But Bob is an anomaly.
We learn new details about where the craft he worked on was actually retrieved.
I also had the honor of showing Bob legendary, never-before-seen footage of a UFO at Area 51.
Regliction sequence 5.
it's supposed to, without any spikes or crashes.
It was originally developed through a multi-million dollar Department of Defense contract for elite
I guess he was like a little scientist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Never talked about.
Maybe, but that's how fast the car went.
But the Honda Civic is not set up for the jet engine that you put on it.
Not at that point.
Not at that point.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, but it's also, you also can't talk about it because it's still, I mean, look, the government's never going to come and prosecute me.
Sure.
You know, but still classified material.
Did you, you took him to Los Alamos?
Now, I never met Dr. Teller again, but in 1988, when I decided to reenter the scientific community, I sent him a resume and inquired about a job.
They interviewed me for that.
And somewhere in the middle of it, they said, you know, we actually have a different job that we're thinking of plugging you into now.
He could be a good.
Yeah.
Higher there.
And, uh, I still thought I was at the, you know, I didn't know it.
I was at Area 51.
However you can.
Just, yeah, just do it.
Everybody would be in, you know, I mean, you always want labs and everything white in case you see a little speck of dust or a part falls somewhere.
You can identify them.
You wouldn't have, you know, wooden lamp or lab benches and things like that.
You'd probably have people in full respirator suits if they're just beginning.
But these guys had reached a point where it was nonchalant, where they were, they were touching, you know, working with this stuff.
And, um, you know, it really wasn't a thing is if they were taking apart a car engine.
So, um, they had made a lot of progress and they weren't afraid of what they were working with.
Although we were plenty afraid of the, uh, reactor.
And, and you, at no point were you like, this could be some like, you know, anti-gravity secret program that, you know, I just wasn't cleared to.
And, okay.
I mean, initially when I first saw it, I went, oh, that's what this whole thing's about.
You know, it's, it's, it's just, it's just our new fighter and it looks like a flying saucer.
So that's why people believe in flying saucers.
Um, when they take the camera and they put it in the hanger and look at it close up, it looks like it should.
Did anybody else say that going into the craft gave them an ominous feeling?
So he was monitoring.
So I thought it flew away.
Like I said, you know, clearly they've, they've had a lot of time.
No, each one was different.
Okay.
But the material all looked exactly the same.
You know, come back.
And, you know, so I think that's, you know, that's just a personal belief.
You can see other worlds.
This can go travel in another fashion and get there.
I mean, it depends on how it was being...
Because you can maneuver it in a couple different ways.
What's up?
That's good.
And I see this particular orange disc sometimes in UFO videos and documentaries.
you know the same power system or propulsion system in them um anyway i don't want to go off on a tangent
he was showing me the field on it and he said check this out and took a golf ball and you know
intending to hit the reactor and instead it bounced off the field and then hit a ceiling tile which
once the hemisphere is put back on um if the emitter is in the right position the reactor will turn on
immediately and it'll produce a gravitational field around it and you can push on it and you you can't
i've dug up showing that brown made real breakthroughs in the world of anti-gravity
interesting moment in history because we have a man who reverse engineered ufos and then we have a nasa
lead electrostatic scientist so i thought i'd just leave it to you guys to kind of nerd out yeah well
hard vacuum and you're getting measurable thrust oh we have we've been doing that since 2020 so the
last six years we test almost every day probably every other day uh different configurations or zero in on
a configuration test another concept uh and that is an ongoing iterative process so yes we have tested
high vacuum 10 to minus six or better champion get up to 10 to minus seven but enough to prove to us that
there's no ion wind what kind of thrust in newtons or grams are you getting well we're we're still
playing around in the hundreds of micro newtons or millinuton ranges so i think the highest we've gotten is
probably up to the 50 millinuton mark um but that's when we stack these together we don't learn a lot from
them when we do that other than we can make more thrust which is important um but we like to
understand the thrust density if you will of each thruster so we're trying to optimize each type um
optimize each parameter space that we have access to before we can get to larger chambers or outer space
to test the mega structures physically how big are these thrusters oh they're not very big um they're
then that's damn this is really cool we're converting bob on townsend brown yeah
also you mentioned dc voltage in the craft and that was yeah that's also a townsend brown that is high dc
yeah it's not just high dc voltage i even mentioned it on uh you know joe rogan that i i think the material
were lab notes and these this was the direction they were going in at one time
interesting uh theory of gravity which involved i guess two gravitational fields and like some of
these like sub components of gravity i wrote this down because it's honestly beyond my pay grade
well not at that time okay okay later but that's interesting that they were we'll file that away
but it's interesting that um they were following you as if you had done something wrong when you
out you know how you play with friends if you were going to rages i want to make sure yeah you know
your wife isn't running around and they don't want any stress or any anything to but then at that point
yeah at eg and g when i sat down that's that yeah it's the first thing they mentioned and what did
you say i said he's a crazy friend yeah and uh i don't remember what else but i just you know told him
called messengers of deception and he writes about you and he says um you know bob lazar seems to be
very legit but uh he also talks about this pine saw drink he drinks you know this this drink he drinks
thinks that they wanted you to come out and that they wanted uh some frameworks because to your point
it's maladaptive to have this completely shut out from like like to have a stem student who's talented
if you're talking about statements john lear made it's tough it's really tough to find out what's
what's accurate and what's not decoding the voynich manuscript or something yeah yeah but um yeah no he's
what was what were your feelings towards him kind of personally were you resentful or were you yeah how'd
look at yeah they weren't they weren't taking the legal angle at all no no which is really if you want to
enforce something like that's that's the way you yeah do it uh which is pretty wild i mean you see
these i think there you read his emails and it's like there's somebody behind him who knew exactly what
to look for and but he didn't know he was like a low level version of it and so he'll say things
you know they would say like it was it's going to take us the time that it took to build the atom
bomb to basically beat gravity and they were stanley desser and richard arnowit who were famous
about that there's another force and it's not gravity and what is the if you were to characterize
that force as distinct from gravity so gravity clearly you'd have all these other byproduct effects
about the roswell craft getting hit by lightning and crashing or something i think it's the only
are there any of these stories like like do you think that roswell happened are there any of these
being eaten by some uh animals no way yeah the body's being eaten one of them one of them from
what i remember reading and at the time there's one of them was obviously dead and it was decaying
like there was an it was clearly some animals that got to it whoa so but i hadn't heard that but the
only i would the only thing i remember about that was jesse marcel was the yes military yeah right and um
um he said when you know they came to take pictures or the pictures they took he said
that wasn't the stuff that we found whoa what general ram rammy yeah yeah he said yeah they
replaced it with he said that's not what we found well that's the guy and there's that iconic photo
and it's him with this like tinfoil-y weather balloon thing yeah yeah he claims that the material was
right off to the side of the frame it's so he said yeah that's that's not the stuff and his son who's a
air force flight surgeon said that he took the material home and he played with the material yeah
on the crazy on the kitchen table with his wife yeah and here's what's where stuff gets even crazier
and so you have this contract from 49 nobody knew what nitinol was night and all was and then in the
autopsy right yeah if in fact that was true do you think it was part of the the briefing what did what did the
photos look like i guess if you want to call it a gray something small it had a t cut in the chest and
quadulant island or something but they said the expenses would have been so great it's just impossible
anywhere interesting and they were they were looking for just let's just do something out of left field
and see what we come up with so um no i don't know again that's what made me think this isn't gravity at
attracted the way iron pushes towards a magnet it pushes away this property is called diamagnetism and
bismuth has more of it than any other stable element on earth not slightly more dramatically anomalously
introduce it into certain crystalline materials it induces what physicists call topologically
protected quantum states these are electron states so geometrically locked into the structure of the
into a single coherent state all pointing in the same direction all pushing together this was the life's
work of dr ning lee a physicist who dared to dabble in anti-gravity more specifically she worked
veronica who's been it's hard for me to see it that way because you can't imagine everything that