He said that it took a couple of days to describe how human beings live in our time.
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And that's where some people, I think, get maybe you ruffle feathers in a way that people are like, I'm not ready for that yet.
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because I put out my documentary, everything's out, which was great.
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Uh, which, which is great because I can speak to you now and don't have to say, I'll have
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He just hung up on me three weeks ago because he thought I was lying to his wife that I said,
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Was there something about the content that caused them to file it differently or give it special handling?
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So not once did it seem like he was very willing to come forward.
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Welcome to the program, Victor.
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I think it's fair to say at this moment I'm in defense.
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This snafu with the telephone numbers.
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Can I ask you who is at your studio at this time?
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But then, you know, later we can talk about this, but there was, and some people's contention with this, was the financial aspect of it.
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Like he did receive money for something.
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And he explains that, and we'll talk about that a little bit later.
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And I do want to address it because I think it's an important point to address.
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But, yeah, he was very reticent.
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He did not want to come forward on camera.
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Yeah, visibly angry.
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Well, unvisibly, invisibly angry.
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And it's funny because the director, Jeff Broadstreet, of the hundreds of talks I've had with him on email, he would tell me,
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John, once we settled him down, he was actually a chatterbox.
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He was actually very, you know, very cordial and very, and when, okay, you know, in Chicago we call them, you know, cacarons.
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Two people making comments who don't know each other from 10, 20 years, eras apart.
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Eric Davis said, quote, they wore sandals, sometimes no shoes, ponytails, and they walked around humming Pink Floyd music.
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And I went, this direct Jeff Broadstreet just kind of gave me a nugget here.
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Even Jeff Broadstreet said, I don't think Tom Coleman got a whole lot of money for this.
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So my point is, was there enough money to produce, and people hate when I say this, an animatronic being that we think would have to have had about five operators with remote control cables, dragon skin, rubber skin.
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Because there was that.
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The special effects person said, it does one move.
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And that's a lot to contain for such a...
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And so during that time, yeah, you could see, because imagine smuggling something out.
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Like it would have been just the highest security ever.
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He talks about eschatology, the study of the end of the world and religion.
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Which was a counterintelligence operation of, I'm dying.
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And even Art Bell, you know, admits that it took 20, 30 minutes for him to warm up to
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Obviously, a real alien is much more interesting.
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So, he goes back to the producers who first documented this and really goes off on him.
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Like, to me, that really raised, again, my conviction level that he believes what he's
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It's been 11 years since I brought out that tape.
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Like, I don't know the reality.
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Dan Burr says how frail the beings were.
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And a lot of people said, no, it's not even a department or whatever.
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I'm like, why can't I find it?
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I mentioned facilities.
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Owns a microbrewery with his wife who was in linguistics for the CIA.
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Do you know, uh, is it Carl Wolf?
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And, you know, they say, you know, we're, we're part of the same galaxy, but our mission is to monitor this planet, yada, yada.
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And that, uh, you know, he asked him, is God real?
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And I remember going, holy shit.
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But this video might be real.
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He's in my documentary.
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Something I'm very proud of.
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They nicknamed him Oscar.
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It was his first mission.
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Don't worry about that.
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And her husband felt the same thing.
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She said he went crazy at a conference table when they told him that they were the, that
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a, a offensive weapon or something, a system that they were developing was going to be used
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or could be used or, or being pushed to being used in an offensive manner for the military.
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He exploded, but you can change the world with this.
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And they, they actually threw him out of the program.
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They, they, they, uh, they, they did things she felt to inhibit him from getting a real
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She said he was a, a, an, uh, adjunct professor or lecturer, not a full time.
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She said, John, I'm telling you, two of his students from UCLA came up to him when we were
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out because they lived in Los Angeles and, you know, professor, blah, blah, blah.
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She goes, I know he wasn't full of it.
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Um, but they turned him into a bum effectively.
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Just like what Victor claims.
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You know, that's interesting.
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I would, very interesting.
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I would, um, you know, I'm extending a branch out here to, you know, anybody who knows this
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It's, it's interesting.
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It is frustrating as well, because, you know, part of you is like, you can hold this information
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We have no idea what this is.
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And I said, sir, my name is John Stewart.
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He said, uh, where's this from?
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If you're looking for gold in 1800s, you would create a gold detector to help you find gold in the
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ground on that type of, that type of, um, that type of, of, uh, methodology.
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I want to be a true journalist.
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He goes, John, every foam latex style that I've been involved in since the fifties during the drying process, around 75%, they let the arms droop down.
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You know, if they mold a creature and when they, every creature, when the arms come down, a crease develops in the armpit.
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He sends me 20 pictures of the creature of the black lagoon to this guy, to this, this video.
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He was able to lighten it.
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It is bracketed by a metal bracket, not where Chris Ramsey and John Stewart would put four pieces of angle iron metal around a piece of glass.
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No, that's not true.
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I looked at my wife and said, well, that's crazy.
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I'm like, she's like, what happened?
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It was classified as an unauthorized viewing.
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Instead of giving it a classification like, I can't even think of a scientific name.
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He actually referred to it as one of the other grays.
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Maybe not real at this point, but I am getting names to this film.
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There's starting to become a realness.
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I look, there's his biopic in Wikipedia.
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We stopped it from closing.
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a Dr. Craig McPherson
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who admitted being a scientist at Area 51?
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whether it's real or not,
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This guy was in the Army.
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involved with extraterrestrials,
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but that's exactly what I did.
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She used his nickname.
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I did not call him by his nickname
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they're basically take a vow of silence.
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What he said was that remote viewers,
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East Berlin was the communist that they were,
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used for counterintelligence vetting or,
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that this type of alien use what's called time sequence,
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He's got the monk cassock on.
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He looks like he's in a Catholic school gymnasium background,
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Vow of silence is interesting too.
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I just made that connection because the lack of sound and the lack of speaking might heighten the telepathic senses.
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now Victor comes back in 08 and says,
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we finally figured out what the aliens were telling us.
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20 years from 08 is,
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I've never said publicly and you deserve that because,
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I really respect your show and bring me out.
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you're going to meet Leslie Keene in New York.
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I'm worried about getting assassinated.
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one of the lowest parts of the investigation they have.
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do you think this is a game?
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Men have been killed to protect this secret,
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this secret that you're trying to expose.
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And not only the secret,
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if they did the story,
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you're going to have full Jacoby's name in the New York times.
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Are you freaking mine?
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So that's how scary it got for me.
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And I never told that story.
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And of course I don't indict Leslie for anything.
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I will tell a story about her.
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And Ralph and Leslie,
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we spent three hours,
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And in about an hour and a half into it,
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You got enough for us to take to the science editor.
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Something like this.
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Take to the science editor.
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you can do one thing,
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get somebody in uniform,
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get somebody with the government to come forward to say,
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I can't tell you everything.
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I just want to tell you a couple of things about him.
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but you got to get it past my commanding officer.
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He said he would try and help you.
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and I want to talk about this,
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about the Q94109A document
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you sent that to the DIA?
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keeping an open mind
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my intelligence handlers.
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I'm not going to interrupt you.
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that the stalking has only been with my phone from the government because I have no idea and have never talked about and never given,
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please listen to me,
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but I've never talked about it at great length.
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is it because the other species are like us,
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if he's trustworthy.
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And that's your answer of why.
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with the end game is for somebody in the fricking government or a former military person to stand up and say this,
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this is this doctor.
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cause like that would eat at you,
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Don't harm my neighbors or my wife or kids.
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you're prosecuting him because it's not fake.
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picked him up at for the documentaries for $5,000.
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it's too Tom Clancy,
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we picked Victor up at a residence in Rancho Cucamonga,
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manager to tell the newspaper in Rancho Cucamonga.
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Could you help this guy?
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no knocks on the door.
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I saw the filters were obviously fake,
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but the core video has still yet to be.
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He was asked about it.
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the investigator who created OPNAC and BBS,
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a guy by the name of,
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now I sound like UAP Gerb.
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A guy by the name of Dr.
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He was a millionaire.
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He donated this platform to who?
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The United States Navy.
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They didn't talk about aliens in his bio.
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And what else did he help the Navy with?
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I know you're shocked.
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Art Sherlock was like a,
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But they used this facility for aliens in 54.
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when S2 Alpha at Papoose Lake was built.
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And they transferred.
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And we have the FOIA document from that.
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And then they transferred from there to Utah.
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And in the mid nineties,
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I believe the Papoose Lake facility has been under caretaker status since,
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since the mid nineties.
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And probably since Bob Lazar.
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The minute Lazar came out,
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that wheels were implemented to,
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to switch the program.
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I think it's interesting too,
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No man's land is Papoose Lake.
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He also is so frustrated with me.
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He told me not to email him again till March.
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you and I will be swinging from an end of a rope.
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with how people view you on the internet,
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