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Well, so I started out in the military, spent a career there, retired as a sergeant major, retired in 2020, and spent about 23 years working for the government, deploying a lot, jumping out of airplanes, doing interesting things in bad places, usually.

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At one of those war game events in 2021, we had an observation.

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We protected it and did all the due diligence to kind of make sure that that didn't get out anywhere just in case it was made in America and need to be protected.

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So there's two pioneers in this field who wish to remain anonymous right now.

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And Mr. D figured out, hey, we can detect signals from these craft and geolocate them or direction find them in the sky and then put the camera on it and there it is.

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Do you think, and obviously you get into speculative territory and, you know, kind of philosophy, and I really want to get into kind of the hard data because that's what you guys sort of specialize in.

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But you think that might kind of show that we're living in some sort of three-body problem universe or something where they don't want us to harm ourselves?

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We'll say, for example, in 2021, the first time we saw them, we were running a war game for the government.

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So I'm trying to modulate the exercise and keep things flowing so we can be effective in developing tactics.

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And between each frame, it's changed drastically in its flight characteristics and signature so that we can only see a little bit of it, and we can't really derive the shape.

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as in if you have a low-pressure, high-pressure differential, you can get vapor, right?

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As in when a fast-moving jet breaks the speed of sound, you see a vapor on the wings.

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That same effect looks like what we're seeing around the class one, and it basically wears it like some kind of field is holding it in place,

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So that was actually what he saw was he was looking in the sky for drones, thinking nothing about UFOs, UAPs, or anything else,

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Zoomed in and be like, oh, wow, there's seven of these craft in a tight formation maneuvering on us, right?

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A drone of the same size in the same flight formation would have been glaringly obvious.

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When you see these sort of tetrahedron-like things in formation as you're simulating war games,

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because there's a lot of reasons for them to want to see the red team, blue team stuff that we're doing at home here in the U.S., right?

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None of the rabbit holes, I call them, if you go down the, hey, it's made in America rabbit hole, doesn't make any sense.

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If you don't know how to spot them with your technology, you're not going to be able to even see them or acknowledge that they're in your airspace.

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So it's not like, you know, if I see a class one, it doesn't just stay in a straight azimuth and fly north to south like it was already flying.

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So they're putting themselves in beam of our systems.

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I mean, there's not a whole lot of reasons why you would put yourself, if I had the secret stealth technology, if I have an F-35, am I going to fly it to Russia and buzz Moscow and get in their radars and let them quantify what my F-35 looks like?

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Not because they're getting shot down, that's obviously a problem, but also because now they know precisely how I look on their radar, which means they can weaponize that to detect me in the future.

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Back in the day, I used to struggle with that post-coffee crash, and let's not even get into the caffeine jitters.

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It was flying over the Aleutian Island chains in Alaska, and I think it was probably figuring out the limits of our radar detection,

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I have to double or triple my costs now in labor to pay people to come out and run a test event, which is very hard to do as a commercial entity.

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And then I would offer, it's further compounded by, we have been contracted in the past by the government to collect UAP data.

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So I say that because I don't foresee any future, at least in our current paradigm, where the government's going to say, hey, James, hey, Skywatcher, we want you to go collect UAP data at whatever location and give us that.

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Um, so because of that mismatch in reality, in the inability of our bureaucracy and decision makers to directly affront the situation of UAPs, instead they have to be surreptitious about it and talk.

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You have to kind of talk about it in a circular way and you can't just kind of go to the heart of the matter because it's not even acknowledged at the highest levels of our government still, which is pretty crazy.

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In the religious category, you'll often find people who are very intelligent, very smart, like normal people.

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The other group is the group that thinks everything's man-made, made in China, made in Russia, made in the U.S.

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And so you never know who you're going to get, which is why, like I said, we have to be circular in our true objectives when we speak with these officials because they are not prepared to speak with us in truth.

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It feels like it's kind of a Scylla and Charybdis and that two failure modes are on the one hand, yeah, maybe being too mired in past dogma, you know, kind of religious fundamentalist dogma.

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I think it's total closed-mindedness kind of in both directions or something and an approach that is kind of open-minded and just data-driven I think is great.

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And I would say it's probably in between those two, you know, like the answer can't be all good or all bad or something.

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That isn't necessarily the case in our minds anymore, but that's why we kept everything very secretive to protect national defense.

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There are other classes who have interacted with us in a negative manner.

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Some of them interact, I think, inadvertently negative with us, as in they're emanating perhaps through their technology.

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You don't want to get caught up in necessarily like crazy kind of philosophical discussions.

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They come in like maybe like, oh, we're just going to figure some stuff out.

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So I had a weird month after I went and it kind of put the fear of God in me with this stuff.

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I never held a clearance in the government related to anything or was right onto anything with UAPs whatsoever.

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So it's kind of, that's kind of a unique position to be in.

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That commercial activity might be in support of a government event, again, unrelated to UAPs because the government has said, look, thanks for the observation.

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Skywatcher conversely has started with, we're looking at an unknown enemy weapon system or weapon system or thing in the sky.

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So what we did is we consulted with industry experts, pioneers in their craft, academia, some savants, and said, here is a classified drone threat.

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Instead of saying, I want to track a MiG-31, we're saying, I want to know what that thing is in the sky that nobody else is there.

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So we are a technology company rooted in unexplainable, unknown physics and trying to understand that from a defense perspective, right?

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So what I mean by that is, as I said in the episodes, I'm not a believer.

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I don't want to have faith in this.

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Lately, I've been thinking a lot about aging, not just in terms of years, but in how it actually feels in the body.

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They hang around in your body, draining your energy, clogging up your recovery, and generally making you feel older than you are.

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It's not something you take every day, just two days a month, but it supports your body in aging better at the cellular level.

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It's vegan, non-GMO, and grounded in serious research.

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So on the UAP side, in terms of craft in the sky, I think we have that, right?

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It sits on a drive in a certain place.

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And so at great cost to our own business and expense, if you will, in time and energy and effort, we have documented these things so that when the data is released scientifically, they have a backstory to understand how the data was collected.

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And most people have no clue what that means in terms of general public.

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Jake Barber. So I was very cautious for a long time of who I would meet with or talk with. I actually met with Gary one time in a way that frankly made him very uncomfortable.

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Well, I have it. Let's talk. But again, we kept everything in the IC and very secretive.

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So, you can see a little bit more than the human eye can see in, in the visible spectrum.

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Any typical behavior that the class ones engage with? You mentioned they were in a formation before. Any, any other interesting data that you have on them?

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Yeah. So, the class one tend to fly in groups. We've seen one or two as a singleton, but usually they're in groups of three to 20.

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Um, and that group tends to fly through in some kind of formation and it can be everything from four or five craft seemingly locked together, maneuvering as a group with another group, uh, and even a third.

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Um, all the way from that to looking like a V formation, like a stealth bomber would look or a flock of birds, but clearly doing UAP things that don't happen in nature.

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Um, so we've seen them fly through, uh, in the, in those formations right over us.

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Um, you, like I said, usually in a, in a formation of some kind.

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Um, so it's about 40 feet, uh, uh, in length.

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Um, we saw that first in 22 and then in 23, and then we didn't see them again until 25, till February this year.

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We've seen them in groups of one to three.

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Um, they don't appear to fly in formation as much as arrive together in a group and then, uh, depart as singletons.

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And for example, in our February event, we had a class two, which exhibited some very strange behavior.

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And came in, hide from our primary sensors.

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And we have it in multiple spectrums of, of imagery.

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But, but I'll say in our footage of the TIC-TACs, they are not a round cylinder only.

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So if you look at, uh, if you zoom in and enhance, uh, the footage, you can actually see little spikes all around the craft, around the perimeter of it.

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Furthermore, I talked about in the other video, uh, the episode that they, they appear to bend when they come out of high G maneuvers.

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I don't remember, but I, it feels like the thing is bending in the video.

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I've sat in meetings with various agencies of the government.

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You know, I, you know, in a much probably smaller, more mini way than you've experienced,

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And in the U S you have these kind of private side, you know, people innovating on, you know,

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Uh, since we're in a skiff, I'm going to make a call to this other program has all this

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There's nothing in inventory that matches what you're describing.

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And then usually what happens after that is a deer in the headlights.

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Look, I held a, held a meeting recently where there was a guy on the VTC in a classified

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As in like, I think he may have even said maybe this is off planet.

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Which is quite shocking when I'm in a room with social matter experts from the government

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And he says in a smirking manner because like I said, there's different categories of

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And even in, even in a room of people who are studying or trying to learn about this,

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findings to see and measure and kind of put them in a, in the hot seat to see if they

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observing in the sky.

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What I think a lot of people expect in this subject is for everything to tie together so

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in the sky are the things that we have on the ground or the secret science things is the

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kind of scientific paradigm and it all fits together in this neat thing.

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And in fact, all of those things could be their own disparate threads.

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And the deeper you go in some ways, the more confused you get, which is cool.

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I think people want, you know, they want this like neatly packaged, you know, tied up in

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It's like having a moment of calm in your pocket, ready whenever you need it.

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You're at a good place in your career.

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and is very smart in developing technology or protecting technology and science

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So I think our government's conflicted in that without saying it out loud

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In fact, all I ever get from them is during the headlights and questions and answers.

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So yeah, I think disclosure, frankly, is less about a UAP flying in the air

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And as I stated in the beginning, we are rooted in and exist because of UAPs being exposed to us.

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We made observations in March and in February that reveal to us the technology in play.

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I don't understand how they're doing that in that kind of form factor in that size and scale.

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And again, let's say that that is a made in America thing and that some agency flew that

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high conviction in some of these things.

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I wish they were used more broadly in civil side architecture.

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The skies are not classified and we are seeing things in the skies.

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Then we get in a helicopter and go chase them.

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I've chased probably about 15 UAPs now in the last 60 days.

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I did a lot of skydiving and military freefall operations, but I've never been in an aircraft with a motor trying to chase another aircraft.

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We're seeing UAPs in commercial airspace, right?

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So understand if we're in El Paso working and we see a UAP, you know, and I'm looking north.

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And in El Paso, if you look north, actually from where we're at in Sierra Blanca and the last place we were using, when we look north, all we see are airliners transiting because everyone transits the border right there by El Paso, just north.

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So in the same airspace, we're seeing UAPs.

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Do you think any, are you picking it up in the ground with normal optical sensors, with cameras or with kind of more exotic stuff?

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And in-

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Like we haven't figured out where in the spectrum they're visible.

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So, and I would even offer to jump ahead a little bit in the class sevens.

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Recently, in February, we saw class sevens with the naked eye.

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Whatever that is in meters.

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And often when we do see them, or when we did see them with the naked eye, in the few times we have, they're very reflective.

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And should help us indicate that maybe we can't see them in the naked eye.

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And Grush even mentioned it in his congressional testimony.

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And in the center of the cloud is like a filament that looks golden, almost like a flame.

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And this object, like the Class 1 and the Class 2, does fly in a stable trajectory.

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But while it's flying in that trajectory, it's vibrating vertically and horizontally very fast.

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But on imagery and on radar, it is bouncing all over in a, perhaps like a tube almost,

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almost like it's in the subway.

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That's kind of what we're seeing in the sky.

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And we've had to ask ourselves, and it's still a theory, is everything in the sky a holographic

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Do any of these classes, are they attributed more to the psionic assets calling them in

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That said, once we started doing this in a very open mindset of, well, I'm not a believer,

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One example is in August, one of our principal psionic assets, Jordan, apparently called in

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Because Jordan said where to look in the sky.

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Literally said, this is where it's at in the sky.

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Well, we ran an event in January with the equipment with no dog whistle.

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So in February, up till February, I'd never seen a UAP with a naked eye.

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In February, we actually had, for the first time, the dog whistle paired with psionic assets.

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So, and one time when you were up in a helicopter, the helicopter was sort of frozen, like it

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Where were we in the sky the first time you saw that?

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So, we've had several interactions with UAPs in the air.

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So, our primary sensor didn't collect on that class seven while it was in hover or over us.

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So, everyone's in a hurry trying to do that.

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And then we look at the camera and there's no SD card in it.

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Now, we are prepared for our secondary systems to become primary in case they approximate

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And then later in the day it comes in from the west and heads south, as in it's measuring

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And then for the first time in February, we saw two jellyfish fly together in the radar

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I've never seen them in pairs before.

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And they're obviously interested in us in the middle and they're putting themselves in beam

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I would say, you know, our jellyfish are about two to three meters across in the head.

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And I think the tentacles in your case, if I'm visualizing it correctly, are a little

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out there who are too quick to come in and body slam and present falsehoods because they

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Because the balloon relative to the wind is blowing in the wind.

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The long line actually forms a U shape and the U is in the direction of travel.

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And that's because of the air pressure on that long line builds up in the middle of it.

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The surface area becomes under enough pressure that actually bends the line in the direction

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And then the same craft, when we know it's flying perpendicular to the wind in a swimming

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motion, the long line, the tentacles are actually in a Pac-Man shape.

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In proximity to it, it'll say it don't come any higher.

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And then there was, it was like this, it was really interesting in this last video you guys

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Like, okay, so they've done everything that you could do to indicate we're interested in

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They've flown in beam.

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And so they know that there's, there's some kind of action force in the vicinity of them.

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hey, tomorrow we're going to see, you know, a conflict in the sky.

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We're going to have, uh, different UAPs are going to come in and there's going to be-

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If you ever come up to me again, bring a damn camera with a date time group in the screen,

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Typically, we'd never seen jellyfish interfere with us in the last several years.

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systems disconnecting from the primary sensors when the jellyfish were in vicinity.

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And that's when we discovered the class two Tic Tac and the manta ray in the sky hiding

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And this was extracurricular in our own time.

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And that energy weapon turned our systems off as in OFF, as in blank screens.

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It was working and then it was in the off position.

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No one should do that in the United States.

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We are not trying to go to war or have, you know, destroy American or Chinese or Russian equipment in the sky.

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We have no interest in harming or destroying any of this material or craft or beings.

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The second time was with the Tic Tac in February.

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So, I sat there for probably 20 minutes and watched a manta ray in the sky.

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So, they were both in the sky, kind of about the same place, about 800 meters elevation, about 800 meters away.

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So, I'm like, hey, I want to get in the helicopter and go see the Tic Tac.

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Like, how many years do you have to do it in a row?

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So, clearly, in my opinion, it's less about our technology and more about our reaction.

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The question is, why would they put themselves in beam and put themselves in that vulnerable, apparently vulnerable position repeatedly?

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So, as you get into the philosophical here, it's really hard to understand and see through, okay, why are they putting themselves in this apparently vulnerable position?

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Like you see Jordan predicting, oh, the next day there's going to be a war in the sky and it's accurate.

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We are not telling the psionic team, we have tried this in the past, but typically we do not tell a psionic team there's something inbound.

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We've done that two or three events in a row.

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They must have, I mean, I've, I've, I've, I've met a few of them and it seems like they have some pretty interesting backgrounds and past history where, and I think this is going to come out probably increasingly in the next year or two.

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There are these kind of gifted and talented education programs in the United States that recruited often children to be kind of, you know, high sci assets in various cases and probably for various use cases, maybe part of the remote viewing stuff that hell put off and Russell Targ started, you know, back in the day, Stargate grill, grill flame, all of that.

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Is that, do you think that that is a widespread program in the U S where they're recruiting kind of these, these younger, younger people?

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Um, we've only seen that a couple years in a row.

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Um, we've only seen it in the infrared.

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Um, that could be due to atmospheric conditions, dust in the air, uh, uh, or other reasons.

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Um, and what we observed was they, two of them flew in together on either side of our valley

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Um, and, in our estimation, any drone or helicopter would have been hearable and visible under those

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And these were right here in the sky, just, just above us, 45 degree angle off each horizon

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Um, and they moved in tandem, right?

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egg, and, yeah, I think it was, uh, the mid-2000s on, on the range in California, uh, there

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were some psionic assets present trying to call the thing in.

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Although, I do believe plasma is seen in conjunction with UAPs often, but we don't know that.

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Um, so we, we have more observations recently in 2025.

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It's probably about two and a half meters, uh, in diameter.

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Um, uh, until the event with the Tic Tac where it hovered in the sky and.

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uh, interferes in other ways with our equipment.

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Uh, in March.

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So slow, we were just doing orbits, trying like getting, you know, chasing it in orbits,

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Because I, you know, I spoke to Jake, I think it was in January and we had a really interesting

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He said in six months, we're going to get this thing to land.

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And if it has happened, it's in a closed program that nobody knows about.

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Will it happen in six months?

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When we were doing, you know, in 2023 when we did something special for the government,

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And we saw about 200 UAPs in a day over a four-hour period.

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And they did it in ones and twos and threes at a time.

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And so, as they were doing that, we saw three of them that, instead of coming in and the

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low level egressing, came in at an angle from directly overhead and just continued as if

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And then in 2024, we saw a class eight that started 3,500 meters above us as it came through

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I mean, you know, you were in California near Palmdale and then you were also in Finley

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in Texas.

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Also, they're flying adjacent to or in commercial air corridors, right, where all our commercial

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get their affairs in order before they get caught.

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But frankly, like, I have no interest in him.

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know, an a priori interest in UFOs.

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I think one of our adversaries has the ability to fly with impunity and operate in our airspace, and we are helpless to stop it.

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Um, so there's only one entity that has a past performance, to my knowledge, of flying in our airspace with apparent impunity, uh, with us not doing anything to stop it, and that's China.

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So why wouldn't you naturally arrive at a sustained, uh, intrusion in our airspace?

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Like, if you're doing that over residential neighborhoods in Jersey, that's kind of an act

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I think in the 60 Minutes article or episode they did on this, they spoke with the NORAD

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And then you had that, I think, sheriff, the local sheriff in New Jersey saying that he

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I like to have faith in my government and believe that they are doing the right thing.

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I know I was in the government for a long time.

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So, in five years from today, do you have any hopes, dreams, expectations for Skywatcher?

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So, if we deploy the right sensors in the right mix, we can become masters of our airspace

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And in five years, it'd be wonderful if it's deployed.

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of initiating contact in some ways?

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in a more intimate way than, like, you know, just sensors?

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In the list.

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much weight to put in this, but it's like the aliens or the NHI are coming back for their

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I don't know to what end, but I think it's in our face that that's happening.

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