Nevertheless, the federal government has a responsibility to the American people to investigate and provide transparent disclosures about every incident.
The federal government is equally obligated to protect those who report what they've seen, especially to commanding officers and supervisors.
Thank you very much, Madam Chairman, ranking members, for allowing me to sit with you on this panel today.
I'm honored to be able to introduce a witness here who is from my district, George Knapp, who has been the definitive expert and reporter on this topic that you're exploring today, UAPs or UFOs.
Over the years, George has been, as I said, recognized for his work.
He's been honored with the Peabody Award, the DuPont Award, the Edward Murrow Award, and 27 different regional Emmys for his investigative reporting.
Aviation and maritime safety.
When crews and watchstanders observe objects that maneuver or accelerate in ways that does not match known profiles and do not do so near our ships and aircraft, that is first and foremost a safety issue.
Congress can help by reinforcing witness protection and by directing the relevant office to maintain confidential destigmatized channels for service members who step forward with data.
Declassification and transparency where possible.
And it's an important one.
I'm proud to be here alongside these witnesses today, men who have seen strange things and stepped forward to tell the world about it.
Mr. Knapp, just in the name of time, to my understanding, did you have anything you wanted to submit for Congress to see in this committee?
I have submitted those documents.
In addition multiple agencies attempted phishing attacks to assess what I had divulged to the inspector general including being asked to disclose details of my IC IG complaint during a CI polygraph for a position unrelated to UFO UAP matters as recently as November 2024.
As I sit before you today I am many other whistleblowers have no job prospects no foreseeable professional future in a nation every single one of us came forward to defend.
And we are sorry about how you've been treated and we will make sure that we try to rectify that situation.
Thank you ma'am.
We strongly urge Congress to continue its historic tradition of championing the rights and protections of all whistleblowers.
Thank you again for the opportunity to testify here this morning.
He was either not present or did not want to meet me that day.
However, they did classify information about the reality of this subject.
It was very concerning because in my Arrow MFR they had actually referenced a former staff member that was the one who told me to go there and they probably shouldn't have done that.
Real quick before my time is up and we might go to second round of questioning just so you're all aware.
How important given everything that you've seen and experienced is the UAP Disclosure Act of 2025 in restoring both public accountability and trust?
I think very important.
I would hope though that the seven year window could be shrunk, my opinion, but very important.
The truth needs to be known.
Thank you very much.
I now recognize Jared Moskowitz of Florida.
Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
Thank you for allowing me to wave on to the committee.
I remember, you know, the last committee when we had a bunch of former military personnel folks that either served on bases, were pilots, or were in different programs experiencing knowledge.
Nusitelli.
Nusitelli.
They reported that the weather station reported no balloons or aircraft, nothing on radar, no aircraft inbound or outbound.
So I got that notification.
Someone would see a light.
They would pay attention to the light.
It would.
The other things.
In addition to that, what lessons from these oversight failures should guide Congress in approaching UAP oversight?
Generally speaking, we would advise this Congress to ensure that agencies adopt general policy in favor of disclosure,
Can you speak to how whistleblowers have historically helped Congress uncover the truth in other areas and how that might apply here?
Absolutely.
What flew over Washington, D.C. in 52, is that ours, too?
Well, there were.
The first thing that happened — when I talked about this after getting back and going through the files and things and sifting through it —
It cannot.
I think our federal government has a history of destroying records.
Thank you.
I encourage everybody to look and seek his testimony.
I want to thank the people that came in our first hearing.
that the public hasn't been allowed to see.
that.
He said this craft, we had managed to get inside of it.
One study found that whistleblowers expose fraud at more than twice the rate of third-party
auditors.
So, Mr. Spielberger, what are some of the best examples of whistleblowers exposing fraud
That can have grave implications, not just for a whistleblower, but also their ability to seek legal counsel and defend themselves against retaliation.
And when we look at the past several months of this administration, unfortunately, we've seen a really systematic approach toward dismantling the nonpartisan civil service.
Thank you, Ms. Chairwoman for holding this hearing. Thank you to the witnesses for appearing. In the effort of transparency here, I got to admit to the witnesses that growing up, I really never believed in UFOs or any of this stuff.
I always thought it was a little kooky and whatnot. But after hearing your testimony from honorable service members watching videos like my colleague, Mr. Burleson, just presented, I got to admit, I've become a believer.
Some of the launches we were doing were, like, $5 billion projects that had taken, like, 10 years to develop the technology,
and these objects were coming right up to the launch pad.
So any kind of mistake, I mean, it could cause a catastrophe.
Right.
So it's very confusing why these objects would be operating in and around our bases or during training exercises.
But would lend you to believe that the U.S. government had no – had nothing to do with whatever it is you saw?
Correct.
They wouldn't want it there because it would potentially interrupt the proceedings at the time.
Was there an after action?
Was there a discussion by your command?
Was there an investigation, pretty significant activities that you were involved in?
Was there an investigation that you know of?
We conducted investigations in real time.
Right.
And we documented all the evidence.
But as far as anything from higher up, I don't know if there was an investigation done.
No information came down on what we should do to do.
Were you ever interviewed at someone else's request?
The question is, how do you verify their claims before deciding they're credible enough to report on?
Not to my knowledge, no.
Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAP-SAP Federation?
That could work as long as I'm legally allowed to and you are legally allowed to receive it.
I know you had, I think, mentioned a Thread 3 program, but also alleged in those documents, I got through maybe half of them last night.
There's a lot, and I don't speak Russian, contrary to what my people might allege.
Okay.
For me, yes, sir.
Mr. Nesitelli, you saw this by yourself?
Was it hard for you to get permission from the Navy to bring that video?
Yeah, and I can imagine this is – to me, the validity of this document is underscored by the fact that Russia would not want this to be known.
They absolutely would not want the public to know or the United States to know that there was a vulnerability in their missile systems.
Mr. Knapp?
What would that proof look like?
A piece of kryptonite?
You know, I was in some of the weddings.
These are people that I worked with every day of my life.
The two square objects were at least as large as a football field.
And we're going to be scrappy about it.
I'll pass.
I can tell you that specifically for where I represent in Pinellas County, Tampa Bay, and Florida as a whole,
there's many sightings and many questions, people reporting this, but I'm not the only one.
within to submit materials and additional written questions for the witnesses,
which will be also forwarded to those witnesses.