it's a wild time to be alive you know that is uh that's why i went with that title um you know
many years and um you know when we look back 50 years from now it'll be this little pocket of time
i was obsessed with that movie um x files was running on tv when i was a kid and movies like
topic um these big questions like are we alone in the universe does the u.s government know more about
life from elsewhere um but elements of the u.s government have been covering it up um so i've
years and um i always wished that someone would make a really credible serious non-sensational
ever made that film um my career ended up going into mainstream producing um i had a lot of uh
up like big commercial stuff um the biggest that people know would be ready player one yeah which
spielberg directed um and then uh it was uh yeah it was on the set of uh ready player one
that might be um and uh i was uh i was actually doing research for a scripted project um a couple years
um in that that had worked on this topic for the u.s government and um started having just private
it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um
that originally were research for for a scripted project like i said um uh i started to realize that
um these people that i had formerly would be that i formed relationships with would be great
that thing that i direct to and so um it's sort of like the the origin and then um
um and really kind of open the public's eyes to what's really been going on and uh as i started
to as i started to socialize that um it started to catch momentum you know one i would i would have
couple of their friends and sort of sent me down a rabbit hole um eventually i started getting
um same thing with the senate armed services committee and what i didn't know then that i know now
is in that same moment um senior leadership on the senate intelligence committee and the senate
the congress the white house um and the public and um they were trying to figure out a way to get the
information and i spent about three and a half years putting this together um both uh learning the lay of the land
um and then making it um doing interviews uh over the course of three years uh yeah in the beginning when
a number of them most of them most of them most of like who um so for example uh jay stratton okay
you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process
of retiring from government when i met him um at the at the time he was the director of the u.s
intelligent life right um his story is pretty amazing he's really the central figure in uh the
modern investigation of uap and non-human intelligent life and and frankly in disclosure he um he in a
of uap that eventually became known as a tip um there was this moment in time where osap essentially
um after that um he was tasked by uh leadership and naval intelligence and um and at the dod to put
and he spent a couple years building it handpicking key members um some of your some of your listeners
you know have heard some of those names like david crush who testified um to congress he was
uh a member of the uap task force um yeah he was that was a big deal when he came out yeah yeah so
he was one of the people on jay's team um was he in the film yeah he was in the film was there's some
interviews yeah we didn't do a direct interview but but i had um i already knew i had him in the film
through his congressional hearings where he was right saying that the most important stuff so um and i i
and then um once i got connected with the senate intelligence committee specifically
um i formed a really strong relationship with the the guys who run the senate intelligence committee
staff so most people don't know this actually it's really interesting so um the senate intelligence
uncovering this this truth um and learning all the reality of it um so i formed i formed a
from south dakota senator gillibrand from new york from the democratic party um once they leaned in then
bullshit you know um that i don't end up uh misunderstanding the lay of the land and presenting it
um they i i shared with them people i was considering interviewing sometimes they would say hey you
should you know stay clear of that person um sometimes they would guide me to people they
community um would make up a story like that to try to have it end up as you said received by the
um talk about this topic and reveal something they learned something specific they experienced or saw
um have this it's the same backstory you know they they did they did experience that but it was staged for
them because um at the time there was a there was a in those in those situations there was either a
russian or a chinese um uh unit of spies that that that were were being fed information through this
this public spectacle like like the paul thing um so look i think the reality of it is uh everyone i
all this and then the people who had already realized it um are are are taking that new interest
that you know and um in the in the weeks since uh his two of his cabinet members pete exit the secretary
when you give technology to a private company like a defense contractor um to understand it which is
it or fully understand it um there's just not a room for those engineers sitting in an office at
you know the dod um and so you know he explained how you know you you you give that technology to
a defense contractor and then and then as you said um over the years they keep working at it they stay
knows a little bit about the program but doesn't know everything and then the guy after that um doesn't
to this point where um the defense contractors hold a lot of the cards and um at the same time though
um everyone in my film that talked about this this this hidden program uh referred to as the
legacy program um they they they all say that it has just been it was immediately removed from
interviewed um told me this isn't something we got into in the film but um multiple people told me that
strategizing but many people told me about um information sharing um back in the day between
that's never happened you know um maybe maybe it's a coincidence that that that those meetings are
backlash or anything yeah there were a number of people um there were uh there were there were a
handful of officials who um because of their their their their roles at the time couldn't
couldn't uh couldn't do it uh intelligence officials um and then uh there were a couple people that was a
what they know um the one that always stays in my head is uh is a uh someone who's um part of the
word choice you know um but uh you know put yourself in my shoes man like i i had i immediately was
point also of telling everyone i talked to um it's just the truth i would say hey i don't want to know
you know right um don't want to be in some crazy dangerous situation um you know there's there's a lot
you know and that stuff's fascinating enough um it also does beg the question though of like what's
know non-human bodies being in these crashes and um talking about the extent of the cover-up uh it's
that we're not dealing with one non-human intelligent life that we're dealing with um
that sounds uh could be one of the other possibilities of origin um there's also the possibility of
guess it's it'd be foolish at this point to take anything off the table you know yeah but um
fascinating yeah and then you have you know people like um who was it timber chet that said there was
there no tim look tim's tim's a great guy and um yeah he's great he's really uh he's really on top of
top of this it's like it's him uh anna luna from florida um burleson from missouri moscowicz from
florida uh carson from indianapolis um that's that's like a short list of people that are really on top
about it uh how does he know that multiple leaders um in the navy in the u.s navy you know
ranging from admirals to um naval intelligence officials have told congress about craft moving
at impossible speeds under the water past our submarines and um so much so that they tim gallaudet
tim's one of those people yeah um so much so that they they're they're making the logical conclusion
that they're that there's bases and um it's crazy it's crazy man you know um apparently you know i'm
miles right um there was one that was that was tracked in aguadilla right in puerto rico that they
absolutely crazy i mean look the reason why jay stratton was the one who changed um using but you
thing that came out of my interviews um a number of the officials including a senior cia official uh
jim semivan um talked about how the program that that has gate kept this the legacy program that is
person if you look into it you're nuts you'll have your reputation ruined um like a couple movies
foot you know it's ridiculous and um and the average scientist didn't think it was real and so the
simply understand that it's a real situation that it's a valid area of inquiry and um yeah this the
raise you know this issue up the flagpole within the government right um he was constantly faced
this bullshit you know and so they weaponize it dude there's a crazy a great um story in annie
is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the
time and there's there's career bureaucrats at um within the air force and within the department of
the defense contractors are used for reverse engineering they are only given um you know certain
um is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on um technology
that um gives off great amounts of energy and anything related to creation yeah and and they you know
centers um so they they also have a classification system that allows to keep all of this um extremely
i didn't because um a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that uh those folks you know
know slam the door on even them when they were inside of government you know so um
gatekeeper was at the cia and um he went to go to talk to him literally knocked on his door and uh
he wanted to see if he could get some answers to some of his big questions and um you know he knew
and as a number of the officials in my film say um there's been a misappropriation of funds you know
been told that there's a lot of um uh off book funding from the public sector uh wealthy just wealthy
that's been gleamed you know um it's a lot of money out there in the world you know um
um some of these people you know likely if you you know if you if you put a gun to the head of people
race with adversaries and so um the best course of action ultimately is to not share with the public
um but i do think the same time that we've gotten to a place where we would benefit from the basic facts
these craft are working essentially right um they are tapping into an energy source that we are
or whether it's um using quantum entanglement to bring large amounts of energy from somewhere else
they're warping space time in a localized area they're creating um with the scientists in my film
it it allows it to do things um that you know this is kind of what bob lazar described right in his
physics as we understand it yeah it's just in its own space time yeah um but the reason i just went
have um i mean just look at the boeing shit with the boeing whistleblowers with the whole boeing lawsuit
one of the most interesting people i've ever met too is hal pudoff dr hal pudoff um he's a senior
create superior weapons yeah um so anyway like i mean look maybe how's right maybe he's wrong but his
his outlook is that um because this technology could be so revolutionary to the way we live and because um
all of humanity realize that we have more in common than than than we have differences right and um
how to deal with it um now look that might just not be in the cards that might not be possible the dynamics
might not the dynamics between us and our adversaries might not allow for that but it's um it's certainly
um in my opinion the most interesting time to be alive because some some some amount of the truth
know um and also why haven't we seen do they plan on using any of this stuff on the battlefield
in the intelligence community that's in my film um told me that um
um when when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program
he asked them straight up um would we break this technology out uh on the battlefield to you know
the last thing the last card that we played basically um and the idea being that the reason being once
um and i remember when i was told that and i was that was that was pretty mind-blowing um
yeah or a craft with weapons on it yeah right um i mean if you go from if you can go from
um where do you come at it do you think do you think it's possible to to make it a humanitarian issue
and control everything that happens and that just like work behind the curtain and um it's hard to
like politicians are basically like fake stand-ins um yeah you know again i hope like dave grush was when he
guessing game of what it is and just make it a real thing for people um the reason i think this the
get and i think we'll get it relatively soon um what was how and eric davis what was their view
possibilities um the you know interdimensional extraterrestrial um ultra terrestrial uh yeah
long time ago broke off the human family tree um you know there's so much of our our planet that we
essentially you know on on uh unexplored um yeah i mean antarctica is just like a big mystery box
yeah um so you know look there's a lot of possibilities the the only thing that's certain
is that um you know a number of people my film know as a fact from their from their work with the
and um you know the other thing is you know they say people say it in my film but uh
um but the best we can get now is people who have great reputations putting their credibility on the
thought um how taking a photo of fish under the water the water basically like warps and occludes and
these things are out there how come no one's ever gotten a good video um with their iphone everyone's
you try video filming these things um from outside the bubble that they've created the bubble around
you're never going to get anything more than the kind of footage we get now right um but at the same
people my film have seen and go on the record saying exists um it's very clear cut uh indisputable i've
under there's there's this pro um this agency called the i think it's the u in r or nro something it's
the navy knows a lot for sure um you know jay stratton who ran the uap task force and who co-created
intelligence official um but i do i do believe him and and his colleagues who i've gotten to know well
when they say that despite the navy having learned a lot they are still um boxed out by the legacy program
they're catching on sonar they're grabbing that data for right the the the the um
cameron was ahead of his time and yeah you know on to something um yeah the water stuff spooky
abyss the abyss makes you rethink this you know um it is spooky the the people i've spoken to who
mean i've you know for example that um in my film one of the one of the interview subjects
and um he said that him and a few other guards i think it might have been might have been six i
you know visible means of propulsion it was just there this giant um rectangular object the size of
a football field uh and then he said it took up took off thousands of miles an hour up the coast and um
sending dummy nukes up or something yeah same base vanderburg air force base decades prior um he's
a missile test that was happening and um they shot a dummy missile up and they had it being filmed by a
bunch of different cameras um just to study study it and uh while they were filming a uap
told you know never to talk about it and and you know essentially like wow dude threatened in a way um
things um that my interview subject shared and um a long time ago they realized folks involved in
that would attract uap and lower them in and um then they could collect data and get get uh get
create circumstances that would cause some crashes which seems like a pretty risky decision um but uh at
the same time i think um my understanding is that adversarial nations have done this and do this so that
so if we don't do it then we would fall behind um again one of those like examples of this being a
conversation yeah right and uh i found that fascinating interestingly um i just learned through some
of my relationships in the government right now that um some of the intelligence officials
saw with their own eyes uap um i was told this in confidence uh by a couple people within the last
couple weeks and then interestingly um congressman burleson um who also had learned this uh shared it on a
podcast i think last week a few days ago um that he had heard the same thing
shake those trees and in that process apparently um some of them were given a demonstration on how
days ago congressman burleson said it on a podcast um i was just going to keep it to myself but then
drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so
you could put a nuclear submarine in a certain area and nearby it you could put um another vessel with a
whoa yeah so actually um something that you know your listeners will find fascinating um so so jay
his colleagues had about how these things could be lured in how they how um how elements of our
ago it was i want to say the 90s maybe i could be wrong could be in the 2000s um who said that he was
fucking like um like almost human-made crafts like ufos and they were loading these people onto them
made him want to tell his story and like switch teams um but and then that's like the whole
that but um i have heard about um i have heard that there are people who have the ability to
communicate um using the power of their mind and i i i know that probably is like the most wacky
mind you know um but this is what i've been told by super serious people um there uh there are a bunch
of um there's a bunch of really uh grounded not a bunch that's the stupidest way to say it there's
uap topic he um ran stargate he was tasked with building stargate and what stargate was was a program
this for a while there's there's even um there's even recordings of past presidents talking about this
um saying that they the military actually acted on intelligence that the remote viewers gave
the craziest leap um to go from accepting that remote viewing is a real thing even though it's hard to
have those abilities can also communicate uh from a distance with um non-human life um there are
right um and so you know that that is that is sort of the bar i've always held like you know i i put
weight in things said by people who fit that description you know and um whether that's you
who you know doesn't want to get himself killed and doesn't want to um you know lose his ability
um within the department of defense or or the cia and you retire you're collecting your pension as a
government worker um the way the the what a lot of them do after they retire from government work they
for two years it's like such rare air i mean you unprecedented access to information you know um
um number of the people in my film are are actively working uh in the private sector using their their
clearances really yeah the number of them dozens of them actually and um you know none of them have been
he was um the director of national intelligence yeah he's been the head of multiple other intelligence
and play a role in disclosure and he shared what he could and it was pretty significant actually um
that is real it's a valid area of inquiry and um i remember you know when i interviewed him i'm this
like he got a weight off his chest yeah when he said that and um i think he was at a place in life
yeah yeah he is you know and and and yeah he's been caught up in some um you know political
laptop thing um you know i know a lot of people will say well i don't think he was honest about
good you know you know and and he was like no this is important so you know um and and and and to be
did jay get you in touch with clapper um no okay no i just think it's you know it's important to keep
and um you know it is important to know that this guy literally lied to congress and said that the nsa
yeah like it kind of just came out yeah um and uh yeah but i mean
narrative to the american public you know a specific narrative um you know who knows you know who knows
in the 40s and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country right and um
of the ais like compare the um just do the gdp of the top five or top ten united states uh military
major defense contractors um are in the top ten corporations yeah that's cap wise i don't think the
actually went and investigated it and um completely came to the conclusion that it was not man-made like
20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the
yeah um but let me put it to you this way it's just not realistic if i'm if we're the american
like yeah it's a great company it's a great company it's a great company but um i just don't believe that
and they're both making progress yeah i think um you know in the film until those officials refer
to it as the manhattan project on steroids i think that's real um hal putoff says on on camera he throws
legacy programs work and some of it might be a result of china's program right um so i think that
public to right to say things without overtly saying them and um i think that those set of circumstances
the film eric davis um he says the exact uh number i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try to uh quote it because
doing extensive deep research on anti-gravity and electro-gravity effects yeah and um these scientists
certain that they have exponentially um expounded on that research since then yeah and like even if
you take like um you know all the missing money in the u.s government where rumsfeld said right before
of that unaccounted money has gone towards yeah this technology race and funding this effort um that's
there is um non-government non-contractor money involved in this and i never really got got any
details it not enough to be able to talk about um so maybe maybe there's another whole hidden hand
involved in this that we that we don't know about yet but um
um you know you brought up earlier we we um before we took a break we were talking about
um consciousness and remote viewing yeah and um one of the more interesting stories i want to circle back
to um i met an intelligence official um we'll we'll we'll refer to as scott who um was a high level
and um he ended up on a mission in the middle east and came back and he had an illness and long very
like that he was you know it messed him up and he was just like hallucinating um but then it happened
or something like that i really can't remember it's under 10 um saw ufo and apparently it came out of a
a couple guys from air force office of special investigation showed up to um talk to him
the mom had heard of it so she's like jogging scott's memory and then um after that it sent him down
um long story short he found a collection of files that his father had and it was broken down by the
years of his life scott's life and um yeah so it's like scott year seven scott year eight and inside
probably should keep those details so this so this this this guy in in real life scott is um someone i was
introduced to um from someone in my film and he is writing a tell-all memoir right now and simon and
schuster is the publisher and um i don't know when it's going to be complete or when it's going to come
of time with them and it is just the most bombshell singular story i've ever heard in my life and um
and the base he was assigned to was the old um space command base at that time yeah and then uh he
try to piece together his past and he started finding this massive cover-up um
um in those records was um was um his excused absences from school for weeks at a time he
um there's all these other things about his past that as he started to look into it became clear he was
a part of something as a kid after this uap event um and then it was all covered up and something
caused him to forget all this then the brain surgery brought all these memories back um and then just
to skip to sort of like the end of the story um when he started socializing this to some of his high
level intelligence official friends um he found his life in jeopardy and there were a couple attempts
uh uh uh to end his life and um fortunately that stopped and uh now he's you know he's around to tell a story but
we're you know average people don't um maybe it just like turned on something that's in all of us already
maybe it's sort of like heightened an ability that had been sort of like repressed or whatever dormant um
um um those are kind of like you know the two the two thoughts right um but either way it seems that
event led to him being um recruited into a program that that that worked with young people kids that
show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah
there was a there was a joint military uk base there in the 80s it was called um i think it was called raf
simply put there was a joint uk military base in this area of the english countryside and um at the
weapon sites um like right above uh where nukes were hidden underground and a number of the base
some of them got very close to them um one of them one of these guards ended up having a lot of
negative biological effects um heart issues and some other medical issues uh as a result of the contact
with this this technology being close to it um
and uh interestingly also similar to the scott story um the day after um a mysterious
um and people that identify themselves as being a part of air force office of special investigation and of the cia
them a lot of questions um years later those witnesses told the base commander many years later told them
that they were given some kind of um serum now whether that was to like erase memories or like whether
and um there's a number of people who have had encounters on bases who then were promptly um put in a room
it for years um but the the overlap with um consciousness remote viewing yeah and this is is a
the producers on it um by all means james gets all responsibility for making that movie that was his
yeah um there was a school in uh in south africa yeah in rural south africa yeah and it was a
international school it was young young kids from from um actually a lot of european nations people
whose um parents were working in south africa for some reason and uh so it wasn't it wasn't like local
south african kids it was like and it was distinctly an international school yep and um
with them um the message that these kids all got was that one there's a clip of there's a actual
technologically and then it could lead to destruction right it was like a warning right and um that was the main
takeaway from the communication these kids claim to all not all but many of them experience um all the kids
gets even wilder is there was a very um very grounded credible hardened wartime news correspondent who was
him if these kids were all you know expert liars or crazy so he he he phoned the um the head of child
saying they experienced yeah and then years later um james fox uh um tracked down a bunch of these
themselves um one of them says she's actually never told her husband about it like just didn't want
yeah and um you know i was really grateful he you know he brought me on to that project as a producer
um towards the end of his process and i was able to play a role in helping get the movie out there and
second was i know what i saw right mm-hmm i think so yeah yeah um but uh yeah moment of contact was
and james james did the best deep dive ever on it um and i'll tell you i i have heard from some of my
people who shared with them evidence of this having happened um medical reports yeah reports
of the biological effects to civilians in that area um people that got zapped by uh this uap
in this event this this specific event um the the brazilian military did a massive investigation of it
had had a role in covering it up and just you know sure making sure it never never made it to the public um
you know talking about james james fox and his filmmaking um just you know makes me it's another
reminder like how important um civilian journalism is you know like we know about this stuff because
talking about it on podcasts like yeah um in the past there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it
and because legacy media didn't bring any attention to it right and is largely controlled um people
where i came out on it was um to have the film cover the base facts of the high level situation
right it could be in a follow-up film it could be in a spin-off um it could be in something else i do um
that was enough you know yeah and i actually had um in one uh cut of the movie i did have a little like
three or four minute scene that touched on it wasn't abductions but touched on um the personal
crafts like straight up ufos within eyesight of their homes um that's covered in a lot of my interviews
i did test screenings um small test screenings with trusted friends time and time again at the end
just headline questions and i always would say was there anything that you found um hard to accept and
happening right now and and and and um put the right brain power towards it because we haven't
experienced it yet and rubio makes points about um there being several examples of that blowing up in
get their missiles through the straits but until they did um and so there's histories full of these
overlap you it was like tell me what you heard about the aliens so talked to um several people who worked
base where they encountered um uap and then not human beings um oh they encountered beings at their
various not at work yeah not at work um one one story that did happen on the on a base though um
to digress but i've been thinking about um maybe doing a dvd a blu-ray with special features on it i like it
few draws of uh dvds in alphabetical order like like a lunatic that's awesome um but uh
uh yeah i think i might do that one day but so one of these interviews um i did was it was it was
basically became like you know catatonic like frozen they couldn't move and um he said out of
was no longer where it was in front of the the uh the nuke um site he was now at the bottom of a
couldn't move he was like gripping the steering wheel he said and um over the base over the radio
hospital after they checked them um for radiation damage they checked their gums and other other
would cause biological effects you know and then um they were told never to talk to each other again
and the partner was shipped out to another country very quickly soon after that whoa yeah and um
the aftermath was like almost exactly the same him and his he that guy was um in another vehicle he had
investigation cia asking the questions and then um one of them was shipped to a base on in japan
they're really chilling and um um each time each of those interviews um you can really feel when
like it's like dramatic um one guy when he's telling the story actually i i he i noticed his like knee was
humanoid and then smaller ones that did not look the same and um whoa and he said that the tall
yeah yeah there's all this overlap in these stories and you know a lot of them um a lot of them happened in
um in different they happened in different years and like the circumstances um
there's also like a lot of there's a lot of like um
there would have been even more um thoughtfulness put towards who gets those jobs yeah you know and so
um yeah it really made an impact on me uh i just felt for this film you know it it was a bridge too
serious situation and i do feel like that mission was accomplished um especially in how it led to
you said um yeah that's who i was making the movie for and i think now that the average person is aware that
scripted movies uh or whether it's um whether it's just you know news program special yeah i'm sure there's so many more
a producer i've i've um i've built from the ground up a bunch of movies and tv shows you know including
book to start with the the book by ernest klein um and developing movies and tv shows is is hard it's a
it's a process it's a hard creative process um but this was the hardest creative process because
this movie right that ten people would have watched because it would have been too long you know um but
um more than ten people would have watched it yeah more than ten more than ten people to watch it but
don't i agree they don't the same staying power they're not as evergreen um and um you know a
um not only uh to become interested in this topic because of movies like et and close encounters
but also to get into filmmaking i remember when i was a kid and um i became obsessed with with et
then his friends would be in them um his family members would be in them and so i was inspired to
do the same thing so like i i didn't i didn't have any we didn't have a lot of money growing up um
you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh
you know mowing lawns in the summer um to buy uh a camera super eight camera a 16 millimeter camera
friends shout out to phil desjardins and dan gomez um yeah they uh my buddies uh growing up would would
he had a great time and um when i go home for the holidays to my little jersey town i often bump into
and like um but i was very inspired by spielberg to do all that like reading about him the fact that
he did that as a kid is what made me want to do it as a kid yeah and um yeah i made i made like a
is ernie ernie klein wrote the book amazing book he's an amazing author and um and uh i started
collaborating with him and we i set it up as a producer i set it up at warner brothers um got them
loved the book that's amazing and um i remember learning uh at the time that his uh wife had
coincidentally just um listened to the audio book on her morning walks and so she had been talking
meant to be yeah he was hearing from multiple people how wonderful the book was and um yeah and
then so he he came on board spring of 15 and everything got fast tracked um we started
and then it was in post-production throughout all of 2017 and um then it came out march of 2018
2018 and um we premiered it at the south by southwest film festival opening weekend sunday afternoon of
dude yeah yeah what's even weirder like kind of a glitch in the matrix um it was uh south by southwest
within a couple blocks of each other which is kind of weird that's why yeah it's wild yeah um but no
you know right or for other people or for the collective you know yeah um so i think i think movies
man make a bigger impact on culture than anything else totally i really believe that and um i think
it it makes them think about things they hadn't thought about um yeah it's uh it's a powerful it's
multiple days because we don't have time yeah and um man i don't know where that goes but yeah no it's
like it's days i do too i do too the um but making that movie making ready player one um i gotta say you
cinematographers okay one of the some directors like to use the cameras the one he uses the most is um
yamish kaminsky who shot our movie uh-huh amazing cinematographer also a great guy um and it was uh
it was it was an um i mean put yourself in my shoes man i mean literally my favorite filmmaker since i was
it felt like a kid in a candy store and um but he was very cool and um i remember actually uh
one day uh early on in making that movie um myself and uh ernie klein were in in the lunch line with
and steven's assistant came up behind us and was like uh hey guys i i don't want to interrupt you but um
movie differently you know there's that great scene where um bill pullman who plays the president yeah he
passed away he actually lived in my hometown um he played the head of the cia and he he has that
bonkers um he yeah he played the the guy and yeah i remember that now fake boss i remember that
awesome and then and then next you know they're at area 51 and then judd hirsch who plays um
ocean or something yeah yeah yeah one of the people i talked to who wouldn't go on camera um he was a
missiles um we shoot them out into the ocean they drop into the ocean they go far distance and they
they'll just go recover the missile um they put it on a some kind of like a recovery system and they
like you know how it performed um so that's just like a thing we do and so one of these tests happened
it whoa yeah and then it took off um and these guys were just swimming in the water yeah yeah oh my god
yeah yeah that's that's terrifying it's crazy it's crazy um but uh it was a really credible guy and um
going to at one point but decided couldn't do it um but apparently uh that kind of thing has happened
you know it is um it really is man we might find out there's a whole civilization under the ocean
the other thing just made me think of yeah we're talking about spielberg um he was so ahead of his
um and and when he made et definitely he also people forget um he also uh wrote poltergeist
poltergeist the movie about i didn't know he wrote that yeah about paranormal activity um and a
family dealing with it at home and um he was very ahead of his time go back and watch
consultants um in the same way that you know before i made the age disclosure i formed relationships with
insights um you know jock valet was is was one of the consultants on the movie that's the the french
book and you know i believe i believe spielberg's talked publicly about how um alan hynek who was the lead
investigator of project blue book was one of his consultants um so yeah he had he had people
informing him um there's also that great story um i can't remember who shared this but there's a great
story about spielberg um doing a screening of et at the white house for reagan and on the way out
much truth there is or some line like that um i believe he spielberg might have told this story
that was super obsessed with ufos well there was a lot um ford was into it carter was into it reagan
that's that is a famous story that i've heard as well of um apparently nixon was a big jackie
pop culture i don't know if it's real or not real but um this reagan thing i'm pretty sure um oh here's
the here's the story about spielberg and et um can you zoom in a little bit in the new interview
planet right and how it will help us um see more of what we have in common yeah differences we'll think of
this this spielberg story and there's other stories um one of the one of the people i interviewed um
like a right hand turn out of nowhere you know um and they were really great people super credible
since some some form but one of them was a former nsa guy who was involved in um reagan's star wars
and then bush the other the other one who has a big role we talked about in the film is um
and when but that he found out that it existed and then when he became president he um went out of his
way to learn the truth about it and and got very involved and then his son bush too um knew the base
various uh parts of society scientists um people from finance um were put in a room basically and told that
scale um each vertical like the impact on religion the impact on the economy the impact on just a list
um and then when asked about it uh um i found a clip of bush asked about it bush too being asked
about it on on um jimmy kimmel yeah he's like i'm not gonna tell you yeah right and timing wise it was
from um sure coming forward on it yeah but well let's see if trump can see his legacy and be the
interesting year we are we are 100 living in in the age of disclosure that is that is for sure um i do
stratton's book that's gonna blow people's minds um i'm i'm thinking about what the next film i'm
gonna make is um i'm having some high level conversations with folks in government about
doing a follow-up film um there's also a bunch of these like standalone stories that i'm interested
yeah moment of contact and focused on that one event um and um yeah and i'm building you know i i
um i founded relentless releasing the distribution company that that released the film and um building
that and uh gonna be releasing other movies as well so um that's awesome yeah i'm thinking about a
um my pleasure man i enjoy i enjoyed every moment of this and uh we'll we will link your film below