the creature i was like yeah that video statement came from us like we filmed that because we have
we we meet covertly every time we go to virginia says you might want to go talk to this individual
it's like we're trying to track down the video that's like the holy grail right
so we hear the dr italo this is like a year ago maybe a little over a year ago
we hear the doctor well god it might have been a year and a half ago at this point
time flies and we hear the dr italo who's a neurosurgeon at regional hospital had seen the
video so we're like going after this guy with everything we've got as we do with with witnesses
and and it makes sense because we have all this testimony leading up to regional hospital then we've
got a gap at regional hospital we know the creature ended up alive at regional hospital because of all
alive we also had testimony from military ex who drove a creature or two creatures definitely one
came in and we could talk about the foyer requests for the flight logs then we put in but that's another
left and they went to regional hospital got it so so we heard about this dr italo character
as having seen the video so we went after him marco marco layal my partner boots on the ground he was
like he's very good very persistent he's like me we're both incredibly tenacious i mean we're like
the squeaky wheel and we ultimately get a meeting with him and marco puts it on zoom video zoom call
evidently saw the video so we hang up the call and i'm thinking okay i need to go back to
virginia i need to dig deep on this one which we did later multiple times and um uh marco sits down
this to the grave right if i survive this story then he gets prostate cancer meanwhile we're like
in the bathtub like he gave us a little bit and then we'd grab him and he was like sometimes he would
so we went back to brazil in january of last year and with a film crew because i was like year ago now
and we had some additional people we're going after but two forensic pathologists one who founded
creature that inadvertently got into his blood and he died like really quickly and we talked to the
doctor that worked on him while he was still alive then we talked to the you know autopsy dr armando
this is all happening but while we're doing all this in the back of my mind i'm in virginia i'm going
in virginia a january of 2025 and i said hey you know we've been really trying to get a hold of this
guy and i'm sorry if i'm going off on a tangent but this is important background we've really been
tomorrow at 10 a.m and that was at regional so we don't know exactly like okay we're gonna go we're
excited but we don't know exactly what is going to reveal to us and i don't even think quite honestly
he did so we go with the team the next morning he meets us at the back the back entrance sneaks us
through maternity ward we go through these corridors boom down these hallways we're filming rolling camera
we get to the icu he goes gear up okay i had to put everything on to go just to go into the icu right
supposed to be there we'd have any permits he snuck us in he's like i think i just lost my job
then we ended up leaving the all of us together with the camera crew leaving the hospital i'm just
bomb on us and i was we were all were like if you go if you look at the film at the end when the camera's
panning across when we arrive in the cafe and you see the sound guy you see the translator you see
marco layout my partner he's like he's trying to process we all were like this guy just dropped an
those who say they've seen a spacecraft we really saw it it's not easy to be here on camera talking about
this they ask and ask and it feels like we are lying having to insist i have sworn i saw it and i did
there are others but all the doctors that we know of involved with the case and listen to what i say
working he's been a doctor for 45 years wow so he was there at that event then we had dr armando who
like when meanwhile i'm having a hard time these guys are going on documentaries that are like oh we
investigation a congressional investigation and we filed foyer requests about flight logs came back from
know where the debris was talking and blah blah blah blah and it's like we need that but i need help
now we've got the chief of police we've got two forensic pathologists we've got the head neurosurgeon
you show me one case in the history of the phenomenon where we have extremely credible
that video out we had a screening just a couple weeks ago with the mayor oh a whole room's packed i got
and uh witnesses and they said uh when we saw that video of you like when we saw that video of you
i'm like this happened yeah my god this stuff happened and i think there's more now we found
we have a couple names of people that were at humanitas hospital and they're not quite ready to
come forward yet but but we'll see what happens the 30th anniversary is is uh january 20th
make sure to let them know we sent you bon appetit let's eat with hexclad's revolutionary cookware
united states this happened in brazil right now it involved the us and we didn't learn that till late
to this individual and they said because we can yeah yeah because we can yeah they have their ways
flight logs and locations and tail numbers and finally one day after we were going back and forth
colonel i'm retired blah blah blah he goes but i'm telling you right now if we can get those tail
numbers because we had a photograph but the tail numbers were kind of blurred oh really yeah we had
the film because we were we were doing background on it but anyway he made the suggestion he goes put
hey how can i help i really want to help with this case i said hey we need to organize a foyer request
so we filed a foyer in 2022 and we said we want all the flight logs of united states air force
planes because we got word from the i don't know you call the flight control officer someone who
job steve that's the plane and we're trying to blow that up bigger so we were trying to get the tail
numbers we were trying to get you know match the area to see if that was campinas in 1996 like we're
trying to do all this research the person whose finger it is is a brazilian person and we've been
contacted anonymously but i i can we couldn't reach him sometimes people would say they have more
if they were lying whatever but anyway so we filed this foyer request in 2022 and we just had we wanted
request is denied we can neither confirm nor deny those records and then you know according to the
that that's what oh so when we interviewed the former chief of police and by the way getting to him was
he apparently well we went after now we went after him because of a photograph
but we didn't know that he too was a first-hand witness we were going after him for years and he was
that sees aliens you know nobody wants that in their life it's not a career enhancing move but we've
been going after him for a while we thought we're going to get him in the first cut of moment of contact
and um again bar so in the bathtub and then ultimately and he was like okay we'll come to my house
oh no don't come to my house and we had his address we'd go to his house there wasn't anybody there
we kept doing this for year after year after year and then finally last year i think it was january of
last year we were going to his house pedro agui aguiar aguiar and i talked to him via zoom calls in
the past years ago he uh and he did not deny having that photograph at the time um we were going to his
house and i think it was like maybe five o'clock in the evening and we were on our way to go to
on our team could have been me i don't know and we stopped at this little pizzeria and uh the the
individual that ran it spoke a little english and he was like you know we were clearly foreigners
coming in with all this gear and stuff and he's like oh sit down and i'll make you pizzas and we make uh
and everyone's like we got to go we got to go meet pedro and pedro doesn't like we're just going to
doorstep him right we're just going to show up and uh and i was like you know what let's sit down let's
have a pizza with this guy so we all so he makes us his fresh pizza and we take a completely unannounced
like one hour one and a half hour pause at this restaurant and just had a lovely dinner we had a glass
of wine we hung out with the owner it was beautiful it was really fun but it put us in later than we
would then we would have then we should have been but it just happened that way so then we drive
probably 7 30 7 45 something like this i'm going to guess and we show up at sol and film we show up at
want to say seven o'clock okay okay we were in the area when we stopped for pizza okay i see we
weren't even going to stop for pizza i think it was like a bathroom break something anyway we ended up
having pizza it was like a 90 minute stop we show up at his house he had just arrived 10 minutes earlier
so had we come earlier we would have missed him all together absolutely perfect yeah so
you come in you know come on in and invites us in and i think one of us had a mic on us just so we
things out a little bit here so we start talking and talking to him and we're just like you know
earlier and we'd also talked to him over the phone in 2021 when we were shooting the first version of
moment of contact and uh um i think i would eventually just said hey uh would you mind if we
telling him like you shut your mouth or are you going to reveal all or do we have this photograph
i don't know i don't know but she's looking at him and we just kept talking you know and then he
coming out it's coming out dude and we ask him on camera like why are you coming out now he goes
perfectly with every other tidbit of testimony that we've ever heard wow all the activity the
like the 90s were pretty radical man we had some crazy shit go down rua oh yeah we had ruin 94 then
we had virginia in 96 we had we had the massive flyover phoenix lights in 97 march wasn't there
he went to he said we went to full defcom two i think it was it was one or two it was when you have
itself and it's this massive and it was like they scrambled military jets to go after and we went to
a certain i didn't know what defcom meant right but he was like we went to defcom oh here we go defcom 2
americans did clinton find out don't know but if we did go to defcom 2 and that guy was telling me the
truth at luke air force base then we went to defcom 2 and clinton i guess the president of the united
they were like well had we not looked up we wouldn't have even known it was there i mean
it just was so silently right over our heads and we watched it for several minutes we stopped our
jaws on the ground like and they just floated right over and we were all just like
minutes watching this thing float right over them and these hospice workers like they just said we went
slash danny jones and use the code danny jones please support our show and tell them we sent you
you know sexual whatever okay my point is at least do some deep digging or perhaps we lobby together
grush but what about this what about we lobby the executive branch and provide some level of immunity so
right it's the people how about we create a platform that enables them to give the specific details
to the public to the world right that's what we should be focused on hey let's call their bluff
i think you're full of fair enough all right what do we got to do mr president you want
so profound why wouldn't we follow that up why wouldn't we dedicate some resources to those
allegations why wouldn't we find the old icig thomas monheim here's my thing pin him up against
the crazy hypothetical so we should do that here's a crazy hypothetical yeah james i saw saucers in
hangers and we have uh 18 captured alien bodies that uh are in our custody in florida new mexico
believe it okay let's just say that we did have recovered craft of non-human origin right and we've
fly rings around any we've got our leading military jets these things fly make a mockery out of them and
light years than anything we got let's just say that's real and let's say we we recovered that
technology now i'm not saying we've successfully reverse engineered it i have no idea okay but if they
admission that we have it and we share the bodies the biologics do you see what i'm saying totally
government had definitive proof that we're not alone would you like to know right and everyone goes
there and then we go up to this big door just like a bank vault kind of thing opens up the entire
gonna treat them like people and um we go down this hallway all these cubicles and stuff go down the
aren't going away we're having these hearings like you know you guys are going to come to the
going to be in the movie i did like i met him with people that i trust but hey man we're all fallible
we're humans and we're dealing with some pretty crazy these days yeah and they're like i i know this
you can disagree politically that's fine i'm really good friends with people on both sides of the fence we
don't care they know well like how i might feel or how they feel we're friends right that's the way
babies floating in alpha centauri what cool dude all right great yeah you know we never went to the moon
okay yeah right you know i'm just saying like we're cool right you know right right i'm good with it
you know we should we get aliens i don't know what crashed in virginia brazil in 1996 i'd love to know
okay to say we don't know where it's from i think it's okay because i don't know i'd like to know oh
which i probably shouldn't mention his name you'll probably figure it out probably shouldn't but we
were you know we we we we talked briefly at the beginning of the screening and then there was a
these guys are from the agency and and uh oh little side story so we're like the premiere yeah yeah
yeah so we're like at the premiere and and leslie's hanging out with these dudes in suits and i
is these guys are from the agency and i was like oh cool really nice to meet you guys and we're like
talking i was like yeah i'm gonna be cool i'm gonna be nice to everybody like yeah we you know what
i'm doing so we start talking and then i go yeah man because i i did this film about this alleged ufo
crash in front of jane to brazil and the guy goes oh no oh we we know all about it we've been following
you for we knew your browser history from this morning brother for years i was just like i got
and uh we start chopping it up excuse me and um i said uh i said you know i've heard that there are
no no you'll you'll you'll you'll be fine we'll be fine so i was like well and it was like a crowbar
away over where we were talking to you staring at you staring at me she was like like she knew
to interrupt but she was she i looked at her for like that we communicated telepathically like bam
right because it's like origins and intent right we want another origins and intent their origins could
compelling is that on other all the other goldilocks planets that we know of yeah the the pressure is
because we are one of two million catalog species on earth us right there's 20 different species of
apes of hominids 20 different hominids out of the 20 we are the only one that has figured out tech
we're smart enough to figure out technology to get off the planet but we are one of over 2 million species
on this earth so we us are super rare just on this planet and if you extrapolate that out to other
i was just like you know we have a little evidence on that we have the ufo that was captured and that
encounter and if the other people that we have their names if we had that encounter and we got it i
tell me more yeah you know i'm saying because we owe it to ourselves it's like it's so easy to sit on
contact with the creature now we have five maybe six let's see we have chief of police pedro aguriar
we have military x i know all of his credentials i know his full name who drove it and saw it then we
have katya then we have liliani her sister valkyria that's five and now we have the neurosurgeon that's
it was funny actually because we sat down with him i think we had to go up to brazilia at one point but uh
he uh we had the interview and i didn't ask him about virginia but we we turned the cameras off we
turned the audio off and marco and i came up to him and he was getting ready to leave and we were
makes you go i think we got something here yeah it's you know what i mean it's very but i mean i
we're talking about socorro new mexico 1964 close encounter of the third kind my point is this it's
josh gates was with me when it happened with with travis he just was like we were like hello you're
you okay there buddy like hello we were interviewing a woman emma something i have it on tape and all of
when we get to the crash site we go out in moment of contact right right new new revelations uh
carlos has this moment where well first of all we couldn't find the damn crash site and that was
when he finally we finally found the impact site there was a moment it's very brief and i don't
are we are we dealing with one phenomenon or are we dealing with like a whole array of phenomena
we're dealing with interplanetary interdimensional time travelers i mean look out there into the night
billions and billions of possibilities so i don't know maybe we're dealing with all the above maybe
but maybe we get periodic visitation from outside maybe interplanetary maybe interdimensional maybe
have at it i'll provide a platform earlier we got to say but like you know what i liked about
weeks ago we were getting statements for this event we're putting on the national press club because
that happened we fought like hell we had members of congress reaching out to the consulate in rio
for the application for the visa application we hired an immigration lawyer like everything we did
everything we were supposed to do absolutely correctly i'm telling you and seven got denied six seven bunch
and uh so i was of the witnesses yes of the witness the first-hand witnesses we were going to fly
i'm to dc this is all happening we're having the event anyway so i flew i flew to dc sorry i flew to
official setting flags podium looks amazing and in the process of doing that we were talking to katia
about 150 feet away and liliani realizes shit we left katya behind and katya's locked eyes on this
search and rescue operation because that's one distinction that we made that you might have noticed
because we met with and i shot from behind the family right well yeah from the family behind well
to recover that guy that we just saw that's where you do it so it makes absolute sense because i kept
saying to the family how do you know how do you know this thing was looking for we talk about how you
we went to his house because all other options people would criticize me for that one because they go
development on that so when we got to his house and everything was happening really quickly i jumped
out of the car and i was like we're gonna eric l i'm just dying to meet you were hot to try
these guys all deserve tremendous credit because we're following in their footsteps with this we
so we got to his house and i'm excited like because i'm like holy we might meet the
to have him walk up because initially he was going to show me where he lived and we were on our own
going to start flying my translators never once told me that's what was happening which is i had we
i probably would have just i don't know maybe i would have left but we got more information he
ultimately admits i am eric lopes but when we first walked up he's like if you're here to talk about the
officer it's like well we didn't ask you that but now that you mention it you know what i mean like
freaked out was we had just met with uh military x and then we were about to and then we doorstepped
eric lopes and then we were about to have a meeting with another individual that allegedly had footage
people that we just met with or that we're about to meet with now whether eric lopes got a call or not
that we just met with military x and they said oh there's a there's an american film crew uh poking
freaking this is after he filmed this is right after we filmed with him yeah and then the individual
that we were going to meet with and allegedly had footage he gets summoned at to the base
we contact eric lopes wife after the encounter where he threatened to shoot us and i might have apologized
gonna happen so then there was a a security guard that we're friends with and he's in the circle of
that he did have a gun we suspected he did you know i mean he's military please do you think he's
i never give up because look at what we've done in the last 16 whatever years right marco and i
marco was on this before i was at least 10 years so and we got the 30th anniversary
we have the new mayor mayor vers is no longer the mayor who we interviewed in the first doc
but we have the new mayor now and i met with him twice once in his office it just so happens that
the security detail for the current mayor that we met with just a couple weeks ago
was a live creature there as well definitely one dead and and very likely another one alive maybe we got
two alive ones maybe we got more maybe we got three i don't know but uh the military sorry the chief of
but where did he say he saw he says he's i don't know we talked to him i guess he saw it was that i
okay out of the blue at the time we didn't have a name for it i always do kind of broad strokes on
belgium wave you know we just all right that sounds good and we all kind of and my partner british guy very
of us know about don schmidt and kevin randall we know about roswell today is because of the research
with school functions we do you know i don't start talking about this case to people because they're
for that whole time we're trying to pin him down kept going after him kept going after him kept going
after him that's the what we do man we don't give up we get a lead and we go we go sometimes we go
for years right so anyway hold that thought i gotta take a pee real quick all right go we'll come
when did uh was he getting photographs of of like discs or like what do you know i mean do we have
any photographs that he took that we have no it all got taken okay oh benowitz was the target of a
yeah they found you know they figured out that what he didn't know was that the stuff that we were
saying we are an alien civilization our planet ran out of water we are on our way to your to
planet earth right now and we will be there in a couple years whatever we're gonna suck your well drive
They knew that the Soviets had infiltrated MUFON because they wanted to figure out what we had.
And it was like, how do we deal with this problem?
They exhibit a technology that's light years advanced for anything we've got, particularly back then.
And we don't know who it is and where they come from and what they want.
And we have more declassified documents exposing this stuff than any other time.
That's when we had MKUltra.
We went to the moon.
We weren't lying about that, though.
My next-door neighbor, we were best friends.
He was absolutely convinced we went to the moon.
And we would have these spirited debates on it.
We didn't go.
So it makes perfectly good sense that we would lie about it and stage this huge hoax
to let the Russians know, hey, we're the king of...
He goes, James, if we got off just a microscopic...
He goes, we would either hit the moon or we'd ricochet off and be on outer space.
I didn't really pay attention or have time to absorb like what we were actually doing.
They were like, we're on the surface of the moon.
We haven't slept.
We can't get to sleep.
We're not going to go to sleep.
We're putting our suits on, told NASA, put their suits on and they went to the surface of the moon.
It leaked out later because he was like, we're going to tell them I'm doing ESP, ESP, you know, connected.
And if, you know, but again, I'm not here to debate whether we went to the moon or not.
I'm just saying that I'm not sold that we didn't.
I'm not sold that we fully did because there are some discrepancies and some things that have been pointed out to me that does make me scratch my head.
We still have the crate, you know, the machine is still on the surface.
Well, we didn't.
I'm not convinced we went and I'm not convinced we didn't.
And he goes, you know, James, we had these hostile blod cameras, no viewfinder, big gardening gloves on.
That's what I would say out of, I wouldn't say that we absolutely didn't go, but I would very confidently say that that footage was cooked up and sketchy.
Like imagine, and Steve, find the video on YouTube of the lunar module leaving the first surface of the moon again, the one that we pulled up with Duncan.
Imagine that we had never gone to the moon.
You know, and we're 60, 70 feet down in a cave.
So we locked arms.
We go down there.
We went down real, did we planned it out for a long time?
We acclimated going back up again.
When I got down to the bottom, wherever we were, I looked up at how far away the surface
And we planned it all out.
We knew where we needed to stop and breathe and stop and breathe and slowly and incrementally.
We asked six other astronauts to swear on the Bible.
But we did go to the moon.
You bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.
So, you bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.
with some BBC TV and he goes, yeah, we were on the way to the moon.
We were about to see if you could find it.
And Jan Rooney, his wife, they're all, oh, Sonny, we were interested in UFOs.
They're like, yeah, we're good friends.
And we met for the first time at a restaurant called The Left Bank in Larkspur.
But so they said, we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin.
We get down to Monte Carlo.
And we're sitting down in a little cafe in the lobby.
We're having like a croissant and a coffee.
and we got invited on Larry King.
And I found out the day of we're inside the studio, the green room.
We were friends.
We were together.
We were there together.
And I was like, we're going to go on live TV.
We used to have lunch together.
They eliminated all these things, and they didn't want to say, hey, man, we're being followed by a UFO because they were worried that the mission would be scrapped.
Yes, we're flying out for this thing.
These are witnesses that we want to have this event.
to see what I go through, what we go through, what our team goes through
So we worked in conjunction with people, our contacts there.
And we got an official spot.
And we filmed, I don't know, 10 or 12 really nice, you know, 90-second,
It was like, okay, we'll get the people that got accepted, which were three.
And so then we were like, all right, well, we've got three extremely prominent.
Then we had the crash witness, Marco Carlos de Souza.
And then we have a senator, a sitting member of the Senate in Brazil,
So we've got four.
And then I've got video statements that we'll be presenting on a big screen,
And we've got like 10 of those.
And so we're putting on that event.
And then we're taking a short recess at the National Press Club at the ballroom.
And then we're having American side.
They're essentially saying, okay, we understand that the technology
I hope we can do another one.
We'll link everything below.
We'll link the, well, if there's like a link to the, by the time this comes out.