeah yeah what's even weirder like kind of a glitch in the matrix um it was uh south by southwest
new movie coming out yeah he's got he's got he's got disclosure date coming out in june and i think
close encounters as a kid and et as a kid led to me having this lifelong interest in eventually making
you get especially in this day and age where everyone's so add and looking at a million things
on their social media scrolls like movies or those is like you know in rare air in that like you get
a powerful force of movie i think and so especially when you like really have to invest in it you know
like when you had to get in the car drive there go sit down you know buy your popcorn buy your soda
anymore it's kind of sad because that's like you're you're so locked in when you're when you're there
and you're you're that invested in it you've committed that much time to doing it and now it's
know for a guy who's the most successful person in the history of hollywood right yeah uh he was
it was it was an um i mean put yourself in my shoes man i mean literally my favorite filmmaker since i was
it felt like a kid in a candy store and um but he was very cool and um i remember actually uh
one day uh early on in making that movie um myself and uh ernie klein were in in the lunch line with
passed away he actually lived in my hometown um he played the head of the cia and he he has that
redborn is the tall guy uh white hair he was in the talented mr ripley he's in a lot of movies he was
in the game remember the game michael douglas oh that's an amazing movie by the way the game
there's all these line items in dod's budget that actually go towards something else that's like that's
wow they're just hiding it all in fucking movies i gotta go back and watch that movie it's a really
special forces guy who had been in involved in a uap event and it's a long story but the the summary is
and the recovery was happening and this this guy was in the water uh with a couple of his colleagues
connecting the missile and there was a helicopter floating above them there's a few of these guys in
was just there they look up they're freaking out people in the chopper are freaking out and apparently
it whoa yeah and then it took off um and these guys were just swimming in the water yeah yeah oh my god
a good idea to stay in the atmospheres because the atmospheres are the atmospheres are so volatile
the the there's volcanoes asteroids comets all kinds of shit you can't predict in the atmosphere
the exact temperature and pressure and if you had the ability to warp space-time in a localized area
time with this topic right like he clearly had some insight in the 70s when he made close encounters
that movie in the theater oh yeah yeah 100 bro yeah i think he i think he had i think he had real
consultants um in the same way that you know before i made the age disclosure i formed relationships with
what source that came from this is just something that's kind of like a story that's out there in
the here's the story about spielberg and et um can you zoom in a little bit in the new interview
your movie and then he looked around the room and said and there are a number of people in this room
who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true spielberg remembered wow in
that you know most people either don't know happened or forgot about i put i put it in my film in the
planet right and how it will help us um see more of what we have in common yeah differences we'll think of
yeah but the wild thing about that is like put yourself in his shoes he's the president united
that i didn't end up including in the film simply because there wasn't time or like what they talked
about there wasn't like an organic way to get to it in the context of the doc it would have felt like a
since some some form but one of them was a former nsa guy who was involved in um reagan's star wars
the concern about uap coming in and out of our atmosphere was one of the motivations for the
had had learned how real the situation was now it's revealed in my film that most u.s presidents are
kept in the dark on this they're not told the truth and that they're told the base facts i think
on their own figured out the rest but they're largely just kept kept in the dark yeah but yeah reagan
and then bush the other the other one who has a big role we talked about in the film is um
read in on this he was not told the truth about the crash retrieval and reverse engineering program
think tank we talked about it in my film one of the people who participated in the think tank is dr hal
pudoff who's in my film he tells the story about how he and i think he said like a dozen other people from
various uh parts of society scientists um people from finance um were put in a room basically and told that
of things right and they all went in he said they all went into it thinking this was going to be a
participated in this and this was an actual process that happened in our lifetime which is wild you know
knew what was going on in the world and this was happening in a room secretly in dc that's crazy
interesting year we are we are 100 living in in the age of disclosure that is that is for sure um i do
gonna make is um i'm having some high level conversations with folks in government about
in like we've talked about a few of them that could be on their own standalone docs like deep dives
down a specific situation that happened in the same way that james did that great film
in my lifetime yeah we will and thank thank you for putting uh shining a light on this topic man i mean