So when Jocke's LA have said that to you, wouldn't he? Yeah, because in the 80s, he got taken in by
that organization. He thinks Jocke LA is, is co-opted by the government. He absolutely did get
a CIA psychological warfare operation. I don't get that vibe from Jocke LA though. I think he's a
Yeah. Jocke LA and I were there for this retreat. Eventually Clayborn Pell, Senator Pell.