The crash in Magdalena wasn't located until about 49.
was never explained.
I think nobody has it right.
But just like the horse mace of crash in 49, very few people have that fact factual.
But there were pictures of these weird looking creatures that showed on the film that were
extraterrestrials from some other location different from where the events came from.
creature that the ebony's made.
And that was a briefing in 1985 based on investigation that we were doing.
So they pictured it.
They took pictures of it.
we call it after that.
So you might have a Q 17, which district 17 was OSI in Courland,
around Manzano.
So I said, oh, that's strange.
And that's what we were concerned about.
So we conducted an investigation on him,
to convince him what he was seeing.
He just told me it's UFOs.
and the lights were down.
In fact, none of the ceiling lights were on.
and he said, Paul, what did you just do?
I said, no, I didn't do anything.
or the burn the hole through,
through the ceiling.
I was new.
He had a Canon 35 millimeter,
and then they're off.
And he's more like orbs,
or were there any videos,
or was all photographs?
because you always want to analyze all this stuff,
together,
uh, reunions or get-togethers.
And normally,
it was rainy night,
winter,
and we see these lights.
Well, these lights are,
you can tell camera lights.
The old red lights coming out,
seeing that there's cameras pointed over here.
I said, I'm going to get to them this time.
So I call,
Albuquerque Police Contacts I had,
telling them what I had,
and somebody come over there,
and they come over,
and we confront these two guys,
and they had to tell us
that they were special agents,
and they had,
they rented this place.
That's what all they said.
So I knew,
they say what agents say.
No, they didn't.
And APD was,
I was off base,
I didn't have much jurisdiction there,
so Albuquerque Police Department had to,
you know, I was just relying on them.
The ID,
it was confirmed that they rented a place,
so I was left at that.
But this,
each of them I met years later told me,
he said, we investigated that one,
we investigated the abduction,
up at the springer,
I didn't know this.
So NSA was intimately involved in this stuff, too.
You know,
any other agencies or any of these other gentlemen
you've met with?
A DIA, of course.
And in 1984,
President Reagan came to Sandia
learned or heard that Sandia
was wanted.
he even addressed that issue.
He says, I want to be briefed
which was at that time,
Det3 Test Center, it's Area 51,
I don't really actually told me it was an anti-gravity craft,
but the way it was operating
It wasn't very big.
It was probably
and because there was damage on it.
But the skin of it and everything looked
Yeah, ET communications worked.
Those were the ones I can remember.
He might talk.
In 1980,
You go in, Pat Pous.
You go down the ramp.
you're not going to be working on the other craft.
The man made.
we call them essential elements of information,
which you ask us by,
a Buddhist non-questionist,
is what the column is German.
he was in the army as a photographer,
and he retired from the army,
I'm sure they've been analyzed.
We're the photographs daytime of the craft.
Operations.
Yeah.
That and some of the other things that we did in recruiting people.
One of the things that you want to do to protect a base is recruit people outside the base to report into the base.
The high level producer and directors.
Yeah.
of alien technology reverse engineering.
Well, they were trying to, I think Sandy and Labs had a project
It has to be anti-gravity or something because it would kill a pilot.
I mean, I had a pilot standing next to me who had been a fighter pilot for years,
It could go Mach 1.
That's all I was told and maybe probably more than that, but just what he told me of the pilot told me when I interviewed him was, he had it up the Mach 1.