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And you have, you know, different sides saying things that are mutually exclusive.
And truth, it never collapses into true or false.
And I'm really excited to do this because, Eric Weinstein, you probably need no introduction when it comes to kind of a general audience.
And then Eric Davis, you definitely need no introduction in UFO space,
And so very excited to have you both today.
And then part two, and this is why we have you here, Dr. Weinstein, is I want to figure out,
and this is kind of actually a follow-up on this thing we did with Hal Puthoff last time,
And so I'm very excited to speak to you both.
And how did you become aware of it, and how are you so high confidence in it?
And I was the director of aerospace physics and astrophysics research at NIDS.
And I was hired in July of 96 along with Colin Kelleher and George O'Nett.
And John Alexander was already there on the staff, also served as a member of the science advisory board.
So I worked for Air Force Research Lab after NIDS and before Hal Puthoff hired me at AirTech.
Okay, so then during my work at AFRL and then during my 15 years working with Hal Puthoff,
And then later on, the separate attempt called ATIP,
and then the UAP task force that Jay Stratton led.
And using my security clearances, my need to know, my access,
I used all that leverage and authority to get into the crash retrieval program.
and got confirmation that all of that was real, that all of it happened.
And what's your conviction level in, say, Roswell, for example,
And it wasn't in Roswell, New Mexico.
This landed at a ranch at Corona, New Mexico, and the rancher turned it over to the airport.
and sent to Wright Field, Ohio, for further inspection.
and then Admiral Wilson coming back and verifying that the Roswell crash,
And it crashed on the Foster Ranch in Corona, New Mexico.
And then there's my work with Dave Grush when I was at the Aerospace Corporation.
but there was a peripheral body of a thousand people that contributed some of their time and labor and resources
and the other government agencies, DOD agencies, intelligence agencies, to feed information to the task force.
It's just that it's something that Eric and I had lots of hours and hours of conversations about two years ago.
And it always seems like there's somehow this tight-knit group of people who, in general, themselves don't have direct proof,
And people build entire theories about the names of crafts and who was where.
And I just have no idea as a civilian and a technical civilian how to think about this,
And it's also how conspirators get people not to work on conspiracy theories that could work,
is that you demonize and stigmatize the behavior.
So I usually would prefer in this situation to just decamp and assume the nature of all of these.
But just to be honest, and it just needs to be said once,
And I would say, I was clearly wrong about it.
And so many people seem to have it, but they all seem to be under some kind of an NDA,
And again, I don't want to—
The lithium-6 fuel and the primary—
And so I have an idea from plenty of sources that this program exists.
And what's more, in the case of atomic weapons,
And in general, people are willing to talk, you know,
We called in Feynman and Bohr and Fermi and von Neumann
and put them under Robert Oppenheimer and Teller and all these cats.
And Bethi and…
And Beta, right?
that moves and breaks the laws of physics and all this,
you said that Eric, you, me, and Hal Puthoff
And I said, I'm not on this.
And von Neumann and Feynman and Beta and Fermi is Hal
But are you and Hal our Manhattan Project?
and I do want to actually continue along the former lines
And so you have, you know, your physics PhD,
So it's you two and then Eric,
and has his own physics theory of everything.
And so it's all three of you guys,
and you're saying there are no theoretical physicists
but who I investigated and interviewed leadership
and a few of the worker bees involved.
And nuclear in aerospace industry
is fission, fusion, and matter-antimatter annihilation.
And even as recently, unfortunately,
And he got hired straight away
and unclassified discussions.
And I brought these questions up.
And the answer is,
who have need to know and access
And if you're not on that list,
waived and bigoted special access program.
And so I said,
and applied physicists telling you?
And that's it.
And it's limited to engineering.
And, you know, it's like saying,
and we have the finest accountants,
and cardio trainers.
And you're like, well,
what about violinists and violists
and anybody playing the French horn?
And it's like, oh, well,
and you know what
and nuclear engineers.
And they were involved
and manufacture.
and they keep it very small
and the Manhattan Project
And also note
and what they're doing.
And the central,
and Oppenheimer
And there's not really
And essentially
and unclassified conversations.
CIA, DS, and T.
And that was
And who is Jim Ryder?
Space and Missiles Company,
And his dual hat job
And I wasn't allowed
the name and organizational
And so they were not
and you are saying
and I don't recall
And we had
And even us,
and so where was I going?
and Bush got confirmed
and he became
and Bush said,
and a gangway
and down comes
and meets with them
and they go
and that hangar
and this story
and he and Alan Hynek
and see that film,
and see it.
and apparently
and convinced them
Belay and Hynek
and presentation
and Lekatsky's
And then, uh,
and then out
and I think he's got
And then Lou Elizondo's
And so I think
and that's why
And if you're Stratton
and you,
And so,
He and Lekatsky
It was Jim and Jay
and their support staff.
the DIA and,
and contractor staff
And then,
And then the subsequent
And that has to be.
and co-opt it
And I don't think
And as a matter of fact,
before and after
And it just didn't go anywhere.
and fully operating
and transmission
and other advanced
and evaluate it,
And we could see
And you're saying confidently
and Lockheed Martin people.
would go up and down,
would go up and down.
and they'd have,
And then the budget
and they got to go
and whatever.
and Admiral Thomas Wilson.
and apparently
and it is this,
and it was
and you have to go
and so he was
and I knew them.
and the other one
And so at least
and he's expressing
And he's saying
and they have
and progress
and cumbersome
and that's possible.
And so,
and then a standard
and some innocuous words.
And this could be
our money on and where.
And when they ask,
and it happened.
And so,
And by the way,
and it shows the name
and the guys
and he asked him
and the guys
And they said,
like this and praying.
And he was praying
and maybe to
and our defense
and Rick Doty,
and it turns out,
and by the way,
and then it's just gone.
and he said,
and they basically
And then the CIA
and they all meet up
and they all start
so forth and so on
And so they're going
And they're going
and this terminology
and whatnot.
And they all agree on it
and they said,
And we collectively,
And that's what you see
And it was said
and Bill Moore.
And Admiral
And Air Force Colonel
and Jamie Shandare,
and that gets
And then
the 30s and today?
between 10 and 15
And not all of them
And so,
And as a matter of fact,
and 80s.
and one from TRW.
and where they're located
And why,
and then
and that was released
and that was
And unfortunate
and I guess
My wife and I did
Yeah, and the arts parts
And Hal and I
And there was nothing there.
And so
And whenever
And you've written
and replicable
and not?
and now we've advanced
and condensed matter physics
And so,
And what do you think
And this is one of the only times
and perhaps the only time
And on the other hand,
And I just helped put off knew him.
And he had a lot of clearances
And so he was an academician
and he had clearances.
And he's working on classified stuff
and general relativity.
And if somebody has access
and they predicate manufacturing on it
and then we get the gifts
And so I'm just going to begin
and again,
and it walks
and that's just
and we could expect
and interstellar missions.
and please correct me
So then you and I
and again,
And again,
and non-catastrophic.
And I could imagine
and it'll be really expensive
and home,
and we accept that
and that there's something
And they're using that.
and my research interest.
And so I don't,
and the Schwarzschild
And I would rather
and I could look at it
and say,
And there are none of them
and their efforts
And he names
and the Institute
And he names
And it sounds like
And this is broadly
And it's a story
and Roger Babson,
And again,
And they're both fitted
And they find
and John Wheeler
and set him up
And then the other one,
and found something
and it has Sheldon
and we always talk
And...
And you and I
and I'm already familiar
And then the trail
And I could never
and I went to an APS meeting.
and I ran into...
and benefits.
And so they've got
and they had the APS historian.
And I brought that up
And Bob Forward
And this is before
and general relativity
And the APS historian
and grand unification,
And N equals 8 supergravity
And then right up
And this is where
And Tojit
And basically,
and says,
And years later,
and Ben Horowitz.
And they're sat down
and told,
and we're gonna cocoon them
And Andreessen
and Horowitz are sitting there
and Horowitz says,
and you can't classify math.
And of course,
And you'll recall
And literally,
and made them state secrets
and you do
And it comes
And we're backfitted
and that group
And it's very clear
And this issue
and it causes them
And so we're 42 years
and forced to submit
And...
And you don't see that.
And he says,
and he says,
and fix string theory.
And he said,
And Dyson said,
and I want you to tell me
And Dyson said,
and you do it all
at it and said,
and I believe
and he had the assignment,
And he did it.
And he did it
and discarded
and declassified.
and reassembly.
and 46
and the government
And I think
and calling attention
and we become
And I guess
and general relativity
and we don't have
And it's supposed
and the like.
And they devote
their time and energy
And I think most people
and pure mathematics,
And it's just very vertical
and there's no mercy.
And you pretty much know,
and you'd ask,
and you find that
and what modern geometric
and we can track
And in the current
And the only exception
and you don't come out of
And it's got
And it has the resources
And SUNY Stony Brook
and a physics presence
And yet,
and wormholes
and I just said,
And I haven't been able
and get on a track
and the standard model,
and principles of physics,
and the observer.
and information theory
And so it's a way for us
points, and manifolds.
and you're trying to figure out
and tensor networks
and elementary particles
And I just don't know
and I want to be clear
And what I'm looking at,
and build wormholes
and the black hole in the model
And all of these things
and by the third time
and this constant times
And they say 71 degrees,
and you say,
And then the person thinks,
and the ceiling
and where you are
And that idea
and variable dark energy.
and again,
And one of them
and turning it
and a trace reversal
and one component
and put them,
and you lose
and black holes
and all this kind of stuff.
and event horizons
and then we're going
and we're going to say
and this is Thorne's,
and I don't endorse it.
and you're going
and that's what
Earth and Sirius,
soul, and Sirius
or Earth and Alpha Centauri,
and you know
and you can represent
and navigate
And by wanting
And they've also said,
And...
here and there
And then you have
and, you know,
And that would be
And it will reduce
and I'm trying to figure out
electric and magnetic fields
And then you say,
And then you plot out
in the E and B fields
the vector and scalar,
And you say,
And you throw it away.
And then you're left
And that's just
And so,
and that's
And that doesn't
And on the other
and they're
first and second
models and they've
And then there's
And fringe
And they get
about and heard
And then the
particular things and
solenoid and noticing
electrodynamics and him
Josephson junctions and
this idea of vector and
and the derivatives of
the vector and scalar
And so theoretically in
And I believe Hal has
extended electrodynamics and
And do you know
Louis Desharro and
And I know Larry.
And the thought is the
And this disease, uh, if the
transformation and then you
part that works beautifully and
potentials, A and B, you'd get
and G inverse B G plus G inverse
them and the two diseases kill each
other and go away.
And you have two terms left over G
inverse A G and G inverse B G added
thought it was the E and the B
picked over and come and totally
makeup and without fancy clothes, right?
And so if somebody says, I want to hire
Colorado Springs, and he has a colleague
And then there's another guy, I think,
So there are a few of these guys, and
gravity wave A and gravity wave B?
for Kimber Meyer Company, and they were
talking about, and he's this garbled version of this.
and that he just happened to be in a sensitive location,
and that he's saying something,
He says there's gravity wave A and gravity wave B,
and you most likely think of gravity as gravity wave B.
That's the long-range stuff with stars and planets.
and you associate it with the strong nuclear force.
And he says this thing about QCD,
And so the idea is going to be that somehow,
with the ability to actually do something with space and time.
what is geometry and topology for physics,
and I can't remember who the author of that book was,
And that thing generates the Pontryagin class,
and that he was hanging around water coolers,
and he was hearing crazy stuff,
and that it's a mix of bullshit and something.
and has not changed his story since 89.
and he worked at the Unclassified Logistic Support Facility
And McCarran is right across the street.
And his job is to check those badges every day
and associate QCD with two sectors,
a Yang-Mills sector and a Pontryagin sector,
and that the Chernvape representation
and zero-point what the source of energy
position to position and momenta.
and it's the curvature tensor
and it looked pretty intelligent,
and I like where you're going here.
of measuring length and angle
and six protractors.
through time and space,
and I want to say also
and imagine that you could find
and that star.
And then you have to put the ruler back,
and I thought there was something to it
and collect a spectrum for.
and we have neutrinos
And we move through time
And he talked about holography.
comes to you and says,
And I don't even know
And if we had an adversary
and they would have...
And have you...
program and he failed
And that was because
and that's why
and What Do You Care
and you can put
And he said,
And, you know,
for four and a half years.
And I'll have to tell you
And how many of you
and none of them were.
and Newtonian mechanics.
And he's working
and I didn't have
and their bottom line
and we have no physicists.
and, you know,
and he says
and that older subject matter
And then the physics chair
and so was he.
and they made off
and didn't produce
and they think
and they've got
and how it's worked.
manager and the government
and the company
and they've already
And the tasking
and try to figure out
and understand
And that's all they do.
and start thinking
And they don't even,
in one and not the other.
And he did astrophysics work
And the last thing
and say,
for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
and dined with
and one of whom
and after.
And I don't know
And I said,
and we avoid
and that this makes sense
and I'm not enthusiastic.
and that's been carried forward
Jim Semivan and I know
and I'm also not hopeful
And the retribution
tariffs and all that.
I'm hoping that he and I
and we can walk in
and we can talk to people
and say,
with Hal and some others
and take a look at the hardware,
and walked inside of a UFO.
And you believe him.
and has been able
and make up bullshit
of lying and making up bullshit.
and there are other
back in the 80s and,
and 2000s
and throw people off.
and this is exactly
and get inside,
employees and leadership,
And then there's
and the chief scientist.
And they told me
and arguing,
and then they have to brief him.
and I'm glad we ended
and craft
and doesn't believe
And so,
and standard model
and it seems like
And the idea
of matter and energy,
and like,
and you should use
and you somehow
and the standard model,
and nobody seems
and these are,
And in this case,
and they have no idea
and works
and that allows them
and it has a boundary
and it has some structure
and there's some money
And are we looking
and in fact,
and that changes everything.
And you have
and you have
and they're
and use it
and I think all three
And, you know,
and there's something
and people have to go back
in and out
and you never leave.
and you have to have
and release a report
And this follows
And they were seeing
and they were looking
and the person
and Spurgle was
and steady hands.
and you're not
and you're not
and we screwed up
and I feel terrible,
And so maybe
And there are very few people
And specifically
And then you have
And you have this guy,
And so
and more institutional,
and the super
and all that kind of stuff.
and we don't really
and other
And so,
and by the way,
and the proponents
and how,
and...
and the string
and I was 16
and I happened
and there's nothing
and quantum gravity
and by the time
and you say,
and general relativity
and the quantum,
and C.N. Yang,
and we don't talk
and that is the subject
and fields
and it's all one elephant,
and the blind men
and decide that
and they're just looking
and it can't.
And so now
and general relativity
and the other
and that we had
and the standard model
and you get them
and pair off.
and got rid of
and break them up
And the other thing
and there's no analog
and W and Z particles
and gluons.
and this is the data
and contraction
and a specified
And the answer
And then you check
and you're exactly
And there's old work
with Einstein and Cartan,
and Mansouri,
and Edward Witten,
and didn't work.
and the S-Matrix
and it's part of the game
and it's not a question
and we're going to insult
and literally,
And so both in string theory
and in what he's doing,
and are retrieved
and can do miraculous things
and the constraints are,
And the answer is
and quantum field theory?
and all these
and then you read
and he's like,
and he's infiltrating
and somehow has
and is speaking
academics and PhDs
And in my estimation,
and he was repeating
and people say,
And I think
and Chern-Simons
And I only had that
and he starts talking garbage.
and have this idea
and then look at it?
And, you know,
and I have a great deal
and Terrence and I
and I hate that.
and in general
And, you know,
and do a character assassination.
And I don't think
And two,
at MIT and Caltech.
and they do spooky shit.
and Lincoln Labs.
Right, MIT and Lincoln Labs.
from MIT and Lincoln Labs,
and I tried to say,
And originally,
because he and I
and it would be
And then I found that
and that was the thing
and gravity B.
and physicists
and the person
and count the maximal
And that would say
and the Maxwell's equations
and then tell me
and Yang-Mills theory
and Einstein-Hilberts
and the key features
and Einstein-Hilbert,
who and who?
and Jim Simons.
And Jim Simons.
And that takes us back,
And I told him.
and very positive,
And I said,
and discard it
And you don't have
And the parent theory
and churned Simons
and new stuff.
And that's what
contracting and gauging,
And I said,
And he said,
for Geometry and Physics
and spend a year
and teach us this.
and I have a son
And he looked at me
and he said,
And I looked at him.
and you kind of-
And that's so crazy.
And gauge theory,
And unfortunately,
and we only teach people
and it's just
And that was the penetration
And that was not taken well
and basically went nuts
And the reason
and Daniel Patrick Moynihan
and all social security payments
and slash benefits
that Melani and myself
and there's a completely
And Jorgensen
and derivatives
and projection operators.
And I said,
And he took a drag
and he said,
And then the dear leader,
and wrote
and Jeff Epstein.
And so it had,
and stove piping.
and you have to have
And then you have this fund,
And I guess my question would be,
and you say,
and compound.
and uranium
and then suddenly
and if you believe
and you believe
Oh, and you believe
and shell companies
And I really despise this.
and let's map
and you'd find Fort Meade.
and it's about gravity
and UAPs
and post-Einsteinian
and by the way,
and you have D&I level people.
this cat and mouse game
and what's real,
and I'll just get very,
and then they figured out
and it's not being run well at all.
And if you're telling me
And then you were saying,
And everybody repeats this
and everybody said that,
And what's so weird
And so once something
And so if this
and brightest on it.
and the brightest
and all of this stuff
and Northropes
and aerospace contractors
and this is,
and neutered
and not particularly
And Los Alamos,
and where a lot
and you bought
And now I'm going
and sort of speak
And my claim is
and their respectability,
and I hate to say it,
And basically,
And I'm just going
And one of the things
And it ferried different people
And that island
and horrific things going on.
and directives.
and weapons physicists
And who blew the fact
and theoretical physics
and high energy physics
and that he was doing
and you founded
Yeah, and then he says,
and strange quarks
Charm and strange
And yet,
and number theory
and those two places.
And Harvard references
and Jeffrey Epstein.
And then he's,
and this,
and physics
And they've,
And so you've got
and dangerous
and a jet.
And they change
And so,
and completely dangerous.
And the thing
latitude and longitude
and then you vaporize it.
and hurt something,
and you know
and they'll go through.
and then I get a decay
and that gives me
and get them to convert
and protect a particular,
and it was easy?
and just point it
and vaporize stuff?
and get some kind
and again,
and the National Science Foundation
And I believe
and Ed Witten
in and of itself.
and Horowitz.
And they set up
and the structures
were and how
and cryptic
die and they
and then you probably
and actually
and more hot.
And as it pertains
cloak and dagger,
and that's
and it works
And so,
and nobody
it and they're
and biologics
and I don't
and I,
and they are
and reverse
and then that
And this
and Northropes
science and
technology and
DOE and,
And so you
narrative and
and energy
And that
and we actually do
bizarre and worthy
And then number
and whether we
and we wanted
and the
and Operation
and Fortitude
And another
And sterilized
And it's a
and science
theorists and
any progress and
up and look for
and you'll see
And so, you
And if you
governments and
good footage and
And you were
parlor and the
the roof and all
parlor and shoots
children and that
rituals and things
violent, and it's not
And nobody wants to
And then how do I
And the key point is
resource and a ritual.
And all of these things
And it speaks to this
campaign and enforcement
Valachi papers and, you
Omerta and the innovation
of the Rico acts and all
and insane.
And what was the, what was
honor you and you're going
And you just fell into the
And they're, they're happy to
and depressed.
sucks and you're a very incisive
thinker and you have a way of
Sometimes they're dark truths and
And, um,
yoke and imagine that we just
physics and no physicists.
always does and said, we're going to
do not obey the laws of physics and make
sees this and says, I could change that
I could snap my fingers and get an allocation of
And so I, I, I hope that they are able to just, you
Don't bring in the mushrooms and the conscious.
Let's just do theoretical physics and leave the rest