Utah

Um, but my assessment of I actually visited a man in Utah who had acquired several of these,

environment look like Utah I have been obsessed for five years with Utah more than that

And that was the incident up in Utah some years ago.

And he asked me about the Utah case.

I'm saying, which Utah case?

We have people like that on the ranch, you know, Utah.

or a friend who is at a base out in Utah or someone who's operational in Pine Gap, Australia.

a little bit. Let's say that you're an operator at the Dugway proving grounds, right, Utah,

He grew up in a blue collar family in Utah.

Yeah, we can never forget. But, um, but let's get to you. So where did you grow up? Pleasant Grove, Utah.

I'm fifth generation. Pleasant Grove, Utah. My ancestors came from Scandinavia, from Denmark and emigrated in the 1860s. They were early converts to the the Mormon church of the Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter-day Saints and settled in this small community at the base of Mount Timpanogas, which is this incredible mountain backdrop in Utah.

So you still live in the same place? I've lived almost my entire life in this small community of Pleasant Grove, Utah, that I love.

I was fortunate to have a leadership scholarship to what is now Utah Valley University, which is the largest institution in the state.

My 20s. So I quickly accelerated my success, my control of the commercial real estate market in Utah.

And so I was fortunate to co-found the Cold War banker commercial operation in Utah at age 25.

But in Utah as far as the office parks and commercial centers, I have a project called Thanksgiving Park that is in the heart of what we now call Silicon slopes, almost a million square feet of class A office space that has been an important part of my career, putting that project together at its inception all the way through to

Oh, we, we, we think it's important to give back. We're very passionate about our community. You know, Utah Valley University, where we both went to school is, is dear to us. I think providing scholarship opportunities for single mothers.

It's, it's no coincidence that Utah has continually being recognized as the number one place to do business in the country. Well, the number one economic place to, to do business.

That's awesome. Are you guys involved in any other? Yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah, Maloof Foundation, we're proudly working with them and supporting them Utah Valley University.

with Mr. Bigelow regarding a ranch in Northeastern Utah known as Skinwalker Ranch.

selling the Utah property. He had expressed not only willingness to consider the sale, but the

And those created some interest. I still was unconvinced. I mean, we have the Utah test and

that even when bringing out the Utah State veterinarian, again, this is the veterinarian

for the state of Utah with the Department of Agriculture, who comes out over a year after

The Utah State Veterinarian proceeded to order tests, actually took samples.

skinwalker ranch as opposed to the Utah ranch. For a period of time, it was just simply the Utah

ranch or the Bigelot ranch in Utah, and then took on the identity of skinwalker ranches as they

drilling exercises that was analyzed by the University of Utah and shown to be, you know, not

Or people that I've just ran into these things, like randomly in the middle of Colorado or Utah or somewhere.

I have a man who is at Dugway Proving Grounds, a huge remote site in Utah,

Dougway proving grounds in Utah. We have a man who was there saw this. So there it's scientifically,

programs. Do you think there's any validity to recruiting out of places like BYU and like Utah?

There's something really, and when you look at Dougway, you look at all the interesting places in Utah,

parts of Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado is that we don't know if those areas have the same kind