A strange creature was captured and then...

And now a friend.

you have alien beings, and you have all of these witnesses

and them seeming sort of injured and afraid.

And they're coming from this, you know, from Virginia, Brazil.

People took years, and in some cases, decades, to come forward.

Right? And it's not just some random Joe.

and he was, like, staring at the ceiling of the ICU,

And it's clearly, you know, he's a concert pianist.

And, um, it seems totally beyond reproach.

and he's showing the bed that the alien was on.

So, and no noise at all.

And I saw it all from right here.

and there are a number of witnesses to a cylindrical-shaped object,

and according to the witnesses, it had,

you know and uh so they see this object and it had a tear in the back of it which is very puzzling

a white vapor that was coming out the back and then it was clearly in distress and i was like

then there was another gentleman uh fabio for tata at that farm and he said that that it was make like

it was making a sound like it was kind of in trouble and then it landed on his farm it's the

here and here and then it crashed right in the middle um and then uh there was a gentleman by the

sao paulo and he was going up to go ultralight flying with his friends early in the morning

air and he never once thought alien he was like that must be some sort of weird experimental crap

the maialini farm it was a dirt road and he goes up there and he sees it struggling to stay in the air

maybe two football fields with debris everywhere half of the craft was still intact and then the

it just and again never once did he think alien now doesn't even enter his his consciousness right and um

to me he was like it's rotten eggs and ammonia he grabbed his shirt and kind of pulled his shirt over

the grass and stuff to burn and um he said it was acid maybe like an acid or something yeah like some

the ground looks different in that zone there it does all around it i mean it really does yes and um

feel it very much like the roswell people that's always what you hear yeah and he said that he could

it was weightless you couldn't feel if you had anything in your hands and then he goes he goes then

and pointed it straight down and you could see where the as a military base the route that as it

like you know what what's the problem you know just trying to help i'm not you know and that's when

station just a few miles down the road to have a coffee and trying to gather himself and that's when

very tall individuals they stood right next to me and asked me are you mr carlos de susa married to

it was perfectly clear to me listen you didn't see anything you just shut your mouth and you leave

they got in and drove away they vanished that's that's crazy because it's a level of counter intel

and it's right after you witness a crashed craft and you drive a few miles away yeah and they somehow

one person speaking portuguese and there'll be a couple other people that'll just be silent in the

direct contact with the alleged alien um and she's like they were foreigners like how do you know well

dollars in a briefcase and um and he said that they were very intimidating they said you don't you

going to get very weird for you not they're going to hunt you down and kill you they're going to get

investigated the phoenix lights case and and a lot of the witnesses hate when you say phoenix lights

there you go yeah so we're going into phoenix and uh there's these bank of lights six lights

i was working with a woman who was like a councilwoman francis emma barwood and um i was interviewing her

and i was interviewing all the witnesses and and uh there was one guy a vietnam vet and he

this guy reached out to her and i know this because i was investigating at the time i was in touch with her

over the sky you know and um and i have a cb radio and i was listening to the truckers come up interstate

shit this thing's coming right my way so he he said i i was all set up with a tripod and a camera

in an unmarked government vehicle and suits and he's like he was they were very intimidating looking

office we're here to pick up the video and he was like oh i was going to drop it off but i guess i

he said no i didn't and so they took the they took the footage and left and a couple days go by

phenomenon happening time and time and time and time again you you have another example uh which you cover

they sort of stuck the camera out from behind the bush and snapped six frames

fucking spooks they were men in black and they stood outside and the person ran speaking to them

agency threatening him like putting the blood the fear of god in this guy and yeah so if you talk to

citizen of virginia on a you know this guy who's a pilot in virginia and a geography teacher in sao

crash and i asked him i said it was the was the the section that was still intact was it big enough

it when it impacted seven days after salsa witnessed the crash jubel ladera leaves this gym when he and

seen such a large weapon and no one had ever pointed a gun in my direction you know and you have some

who is 14 years old and lilias who is 16 years old are also very frightened it's the first time they've come

had some some kind of oil all over its body it had a huge foot and its eyes were super wide and red

and possibly towards the water and then was captured with a net is that right yeah that was over the

over 20 years my partner he's amazing um and the persistence of of of of all of them and

laughed at like their life was a living hell men in black showed up at their mom's house and they got

were very intimidating to her and like so all this pressure and all this you know but i i was there

my guess and i was doing a silly tv show which i'm not proud of at all my bad but whatever it got me

we were out wandering in the in the jungle at night and i got bit by a spider oh and it was like midnight

and they had to go to an anti-venom and i was up all night getting this drip feed and then the next

got this scheduled and i was like i've been up all night man like i i'm on camera tv talent and you

and they're like no no no we don't have time we don't have time and and i was like i you know

and got out i was like you guys leave without me i'm not i need some juice i need something i need

this guy's looking at me and i think he said something english like hey are you what are you

my gosh i dated one of the girls i said really and uh we're trying to reach them we're trying to find

take you and that's how we first met whoa and so had i not been bitten by the you know what i mean

eight feet away and he was absolutely sweltering sweating profusely and it was incredibly hot

and the effect it had on his skin remember i said hey everyone look over there then he turned i saw

honestly it wasn't an animal either and so these days i truly believe it's a being from another planet

you know so the three girls run to her house and they say we saw this creature we might have been

here how did they get here and what did they see when they got here she said let's go there in the

won't you come with me so i finally got into the pickup truck and we came back we ended up stopping right

eric lopes and marco chereze drive down this road on the lookout for something unusual

into the vehicle right yep and no hesitation puts about puts it on his lap that's so wild and then he

have the autopsy of this soldier who's died because he basically grabbed an alien being and and it shows

but the founder of the company dr janini and the guy that did the autopsy on the deceased military

one who founded the company and the guy who founded the company and and and the the autopsy guys

that the that the claw from the et must have punctured the skin and it's like this he said the

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him and he died do you believe that there's some credibility to that story

people pulled back. There was just nothing to gain and everything to lose.

their lives back, you know? And, and I went downtown and I was,

Cause I was like, all right, these pop, you know, and I'd walk up

And he was like, he looked at me and he was like, dude, are you insane?

and he was like, oh yeah, I think I know.

It was like, and I remember my sound guy looks over me.

wife beater and he was just ripped.

and I'm going to rip this guy's head off.

And I said, I'm here to give your, your, your brother justice, to give your brother a voice.

And it was like, okay, let's talk.

And this is the story, the creature from outer space.

And then the, the other one, which was Marco Cherise and Eric Lopes.

when we doorstepped Eric Lopes and a lot of people, a lot of people criticize us for that.

And the co-intelligence officer, police officer, Marco Cherise jumped out and grabbed it.

And Eric Lopes basically said, I will deter you with bullets or something.

And when I was standing there trying to make sense of what was going on, because it was

He was making threats, I guess, about shooting me and shooting everybody else.

And he's got something in one hand and I don't know what, if he had a gun or whatever he had,

And I looked into this guy's eyes and I, I just saw eyes of someone that I've never,

Like if you could imagine harboring or witnessing a murder or something really intense and then

And you, and you sense that he's been threatened.

the same hospital where military police officers Marco Tresi and Eric Lopez allegedly had taken the live alien they'd captured on the road.

And what, what did the creature say to you?

And Marcos Venisis, there's a lot to that story as well.

And he did surgery on the alien being.

And Ventarelli, um, he said he was face to face with this being.

And then he looked into it and he, as a pilot in the Air Force, he said that thing could not have been from here.

And he goes, because of its size and its flight characteristics, it couldn't have been from here.

And I'm like, I think I must be dreaming. And so I'm like pinching my, I literally grabbed my leg and I pinched it. And, and I was like, no, I feel that I'm not, I'm not dreaming.

And then he starts talking about like, this is the bed. This is the ICU. I was like, holy shit. This guy's just going full Komodo. Like he's just saying the hell with it, whatever the consequences. This is what happened. I was here. I sat with it in this bed, right here in this room for three to four minutes.

And how is the situation that you feel to be sharing this information with us?

So apparently it was, uh, and, and, uh, I'm not qualified to do, you know, I'm not a neurosurgeon, but from what I understand is that there was swelling from head trauma and that he had released the pressure by putting, I guess they do a little hole or something like that where it releases the pressure.

And so.

Marcos Venesis's daughter, Marcos Venesis is, he had a mistress and he had a, he had a kid with the mistress.

And that was actually one of the reasons why the, the, the police officer, he's like, you're doing a serious investigation.

And like, you know, kind of like first time in decades.

And, um, um, and, and again, I, I think this is the beginning of the beginning on this case.

Uh, but I think as far as mass exposure, you are, you are helping them, you know, really get this thing out and you keep going back.

And so the Ventarelli thing is just fascinating.

Like, excuse me, the witnesses, you know, adamantly saying, you know, this is what I saw, particularly those, the three girls, you know, and then knowing that you sat in the hospital room in the ICU with a live captured alien and had direct telepathic communication.

And that's close kind of thrift kind.

And despite the fact that it was in captivity, it had control of the whole room.

And, you know, clearly all of the incentives go in the direction of the world.

And it was, it was, uh, it had sort of acquiesced to being in captivity and was very calm and that it was, it was okay.

And I kept saying, like, what do you mean by that?

And that you, and he said that one of the last things he said was there's so much to learn from the eyes of that being.

And, you know, you hear other cases in the wild where people talk about, you know, looking in the eyes of the creature.

And that's exactly what he said.

And then what did he say about the physical characteristics?

It was a really hot day in the summertime, January summer over in Brazil, and it was suffering.

And I saw that he was frightened.

In fact, when all three girls came into contact with that creature, two of them, the two sisters, grabbed each other by the hand and hightailed it out of there.

And Valkyria and Liliani, the two sisters, stopped and realized, shoot, we got to go back and get Katya.

And it was pleading to her, because I asked Katya, what was it saying?

And I just thought, my gosh, can you imagine how different it would have been if they'd gone with, if the girls had taken the creature and hidden, or, you know, who knows, like, given it aid or whatever.

And then, the reason why we're pretty sure that that's the same being that Dr. Italo had direct telepathic communication with in captivity is because we did all aerial photography of the area.

It was just literally two blocks away from where the two military officers, Marco Cherise and Eric Lopes captured the creature around six o'clock, something like that, about two hours later, two, two and a half.

And apparently, the doctor came out and took one look in the back seat.

And he's like, I don't know what that thing is, but get it out of here.

And so it went, it, when the women saw it, it was like brown or darker.

And it was ammonia or sulfur or some, some sort of smell.

I even went so far as to wash my nose with alcohol and water just to get rid of that smell.

And, uh, he said that the room where the, he did the performance of doing the x-rays that stank like for, they had to close that wing of the hospital down for days.

And he said it took days and it was in his sinuses.

And, um, according to the book by Roger Lear, uh, there was another creature that was alive that went under a procedure.

And Roger Lear was contacting me.

And I got to talk to you.

And, um, he goes, well, you got really angry with me.

And he goes, well, look, take my tapes.

I sent them back to him and he died.

And that was very unfortunate.

And the book was a transcript, transcription from the tapes.

And, uh, but there was one section that wasn't in the tapes that was in the book.

And they talk about a creature that was also undergoing some sort of procedure at Humanitas.

And the communication was basically like the entity saying to the doctors that we feel sorry for you, the human race, because you don't realize your potential, who you really are.

True potential and stuff like this.

God knows what he has, cause he hasn't come forward and said yet.

He, and he shot back.

He said he would testify, like, like he would, he would put his right hand on a Bible and he would take a public lie detector test.

I know, and I saw with my own eyes, an alien creature kept in captivity in this 35 second video.

And the reason why they filmed this creature without superior authorization, it's because they were pretty mad that the American militaries were coming to Brazil to take all these material.

And right now, I'm willing to put my right hand tomorrow on a Bible and take a live public light detector test that everything I'm telling you is the truth.

And then when Moment of Contact, the first version came out in 2022, that's when Peccacini came back on the radar and it was like, hey, you know what?

And so, yeah.

And that comes from you literally touching down in Virginia and on a piece of paper, like, do you know what happened in 1996?

And all of those stories line up.

And then, so that's one type of person.

And so, like, the commander at ESA is General Lima.

And then walks away.

Then the sergeant went inside, came back and said, no, but aren't you going to say anything about the case?

And that we, our unit, would be deploying, we would be moving out, heading directly to the city of Virginia.

And afterwards, we went to Humanitas Hospital.

And when I realized, I saw something completely different.

And it was always, it was like slipping between your feet.

And he had, he had, he had, he had, allegedly, according to people that tracked him down, he had a photograph of one of the things.

So now the piece we're missing is on the American side and we want to get with Humanitas Hospital.

Oh yeah. It's a great movie. And it's, it's, he just, he said, you know, this happened.

And he, and allegedly he has a photo of the ET being.

We knocked. So it was really crazy. Actually, it was just a couple of months ago. And, um, we were, we were going to doorstep him on the way to Virginia. And I say doorstep and just show up at the door. Right.

Well, as it turns out, it was perfect because we, the owner of the pizza joint, you know, gave us pizza, gave us like really good. You know, we took like an hour and we just spent a really fun time having pizza with the owner of this pizza joint near the area where we're going.

And, uh, what we did was is we, you know, we started talking to him at the door. Then we went inside and we had, we had some, we had audio. One of us had audio rolling and the guy in the car outside had, you know, our sound guy had a, you know, it was remote transmitted back to a receiver. That was just, you know, the audio.

wouldn't blink. And I'm looking over at my cameraman, Dave, and I'm like, are you getting, you know, she's just looking at him. Like, I'm thinking, does she, does she have the photograph? Like, does she, you know, I don't know. Is she worried that we're in there probing? And, and at one point we asked him, like, when things got more comfortable and he goes, I'm a, I participate, I'm a witness. He saw the creature under a tarp, maybe the bottom half or something. And then he went into, as a military base, the activity, helicopters coming and landing. He goes,

Yep. And, um, and he just died.

Yeah. Well, we talked to two witnesses. One of the primary reasons that led us to him were two people that described, he pulled the photograph out and showed it. And it had, uh, one alive, one, one deceased creature. And it had, uh, military police and a, and fire department, uh, in the picture with their faces that, you know, that's according to the witnesses that we talked to. And when I pressed him on it, and I don't want to push too hard, but I definitely pressed him on it. I've got the footage.

You, you, you, uh, there's, uh, you know, and I feel the frustration from people out there like, oh, there's not a picture. There's not a video. First of all, I never give up and I'm not giving up. I will never give up. I'm getting closer. We are, as a team are getting closer and closer and closer. And the developments that are happening are unprecedented. It's an ongoing investigation. I'm not giving up. I think this is the case that's going to blow it all out in the open. That's my humble opinion, because I can't think of a better crash retrieval case involving the Americans.

Yeah. No question. And so like, there's this, you know, you want a smoking gun? You'd be, maybe you don't have that.

And then it is what it is. It is what it is. Yeah. Um, Jose Fernandez is this, uh, air traffic controller.

They landed, collected something that no one knows what it was, then returned to Campinas, placed it inside the U.S. aircraft, and then they took off.

So it was really funny, actually, because let's back up a little bit, but a couple of years, and I was just talking to Lou Elizondo about this.

And I said, okay, sure. He goes, have you had any idea who's watching this right now?

Exactly. But I kept hearing USAAF, and I was like, USAAF, what's this guy talking?

Like they could show him the movie, show him the compelling case, eyewitness testimony, and then having the flight control.

So for the, have the United States, the USAF land in Campinas makes perfectly good sense. Like I said earlier, all the pieces of the puzzle line up, it all lines up perfectly. Like every single person, there's not been one conflicting testimony. There's been a date here and there where it's like, oh, well, maybe it was earlier, maybe it was later. We don't know, but everything else lines up perfectly.

And so, and from the U.S. to Virginia in 1996 and what came back?

I don't know. I mean, I'm not a huge FOIA guy, but I mean, the CIA, like really? And it's basically like, you know, cause I asked for records. I was thinking like, okay, so let's just like back up. Let's give it like a window of 10 days or whatever. So we know the incident happened. A lot of the sightings were on the 20th of January. So why don't you back it up a little bit?

And he goes, well, actually, I'm a colonel in the United States Air Force. I was a fighter pilot, blah, blah, blah. And he has since come forward with us. And he had a really dramatic UFO encounter in 1980 or something like that. But he was giving me guidance on like what to ask and where to ask and all that stuff. And blanket statement from the CIA. Basically, that's like either national security classified or exempt from FOIA because of XYZ.

And so they probably would have been in charge of this sort of thing. So the fact that the Air Force is forwarding this to the CIA is such a tell. CIA runs all foreign intelligence, obviously, for the U.S. Such a tell that they were involved in this case.

And he was a cool title. Amazing title. And same story. He was Air Force Electronics Intelligence. All of his stuff with, you know, his ELINT Electronics Intelligence career lines up with like I've I've had multiple ELINT people come out after this interview I've done with him saying this guy was definitely U.S. Air Force ELINT.

And this was in 1991 or two. And he was told to drink this, you know, drink and and then kind of hook himself up, like match the tones that he would hear with these headphones that this computer would would play and lock into them.

And this was really interesting. Independently, this researcher FOIA, the Air Force said, does, you know, just asking for information about Project Preserve Destiny. His name is Noah Roddick.

I got an email from someone and I could pretty much like, I could read it pretty quickly and determine, you know what I mean?

And you could kind of sift out the crazy pretty quickly.

I got this email and I read it and I just, I time stopped. I was like, Oh my gosh.

And, um, claim to have been part of the Virginia operation from Campinas. It was a USAF. He goes, I was on the flight.

This is weighed on me for almost 30 years and my family.

I didn't hear anything for about 24 hours, maybe a little longer. And this individual, this individual said, Oh, my systems were hacked. And that wasn't me that wrote that.

So, yes. And, and, but when, when this individual reached out and I have a Proton email now, which I'll provide to you, you can put it on the screen at some point.

And the feeling I had certainly from his response later was that somebody, he got a phone call, something happened, shut this down. I don't know. But it seems so authentic. Like, it seems so like this guy was really part of it. I don't know if that guy is listening to this message right now in any way, shape or form, like reach out. You'll provide the Proton email that I'll give you.

Uh, no. And, and, uh, you know, since then I, I was putting out the program and then in record time, I put out the new cut of moment of contact, nine months from concept to completion to delivery, nine months, which is a history.

Yeah. I, I was actually there for that interview. And I, I went around the country with Stephen Greer just because I was like, oh, this guy says he's got all this access to people.

And he was so paranoid at the time. Yeah. This is the nineties. Well, he was beat up. He was paranoid. And he was talking about like, it was one of the interviews that I was on Stephen Greer's anyway.

Well, cause he was a Marine, right? Yeah. And I, that's why I mentioned maybe the connection with this guy reaching out to you. Maybe there's some, you know,

And this egg shaped craft crashed into.

It was, it was buried for about a 45 degree angle and into the side of the, uh, into the, into the side of the, the, the, the cliff there, the, the, the ridge.

And it kind of like, like, like fluctuated. Like you couldn't really, when you, you'd look at it one time and then you look at it again and it would like, it's almost like, I don't know if it was like a lot of it was just changing.

Um, it was saying, uh, help me, help me. And he started to walk towards the craft and then they, they apprehended him. They beat him up.

Yeah. Now I know through experience that if I do get my hands on it and bloody well, we've gotten close, uh, I got something to worry about.

That really vivid, I had a really vivid dream where I was in, I was in Virginia and I was in a very crowded area. I think it was like a conference or we were having a screening or something and, um, lots of activity, lots of things. And some gentleman walked up to me and he handed me a thumb drive and he just slipped it in my pocket and he just looked at me and he kept walking. I was like, shit, I've got, this is, this has to be the footage. Right.

It should, it should always be like, okay, what actually happened? And then there's beyond that, there's speculation as to what those things are.

Like UAP is supposed to UFO. And I like UFO better than UAP.

But, you know, and I, okay, over the decades I've gone, you know, you look at what they do and that's pretty compelling, but then you look at what they don't do because all they'd have to do to, to reveal their presence openly would be to hover over the next Superbowl.

Pretty bold, pretty bold stuff, you know, but then you look at Travis Walton and it's like, well, they clearly, if you're, if you're going to take, if you're going to take the account of seven witnesses, you know, at face value.

They got back in the craft and left. Like they didn't want to have contact. They didn't want to have communication much more than anything, whatever happened when he looked into the eyes of these creatures. So they're in on the secrecy as well.

Zip around in the sky with a little airplane falling around it. And then the thing lands. And then the kids run over and a handful of the kids see it sitting on the ground within 10 feet. That's a pretty bold move. I would say.

I know that the government, I say, no, I feel very comfortable. The government has got very definitive evidence about this, you know, bodies and craft and all that stuff. I just, I don't know what they know.

And this individual was like, and I believe me, I trust this individual.

But, you know, and I said, well, so like how many people know what you know? He goes, about 30.

And, um, I looked over and Leslie Keen was watching me have this conversation, you know, this is recently,

She goes, I didn't want to interfere. And I'm like, just about, so I was like, well, what, well, um, it's like, well, what, what, what, uh, what's the intent?

And I'm sitting there like, oh, like, I don't know if I would have gotten it or not.

I don't, I don't either, you know, and that's, that felt like the framing of the age of disclosure, like there, you know, that there was some sort of, um, you know, they were prepping the battle space and they care about our nuclear assets because it's just like, we would do ISR on a foreign adversary or whatever. You want to know what they're working with.

But like, I don't, I don't believe that. And I don't, I don't think that should be people's a priori biases going in, especially if that's their first touch point towards, you know, the phenomenon.

You know, it's always like, you know, you guys are doing harm via like, you know, these environmental catastrophes that could be some sort of deception where they're trying to clamp down and control us. Who knows? But I think, I think knowing that they're bad somehow. I mean, this, this thing's been, whatever's been going on, it's been going on for a long time. I think well before Roswell, well before Magenta in the thirties.

But I, the, I mean, and you'll hear things like, oh, they activated the nuclear sequence.

And I'm sure a lot of you have heard it, but I was like, well, wow, it's amazing.

And he's like, yeah.

Because he was very measured and every word was carefully crafted.

Because he's going to be very methodical, measured, and, like, not panic and do the wrong.

And, and, and Solace.

Most of those guys who are in Bob Hastings' amazing book, UFOs and Nukes, say that that's what they, you know, they're like, we don't know.

We're talking between September of 66 and March of 67, we lost 30 missiles to UFO activity.

Well, I was at this event and, uh, and, and I was with Leslie and there were all these men in suits and she's like, Hey, there's, there's guys are from the agency.

And I, I didn't assume anything.

And I've had people on the inside ask about you.

And he was just like, okay, I guess you love this Jesse guy.

Like you're just incredible the way you're putting the piece of the puzzle together and like doing deep dives and all these different aspects.

Oh, people like Jeremy Corbell and Ross Colthart, a huge debt.

And I don't, I, and I, so many people, Oh, I heard you're going on.

I re I really meant the, the world to me and, and, and Joe's become a good friend.

and right now is like, you know, I really like to see more kindness

Because, and there are all these people who I went into this world thinking,

And they're trying to get the information.

level thing and then Rogan obviously wants to get low level.

Earnest and cool and smart and have like some sort of working worldview around this thing

his own, just really vigilante desire to like, get a lot of this stuff out and in any way

I want to talk about just, uh, a compendium of incredible historical interviews and interactions

But no, but I interviewed him and he told me about when he was taken in at Fort.

In any case, he said that he'd heard that there were some bodies and they went in and they

And he said, I'm going to go away.

I went back and there was five crates there, like five or six.

Then I looked at this head and all.

So like an intelligence business, I just better put it in the back of my head here and wait

case that took place in 1997 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it was a scene because we had

And why would you fly?

And they sent him to an agency knowing that agency didn't have anything.

And then boom, this guy, you know, Philip Corso, who apparently, according to him, and

And that there were a lot of discrepancies in the book that he was upset about.

And he was surrounded by all these news reporters.

And I was like, you know what?

And then the next day I found out where he was staying, what hotel he was in.

And I went to the room and, oh, we were expecting you.

Like, I was like, so we sit down and we do an hour and a half long interview, whatever

And, um, and then Michael Hessman arrives.

And apparently he had scheduled the interview that I got with Corso, but he showed up late.

And as it turns out, he was all flustered and he was late and he had no sound gear.

And he talked about why he's coming forward, because it was grandkids.

And I remember thinking, because there was a lot of controversy after he died and he was no

And I think I still believe him to this day.

And he goes, I saw the bodies like he looked like a little kid, big head, big eye, you know,

And, you know, I've seen beings in Peru that are skeletons with three fingers and the three

And they carbon date to between 800 and 1700 years ago.

So, so one of them has a, a, a, a fetus with three fingers and three toes in it.

And they have elongated heads, but they didn't undergo any head binding.

And didn't Dave Grush say that some of the craft recovered were archeological digs or something like this?

I got contacted by him in 2009 and I don't think I was ready for what he told me at the time.

And they said, uh, uh, Mr. Bigelow wants to congratulate you on a job well done for, I know what I saw.

I looked up Bigelow and I kind of knew who, you know, I was like, oh, wow.

And, uh, we had lunch together at his house in Las Vegas.

Like, you know, the implications and they're so vast impacts on organized religion and this and that.

You know, and he's talking about that.

And they're walking among us.

And he goes, what do you mean?

And then it would be funny if they were like right here, you know, and maybe they are, you know, and maybe they are.

And so maybe that's happening with the beings themselves.

And I, and I want you guys to understand, like, I don't put something out into the public.

And not like that, but it's like, once I pay back my investors, I always put my films on free platforms.

I, I was at the airport a couple of years ago and I was flying to Arizona for a conference or something.

But what, what is, did you, did you probe Bigelow more and you say, what did you, you know, what'd you mean exactly by.

And, but as time went by and I learned more about the phenomenon, I started thinking, shit, man, maybe he's right.

And I've never said that.

And he said, I don't know if he thought I was trying to deceive him, you know, like he knows, but he just doesn't want to talk about it.

And so I, I had, I did all the, uh, subtitles in the film and I did it at my pacing cause I'm a slow reader. And I always frustrates me when I'm watching a film with subtitles, when they come on too fast, I'm like, nah, you're going too fast. Slow down.

And he's like, uh, he goes, no, no, that's not what you saw. What you saw was super natural.

And then the other guy that I worked with the Boris, he changed it to have them both come on at the same time. And I went, no, no, no, no, no, no, Boris. That was intentional. I want that word. Cause it's memorable, right?

um, like osmium and cadmium implants, like on their heads. And, you know, I was just, I was playing around. I was asking cheap chat GPT, you know, what these things might be adaptive for.

Yeah. Bruce Maccabee. He wrote FBI, UFOs and the FBI or something.

Because there's some kind of weird field around the propulsion we feel that causes a slight distortion. And so you'll always get slightly fuzzy edges and all that stuff. I was like, wow.

Yeah. And, uh, you know, tip my hat to, to Dan Farah and Lou Elizondo. That was an exquisite accomplishment. Everyone can criticize how a film's put together, but trust me as a filmmaker myself, uh, I think that's going to help move the needle.

So, um, I'm, I'm excited about the times. And I feel like Moment of Contact, New Revelations of Alien Encounters, I don't know, the timing seems to be perfect because, like, Dan Farah's film, Age of Disclosure with Lou Elizondo, is kind of everything that our film isn't.

One's top down and one's bottoms up.

And so the fact that it came out and then like, you know, six weeks later, we're dropping this one, I think the timing's gonna be perfect.

It was literally, the whole thing was just a bureaucracy because you have, you have a guy who's had dementia. Yeah. Who? And so then you're like, who's actually running? Oh, is it Jake Sullivan? Maybe his chief of staff? And then like, what's he up to? We didn't elect him. Like, what's the deal? So the most dismissive.

And, um, yeah, I, I, I, you know, pray for her. It takes unconventional to get this stuff done. It does. So, um, but she doesn't like Clapper, um, because she says that Clapper was involved in Russiagate and this whole kind of, you know, um, planting stuff on Trump's calling him a Russian asset or whatever. So I guess what I would say to the current DNI is like, okay, like, do you want like Clapper or any of these guys eating your lunch on this very important issue? Or do you want to get in front of the DNI?

And he stood up for Lou Elizondo and I'm very grateful for that. But I asked him this question.

And he just goes, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to take it on head on. Like, don't be afraid to admit

actuality, and I even interviewed the former governor of New Mexico, who was a Democrat,

Are, it's become their like number one issue and they are going on podcast tours.

Exactly right. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah. No, they're getting notoriety and people

you know, so much and I know what I know, whatever.

And that happened like way later. And then project mogul, like project mogul is like later

about it, you know, it's like, and it's just, I've had it. Like, could you just please, can we

is not the time to let up as much as I want to go spend more time with my family. And I do believe

my, my whole career has kind of culminated to this moment right now. And I feel like we all as a

from his moon, you know, excursions and he was just completely adamant that, uh, alien life is

Yeah. And he goes, and I talked to the people that subpoenaed him.

So if you want to waste my time and yours, let's go.

close. I mean, I was, I would call him all the time for advice and he participated. I was

and I was also friends with Buzz Aldrin's sister, Faye Ann Potter, very close. I used to

landings and all the stuff. And she would tell, she said that the NASA authorities said that

the moon and they shot off into the space, they were going to, they would have something

came out and anything happened to him, Buzz was not supposed to play the hero. He was supposed

Michael J. Collins. Michael J. Collins. Yeah. And so she, she told me that, she also told

And you said, I want to interview you about UFOs. And then he goes, what did my, what would

and I got great detail. And could I have been deceived? Sure. I could have been, but I think

Palmar Observatory, which is the most prominent observatory. And this was between 1949 and 1957.

forties and early fifties. And they're in geosynchronous orbit. And so you, you, yeah.

earth, do you just encounter tons and tons of UFOs? And if you look at Bluegill triple prime,

I'm so glad you got to him. Isn't that wild? And he said he was holding the pieces,

you actually encounter just a UFO. And then you have, okay. Another one.

to go to the moon? I closed my eyes and I listened to every, every detail.

I think the presentation of the first Apollo mission was clearly manicured and sanitized.

about all this like imagery and dah, dah, dah?

And like, and he goes, that wouldn't surprise me, but he goes, I walked on the moon.

in the tens of thousands, if not more. And not one person from high level at NASA.

he like did this whole review and he, you know.

with the program itself, but there are, there are people who were, and there's the Gus Grisham

There's some weird facts and you could, you know, if you think that the UFO program is involves

I, you know, I think we attempted and then like, you know, I did there's to me.

And I was asking him about the moon landing stuff and he's like, well, you know, and

And I'm not going to sit there and say, I'm, you know, I know what I'm talking about.

And then you have, um, John Podesta, who is Clinton's chief of staff and, you know,

UFOs and to the point where he said, if you don't do it, I'm going to, I'm going to publish,

And they picked Roswell cause Roswell, obviously if it happened, right.

And then Podesta basically entered a, you know, multi-decade long personal search for this

Well, they're, they're emails that have since been deleted between him and Tom DeLonge.

And it's him, uh, meeting with a guy named Bob Fish, who, um, I think might've worked at

funded research and development center think tank.

And, and you, to this day, you cannot use the freedom of information act on fast walkers.

And, um, and the defense support program, the DSP is the air force's outermost defense

And that's where they're detecting these fast walkers.

And so, and so you have the Malmgren thing where you puncture the Van Allen radiation

And, uh, general, uh, general starbird, um, he was there flew back to headquarters at

And all, all of this is like public.

And you have this kind of public fight between, um, uh, you have on the one hand, Jeffrey

Uh, and then, and then you have this other video where it looks like there's a white triangle

Merrick and D Dean Johnson versus the.

Uh, I was thinking to myself and this is just me speculating, whatever I was thinking

And Lou Elizondo said he saw that footage.

And I'm like, will you get that thing out?

And then, and then when I talked to a buddy of mine, apparently somebody went in and they,

And, uh, you know, that stuff is alive and well.

Give it like, if the presidential executive order say everything you know and let's,

And like, you know, like I said earlier in the show, if you don't believe Lou, if you

He says, literally, give me blanket immunity and I will say everything I know.

Where and why can't I get the specifics to verify those claims?

to reveal everything I know that I learned from my investigations, both unclassified and

If I could be waived from that or absolved in some fashion by presidential order and if

And this type of evidence, you can't come by in the open literature.

And there's alien bodies.

And it's stark.

And that...

And guess what?

And there was kind of a takedown of the...

He was LBJ, JFK, Nixon, and Ford, you know, presidential advisor.

His mentor was Richard Bissell, who was founded Area 51 and was the deputy director of the CIA,

And I think there are different Q clearances you can have.

So you could hide these SAPs and WUSAPs under the Department of Energy?

And he said in a 2024 interview before he interviewed with me that his work at the IDA was actually a cover for what he was doing for the National Security Council in the White House.

And this is over here.

You're putting the pieces and they're all, it's all painting the picture.

Like, I'm doing it in my little way and you're doing, you know.

And, you know, I'm not out here screaming E.T. from the hilltops.

So I'm just going to criticize you and I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to, you

UFO files and stuff like that.

And I was like, you know, you know, you're going to draw the conclusion after all the

And he's like, you know, James, I can't part my hair without the approval of the DOD.

But I was in the skiff and, um, it was just like in the movies, you know, I went in, I

And then I had to go through all the security, take everything off and go through all the,

And you walk up to it and one side opens and you step in and then that closes and another

And then I go to a locker.

locker and, you know, and then we went to a big door with a thing and, you know, just

And they walked me in there and I was just like, oh my God, this is crazy.

I had this badge and I was like, I really want a picture of this badge.

And then there was like a door on my right and a door on my left.

And they said, Hey, wait right here.

And I had this open door on my left and I couldn't help myself.

And then, uh, and then John Koskowski with another guy from OSI came and, and met with

And then we went inside there and that's when we had, I don't know, maybe a 30 minute

Cause I was like this case and this case and this case.

I was like, hey, you know, and, uh, and I don't even own the phenomenon anymore and none

But, um, but I gave it to Joe Rogan and, uh, you know, really appreciate.

Jacques Follet and one other guy from his team, we always great, man.

And super fulfilled and like humble and just kind and generous.

Like I was going to the bathroom and I paid for the meal.

And, uh, and, and came back and he, you know, after like 20 more minutes, he's like, hey,

And Joe looks over at me.

And two or three days later, I could, everyone's blowing me up.

And it was just so, it was so, it's so nice of him.

And I was like, oh, and he goes, let me tell you, man, I was really down on my luck and I

And he goes, I, I was, I was on to take Joe to someplace and I got the address wrong

And I, you know, 15 minutes longer than it should have been.

And he's got all this stuff going on.

And Joe's like, Hey man, wait here.

He gave him some huge tip and he goes, that saved my life.

And I heard.

how Joe would do a random act of kindness and generosity, help people.

And, and, uh, yeah, he's so generous.

And she was like, the only guy that called me was Joe Rogan, you know?

And he really does sincerely care.

And I say the same thing.

And it allows like more, you know, I find, I think I'm sort of this niche, like, you know, compared to.

And I just like, that bothers me because I'm friends with all, you're cool and you're a nice person.

We're really close and tight.

You're, you're like this avatar that like, you know, you're some evil, like, you know, and you're not actually just like this full dimensional.

When you meet them, like, I always say like, like I've said some things very rarely and particularly not publicly, but I said, I said this, you know, to this person's face.

I'm not going to sit there and like, Oh, he said this.

And like, Hey, all you can do is go back and make an apology.

And I feel like if I violated that trust, I wouldn't get in the door with these people.

And I made them the promise that I wouldn't.

And they were like, don't take that further.

Um, I, I think the, uh, I think the Holman landing footage exists and I've talked to a

Well, because I was investigating Socorro and that happened in 64, April 24th, 1964.

And in the process of investigating, I was reading all the articles.

And, um, she had talked about, uh, this landing at Holman.

And apparently she was a respected journalist.

And I was looking at it like, Hmm.

Uh, the two guys that made the film, uh, UFOs past, present and future, Emma Nager and

And then of course that led me to Colonel William Coleman, who had that dramatic encounter,

And I started poking around and started as a side investigation.

I digitized them all and they're all digitized.

And I'm going to, and I'm going to put them all out there for free for everybody.

Three came in over the base, two peeled away, one came down and landed.

Um, and, uh, he thinks it was our technology, our flying saucers that we had, and they dress people up to look like aliens as a staged event.

And it was filmed on a tripod, which means they anticipated it coming.

And he said they were met with a bunch of, uh, military base commanders in uniform, got into a Jeep off.

And that it was, uh, that's what he thinks.

And then of course I'm talking to other people that have subsequently, since then, particularly

Well, we could go back and forth all day, man.