And he said that him...
He said that.
He said that it took a couple of days to describe how human beings live in our time.
And obviously, with the lore behind Bob Lazar and Dan Burst and everything else, all these connections.
Listen, you can say whatever you want about what was shown to me, what was told to me, what I experienced, who I emailed, who I caught.
And you, that's what you're facing.
You're facing this confirmation bias of, I don't, I'm not ready for this to even remotely be possibly true.
And it's, you just did like a hypnotic thing.
Let's go back.
Uh, which, you know, uh, predated the obvious, uh, interview that happened with Art Bell afterwards
on the phone.
And then the later interview again with Victor, where he shows up, I think a decade later.
Well, what's nice about my research is that I have the backstory and I can tell it now
because I put out my documentary, everything's out, which was great.
Uh, which, which is great because I can speak to you now and don't have to say, I'll have
to tell you in a skiff or something, you know, something like.
Well, you're in a skiff, so you can tell.
Yeah, I know that.
So, um, about, uh, four or five days before candying Tom Coleman the video, we have now
since found out that Victor was making the rounds in Hollywood of television studios,
um, trying to sell them this VHS tape.
And by his own admission and by others that, that knew of this process at rocket, um, these
Reluctantly agreed to that.
But he said just very scientific.
Eric Davis said, quote, they wore sandals, sometimes no shoes, ponytails, and they walked around humming Pink Floyd music.
It came out on the UPN network.
I thought it was Fox.
It's coughing.
There can't be a hand inside the mouth because the chin is only three fingers wide.
Is, do you think that if it was a PSYOP that Victor was kept in the dark?
Because for it to be a successful PSYOP, Victor getting caught lying would have been a big
12 as part of a public acclimation program.
Uh, it's not perfect even today.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
So we are very convinced that Victor was a mid to low level audio visual, maybe even the manager or the director.
It's this way.
It's the rules.
You know, when Victor's talking about the primitive conceptual framework, it's talking from an alien to talk to a human being about the,
Sure.
No, not him.
Art Bell believed him.
You know, that's a, for me, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, it's a big one for me, because
They call themselves researchers.
I gave them everything.
All of this, you have two military people in the foreshadow.
Is it real?
And he caught himself.
Um, there was a deathbed confession years ago.
And like the answers were, you know, where are you from?
And, you know, they say, you know, we're, we're part of the same galaxy, but our mission is to monitor this planet, yada, yada.
And I just...
Chris, I had a...
Chris Ramsey and Jon Stewart are hoaxing this video.
We have a stool left in the thing.
We've hired two guys to wear military outfits.
We don't really put them in the shot.
Their shoulders are getting in the way of the camera.
We have medics that are not in pressurized suits.
We take...
I was told by a cameraman.
He's in my documentary.
My good friend, James Mastery, he was a cameraman for ABC Chicago.
He talked to me for a half hour about digital overlay graphics.
I said, Jim, in 91 or 96, when we think this was a hoax,
how much to put that on there?
He goes, like a video production company?
It's like, this took hours.
You ought to cut out the numbers, put it on the film,
recopy the film, transfer it.
And as far as the transfer and stuff, 16-millimeter transfer to VHS tape.
Is Chris Ramsey and Jon Stewart on a short budget going to find 16-millimeter film,
film it on that, one take.
That's a one.
She, she, she contacted me off the internet, my email, cause I gave my email.
Did you vet her?
Mm-hmm.
And in that, in the, in the facility of us.
Giving them a name like Oscar.
You look, aw.
But yeah.
mean, that would be really interesting.
Well, this is part of this, this for the past six years, people come out of the woodwork.
They send us the video clip.
We'll tell you what we think it is.
And I was very, very cordial with him.
I know I talk fast.
go vertically and not horizontally in the, in a physiological terms.
It doesn't make sense.
there's not a device to solve it.
He gives me the analogy.
If you need anything else, you have my number, go ahead and give me a call.
Mm-hmm.
It's not a physiological monitor.
And I always know and realize, like with MJ-12, like with a lot of other things, when you go public as an author, researcher, investigator, journalist, sometimes people in the know will approach you, will send you things.
Not a typical gray.
Instead of giving it a classification like, I can't even think of a scientific name.
This is like the MJ-12 document where it's going to list military men's names
My hand, Chris, my hand is shaking because I'm getting real.
I've been MJ-12.
I'll contact him.
sounds like she's on her deathbed.
And I go to hang up
It's got to be given to you
by an intelligence agency
And she answered.
Oh my God.
I've seen him a little time.
I believe that's my husband.
Don't ever call me.
Don't ever call me again.
Here we go.
Carthusian monk.
we couldn't.
we went right to us for primarily used in what,
what was the,
one of our investigators,
one of your,
not a,
He looks like an eighties Philadelphia gyms,
high school teacher with the eighties,
because they all take a vow of silence.
They,
you know,
that's very,
I am just saying.
Broncos.
but that,
that was part of the program initially with,
that they shoot him out.
There was a lot of in and out of charlatans basically.
and so when you're desperate,
you're thinking out of the box,
you're going to make desperate moves.
and I think that's what Victor's alluding to with hiring these.
Yeah.
And time.
Victor called it 1-800 psychics.
Right now.
now Victor comes back in 08 and says,
we finally figured out what the aliens were telling us.
And it ain't good.
And that's when Victor,
I think this is scary,
says to the documentary crew,
in 08,
don't plan on any 20th anniversary of this documentary.
I might not be here,
but I know you're not going to be here.
20 years from 08 is,
what would that be?
Almost 20,
Oh my God.
Whoa.
an alleged whistleblower from S4 says,
don't plan on a 20th anniversary.
Yeah.
Not a 30th.
Which is 20,
That is,
yeah,
that's,
that's,
and this is something,
you know,
what can go wrong.
Men have been killed to protect this secret,
this secret that you're trying to expose.
you know,
So I finally get a hold of him.
been there at that time.
He said,
they're very,
extraterrestrial races.
I gave it,
sent it to his commanding officer at right patent.
Am I in trouble?
that this document was created,
and 109 is,
but I was never down
at the third and fourth level.
you and I talked off camera.
Okay.
I think.
the manipulation,
or possibly the dilation of time in order to peer into the future,
you pretty much,
you like bleeped out a few letters.
such a massive difference,
but in reality,
They're part machine,
part biological makeup.
alien,
round eyes,
I've just found this referee that's willing to do it.
I am going to give him tests.
yeah,
God helped the fate of the world.
What's the end game with,
with the end game is for somebody in the fricking government or a former military person to stand up and say this,
you know,
I would,
Why has this video been allowed to spread publicly,
About the alien film.
Then all of a sudden.
Didn't he do follow-up documentaries about aliens?
so Jeff said,
I will give you the full name.
Victor's name,
His son's like,
stop calling me.
So we were,
the city manager.
Cause Rancho Cucamonga does not have a mayor and give it to the city
From Hex.
Have you had any men in black interactions since starting your research and coming forward?
I guess you're right.
All right.
Great point.
I have no interaction with men in black and I've said it publicly.
You'd stop stealing my emails.
You want me to stop that?
I've touched on something that's going to compromise national security.
Be a man.
That's,
that's,
that's,
that's combative.
I'm sorry.
Be a gentleman,
be a woman,
a lady,
knock on my door,
show me your credentials.
I'll take you out for coffee.
I'll go show you the home alone house.
We'll take pictures and you can tell me why I should stop and I'll stop.
I'm happy to do that too.
I think that's like a good,
happy middle ground with like national security and stuff.
There's too many.
There,
there's,
there's,
there's,
you know,
there's no need for.
Tomfoolery.
I will show you what I am.
Yeah.
There's a lot of this.
Cause like,
you know,
people say,
they're getting warnings or like,
my phone,
I'm hearing a clicking.
It's like,
just be overt.
Right.
Let's just all just come into the light.
The best antiseptic is sunlight.
And that brings me to,
I had two different emails.
the spy program,
Here's what I know.
Corridor crew or whatever.
And I,
I'm happy to prove Eric Davis,
yeah,
he's done a lot of work on that.
He donated this platform to who?
The United States Navy.
I wonder if that was the big thing that made the Russians leave.
opposed from me and both said,
I am just so,