as to cause this bend in reality, kind of, where it's not just, you know, government running people's
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lives anymore from a purely mundane situation. And it's not the churches from a purely spiritual one.
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he wanted to do domestically. And, um, and then on top of that, you had this other separation
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layer where Nixon would task Howard Hughes with doing the really dirty stuff. And so there's
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in the woods in Maine. He was supposed to be back in the city. He was going to go to take up a position
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there's a seance that's held in late 52, early 53. I think it was the New Year's Eve of 52 to 53.
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with Andrea Paharic. And one of them is the guy who was the inventor of the Bell helicopter,
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right? So... Is that Arthur Young? Arthur Young. So Arthur Young is there with his wife. His wife is
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Texas School Book Depository. So wild. So you have this kind of, uh,
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blue blooded elite adjacent person who's, uh, uh, whose mother engaged in the seance with
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was a form of email in those days. Right. And they were mentioned that the designation was
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a special operation or special mission dash X. It was the X files, right? The actual X files.
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including the full link in the description of this video. Such a wild story and then such a weird
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olds, we did, you know, which was like a Halloween costume, right? But we kind of pulled it off. Yeah.
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And, uh, then we decided we were going to gate crash the funeral for Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy
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and students looking at us and, you know, saying, nah, can't be right. So we managed this. But the
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thing is, the reason I'm telling you this story is because on our way out, we bump into guys from
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to talk to the head of selective service. Mm-hmm .
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It was a really strange guy. I'll never forget him. Um, he wore these, you know, elbow patches,
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the old country and, uh, there's one particular thing you're taught during ordination. That's a kind
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of a secret prayer that is responsible for changing the bread and wine into the body and blood, right?
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Which is the whole transubstantiation thing that we learned about in Catholic school.
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Well, in the Orthodox church, it's almost the same, kind of similar. But there's a prayer and a gesture
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that you do to make this change official, to call down the forces to make this happen. They don't know it
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because they didn't go through the actual real training. They went through training to be spies,
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and they got enough training to pass as Orthodox priests, but they didn't get everything quite
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often. Sometimes the people in Moscow cleverly kept that back a little bit. And that was a signal
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to the guys back in the States or abroad, wherever, that the person they were sending over was not to
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be trusted, right? He was KGB. So you had priests who were KGB. Now, if you ever watched, there was
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American television series called the Americans. It was about a husband and wife, deep sleeper agents
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He's now Bishop Holy Prophet Alouya. And the Nigerian embassy is there. The Nigerian consulate,
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rather, in New York is there. It's the Nigerian side, not the Biafran side, not the Christian side.
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murky territory where art and science kind of mix. And it may be that art will have us have more to
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tell us about how consciousness works than science right now. Right. Because we're kind of limited into
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Yeah. It feels like a memetic layer that is sort of sub-linguistic or something. You know,
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one of my favorite, uh, Terence McKenna quotes is a secret is not something that isn't told. It's
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any place else. So we just sat there and drank. Um, I met, um, a lot of, a lot of people from
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is it a somebody the way we think of a somebody? Or is it a mechanism of some kind, as Vallee called
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it, a control mechanism?
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His name is actually mentioned in the book and he was not part of the police at that time. He was
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not anywhere near it. Right. So the whole Texas tower sniper thing was completely,
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Well, for instance, I was fascinated by this one thing that I had heard about and I could not believe,
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we're having a, a deep throat moment because people are trying to tell us something without telling us
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something. Right. You know, it's like follow the money, right? They're, they're giving us hints of
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equals two, you know, that's one way of formulating this idea, but there's a way of, of getting out of it.
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Um, but it's not, it's, it's almost impossible to describe and people have to get to it themselves,
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right? They have to get to it on their own path. They have to want to do it. Right. And they have
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to be willing to, to follow a path while maintaining a sense of humor. Once you lose that sense of humor,
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you're screwed because then you become a fanatic fanatics famously have no sense of humor.
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Mm-hmm . And what you need is that sense of humor, which is a sense of what I'm looking at may be
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real and it may not be. Yeah.
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Isn't it funny? What if it is real? Ha. Yeah.
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What if it isn't equally? Right. It's a way of negotiating territory that's very dangerous.
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Yeah, that's right. I think like a lot of people get really into synchronicities and when you put
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a ton of weight on the synchronicities, you're sort of in really bad territory. Oh yeah.
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And when you put no weight in synchronicities, you're also in bad territory. So it's like a
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Scylla and Charybdis between extreme randomness, materialist reductionism. And then on the other
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groups had this fight, this pitched battle in the streets of Munich. These were occultists fighting
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on the streets of Munich, right? It was bizarre as if you had given the golden dawn machine guns
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They're reprinted in, I think it's Toland's biography of Hitler. So the poems are there.
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He was writing to Odin and Thor. Right. So, and that, okay. And then this is where
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We denazified them ourselves. They should never have been many of them. They were Nazis to their death,
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is only one government on the planet, and they only have so much territory, right?
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The Chinese have a big chunk, and the Russians have it, and all the other countries that have
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Isn't he like a Satanist or something?
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Yeah. Temple of Set. He found it. He was with LeVay's Satanic Church of Satan.
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go off and found a cult. We don't know. Right. Maybe they've gotten that far to realize that they can
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create the scientific apparatus to induce a spiritual breakdown or breakthrough.
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it was at the time. But so I know what that looks like, right? That camera facing at me. And so there
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it was again. And, um, I looked at this thing and I thought, the hell is that? So I put down my
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the world. So same. Well, this is what happens. I'm in the airport, the Changi airport, very famous.
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I'm in the airport. Uh, I'm, I was on a business trip. I think I was probably going back to Kuala
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Lumpur. So I was, you know, going to catch another flight. I'm dragging my suitcase and then someone taps
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me on the shoulder and that's not done in Singapore. You know what I mean? It's like,
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of course there's tourists there, but people don't, they're not touchy feely in that part of the world.
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So I get tapped on the shoulder and I turn around to see who that is. And it's one of the women from
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the car, the one who was the driver. Right. And she looks at me and she waves and keeps on going.
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I just stare at her and I, I shake myself, you know, and I started following her like dragging my
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suitcase, but she's gone. She's just gone in the crowd, just disappeared. But she tapped me on the
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shoulder and waved. What? That is, I'm getting the chills. That is such a weird story. Yeah. That
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threw me that, that it brought back the whole episode that I had more or less forgotten about.
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It brought it all back. If that hadn't happened, I might've forgotten about the first one. Right.
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1975, I guess it was, but that's a, that's another long story. How much time do you have?
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Uh, I have an infinite amount of time. I do. I have until your flight.
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intelligence of any kind in any capacity. That's not there. So then about two years ago, I read an
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article. I have a sub stack, which I haven't done anything with in about a year, but I have a sub stack
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on my part, on his part, on the part of everybody involved in this thing. But eventually, by 1975, October
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12th, as it turned out, it was just serendipitous. All of the translation work had been done, had been
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The character of Johnny Depp, however, from what I've been told by the people who worked on the
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Polanski film when they were in New York, see Polanski can't come to the States for reasons.
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Dr. Randall Bell, well, because Rudolf Hess did something he wasn't supposed to do.
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Dr. Randall Bell, got it.
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Dr. Randall Bell, he disobeyed Hitler.
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all the rest of it was right up Hitler's alley. So he read all this stuff. He was fascinated by it
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He couldn't use it to kill people. So Himmler tried to disavow him of that saying,
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we do this because he gets people on our side. They love the fire, the torch lit ceremonies,
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you know, this is like what we're studying. We're studying consciousness manipulation.
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even today that this process is possible. I mean, every, every year during Yom Kippur is the time
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when certain groups of Jewish mystics then will then descend the chariot. That's when they're
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it's like staring at the sun a little bit, right? Like you can,
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you can be really bad for you if you, if you do too much of it. Like, I think, uh,
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regular basis. And we're, we're trade. We have contracts or contracts with the aliens. That's the
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thing that kills me. Right. Oh, you know, Eisenhower or somebody signed a, you know, a contract with the
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to like Richard Dolan, who's a really smart, cool, earnest guy, not one of the weird UFO researchers.
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He's great. He's kind of this legendary, you know, and he like lends credence to the MJ 12 documents,
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accomplishment in the UFO field, it's like, he's already there. Right. So you have all these guys
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who are a part of this thing and you're a part of it. I've met all of them. And you've met all of them.
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So yeah, you're a part of it as well. And so do you feel like you have a sense of what's
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going on after that experience?
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I had a meeting here in Austin. Okay. Um, a couple of years ago. Well,
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must be longer than that now. Uh, with Tom DeLonge. Yeah. Chris Mellon, Hal Puthoff,
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Jacques Vallée, all in the same room for me, it was a thrill because I had never met Hal or Jacques before.
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And I had written about them in various places, but never actually sat in the same room.
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And Chris Mellon, right. Who I met for the first time. And we sat, we spent the entire day here
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with masses of documents and papers and stuff. And Tom was trying to get, we had a conference room
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arranged and all of us were trying to figure out what the hell was going on with the UFO thing.
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And we have all these guys here together to brainstorm this, right? Try brainstorming this
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with three guys who have NDAs and security clearances up the ass and they cannot talk to you about
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unless you have the right words, the right clearances yourself, know the right things to
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right? Or the president is come on.
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Like they care about any of that.
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conversations are really hard to have if you're just a human being. And it's funny to see, like,
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you'll see Sean Ryan go on Tucker Carlson and the UFO thing will come up and Sean Ryan will go,
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those two things? Cause I, I, you know, I interviewed, you know, this guy, Jason Reza Giorgiani.
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Yeah. Like he's a big fan of the Promethean, you know, and he calls himself a Satanist because he's
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He talked about it. He was part of the underground sort of Hitler thing that was going on.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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That's the problem. Right.
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That's when ideology gets involved and it gets really messy. But from my point of view,
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in a constant process of discovery. Right. There is no one discovery to be made that's
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going to settle everything. So then what is the role of curiosity? Like if, if both you and I are
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Okay. Do you see it at all or no? Okay. It's so fascinating. And then you have a really
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interesting connection with Bob Lazar, which is you worked at the same company that he did.
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So that's pretty interesting as a data point. Yeah. Wow. But that's all it is at this point.
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You know, you have to kind of figure out what does that mean? But for me. But to you,
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into all these directions. I think the UFO phenomenon is there for that reason. You know,
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it's there to say, look, open your freaking eyes and look, right? Maybe it's a ghost. Maybe I'm a ghost,
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information from being understood. So look at everything, right? Look at the, look at the sane
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stuff, right? First, look at the documents, look at the stuff that's released by FBI or CIA or the
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combating positions, the, the positions at, at opposite ends, don't take it as, um, written in stone.
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abuse your trust. So you have to be careful of that. I think maybe the easiest way to go about all of
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this, if you're interested is to follow instructions that you'll find, for instance, in Stairway to Heaven.
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