And then some other members of permanent members of the senior review group are all SAIC personnel, which is a famous contractor and MITRE personnel, which is an FFRDC.
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Why did he work for MITRE?
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I would be, I would be encouraged to tell people to take a long, hard look at who in Congress has been on the MITRE payroll specifically in SAIC and that those people might have some understanding of these programs.
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solutions has now, as of 2025 started subcontracting with MITRE for us space command.
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So like MITRE Corporation is a federally funded research and development center. It's not fully
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former USD INS as former board member for Battelle, MITRE Institute and chairman of the Better Angels,
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Okay. They have side programs, remote viewing programs. Okay. So does MITRE, the MITRE corporation. Who else does that? They're just unacknowledged.
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MITRE, MITRE I think is the tip of the spear for, for Navy programs.
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MITRE I think it's a good tip of the, uh, because Crystal City is where I think eight out of 10 of the US's largest defense contractors are located, uh, north of Grumman Raytheon, all of this. And I think this is where most, I just, as I think that the American west and most of the MRTFBs major range test facility bases, or we're a tremendous amount of UFO reverse, uh, or sorry, research development test and evaluation occurs. That Crystal City is where such contracts are executed and handled.
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MITRE Is there a dumb under that location, a massive underground military base? I think so under the Pentagon specifically. There were old plans for it under Lyndon B. Johnson and Nixon. I think it was not the, not the NMCC, but an enormous cavern.
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MITRE Would you feel, I almost feel like you might get further if you just like hung around some of these bars around there?
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MITRE Probably, probably, but also what kind of spooks are watching, right?
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MITRE Yeah, obviously all of them. Yeah.
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MITRE Who knows when the men in black are watching. I mean, I remember specifically.
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MITRE Have you ever had a run in?
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MITRE No, not in person. I've had weird, I've had, nobody has ever contacted me in person. I've had weird instances where a close witness and I were talking. And as soon as we started to ramp up our conversations, we'd get calls from somebody claiming to be an F or sorry, a special investigator asking if we specifically were talking to each other.
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MITRE And like they would say my name and I wasn't using my personal phone number, right? I was using a, trying to be careful. That was just like Jonathan Wagant's fellow Marines. He was with, I emailed one of them from my UAPgerb at gmail.com email. My name's not on it. It's not even associated with my IP address. I try to go through links to make sure that, you know, I can stay under the radar. And this Marine, this guy retired a master sergeant responded, hello, my first name. And it's like, where are these guys getting my name and information? I don't quite like that.
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MITRE So you've had multiple people try to hit you up, text messages, phone calls, emails, telling you.
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MITRE Just that investigator, but also for some other program or other videos dating back to Randy Anderson.
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MITRE Yeah. Randy Anderson specifically is when it started just saying like, Hey, I would remove like all mention of, of crane from your videos. And this wasn't from like random people reaching out to me. This would be friends who have friends in programs saying, Hey, this person said, you might want to remove this. I'll say no.
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MITRE Because of course, mentioning names can be considered a national security risk, but I'm not divulging classified information. Everything I'm doing is open source. So I'm free to speak about that stuff.
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MITRE The men in black encounter that interests me the most is you're familiar with the story of Mark McCandlish, right?
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MITRE So in 2014, uh, filmmaker James Allen, uh, did a documentary on Mark McCandlish. James Allen was diagnosed with a super aggressive form of cancer and passed just a couple months before the film's release. And, you know, I don't know.
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MITRE What happened to Mr. Allen, but Mark McCandlish ordered an autopsy report and it was shown that, uh, Mr. Allen's body had a lot of like heavy metal poisoning, but the editor of the documentary, he and I spoke a little bit. And he said that whilst he and Alan were working on the documentary, every time they go into this Georgia bar to have a drink, cool down after working on the dock, there always be this men in black type guy just sitting there staring at him.
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MITRE I always thought that was really interesting.
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MITRE But I've been told to watch out for the men in black.
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MITRE Yeah, dude. Not just the men in black, but like the men in blue, the men in gray.
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MITRE Yeah. Men in black as in like, in like in like tech and intelligence protection from various agencies. You know, the NSA might have their own, the CIA might have their own. If the NSA has their own, it's called TREAT. You heard of that? The tactical reconnaissance engineering assessment team?
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MITRE Yeah. Those are like, that is the men. Well, I heard about it from your video.
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MITRE Okay. So by stubblebine.
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MITRE Yeah. Seems like that's the men in black.
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MITRE Yeah, Mr. Super soldier out of Fort Huachuca.
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MITRE Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's crazy. I had, um, you know, we hear about that. We hear about these guys and these run ins, especially after sightings and stuff. And even John Ramirez, who was here said that in the early 50s, a lot of those guys were just CIA because they were just conducting, they were doing actual tests out there with like advanced craft.
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MITRE And some people reported seeing UFOs when it was just like, whatever advanced craft they were working on at the time. So they would just follow up and ask them.
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MITRE Yeah. Like, what is it you think you saw? And just like, not tell them, hey, you didn't see anything. So there was that aspect. But then there's the whole, you know, you didn't see anything. Here's a bag of money. Shut up.
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MITRE Yeah, even when I was at Seoul in 2024, I didn't interface with this person directly. But a couple of my buddies were like, hey, watch out. There's like a guy from the Rand Corporation poking around here asking people about stuff.
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MITRE And then all the way back to like Leonard Stringfield would write in the 1970s that at MUFON conferences that, you know, he'd have intelligence guys walk up to him and say not to talk about a case or like say, hey, you got to cover this case. I found with witnesses that there's not much I can do when people come to me. Right. I don't know what to do with that. I don't. Some of the time, I don't know why people are coming to me.
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MITRE The most value, some of the friendships I formed, the most credible testimonies I have heard are from people I have spent months trying to track down.
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MITRE I love that. You mentioned this yesterday, and it's something I want to touch on a little earlier, but I'm so glad you brought it up. You know, people out there think, oh, you know, this guy's full of this, this guy's full of that. And I would agree. You know, don't pay attention to any of it and just kind of absorb it. It's all good. I've had people reach out to me with like certain information.
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MITRE I'm just like, I try to tell him I'm not that guy. I'm happy to have a conversation and talk about the phenomenon, but I'm not going to offer you protection. I'm not going to like, I don't, I'm just a guy here doing, doing this podcast.
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MITRE However, you are of a different ilk. You are someone who will spend, you know, months and months and months trying to find someone who you don't even know exists, talking to them, and then get them to start talking.
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MITRE Yeah. And then they don't even want to go public at that point. So to me, that's like incredibly high conviction.
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MITRE The biggest, I talk about this all the time in all my videos, but the one that got away, maybe not, but is the video I made on Ed from Edwards 412 Test Wing, the guy who served as the test director for an electronics warfare group that dealt with ARV.
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MITRE I, every week, I still try and reach out to this guy all the way back in the day when I first reached out. Hey, can we talk? As soon as I say, even allude to an interest in, in Edwards blocked.
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MITRE Blocked. Okay. I reached out to him on a different email. Blocked. Okay. A different email. Blocked. Okay. Call him from a different number. Blocked. Text him from a different number. Blocked. Add him on Snapchat. He sees my message on Snapchat. Blocked. I went, I went so badly to speak to him. There's also a specific general that dealt with programs that I've, you know, interfaced with a few times that he and I had a call. He and I, he told me to call him.
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MITRE He said, okay, we can talk.
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MITRE Yeah. Call when ready.
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MITRE You called him and you were blocked.
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MITRE So either he did more research or he was told, hey, stay away.
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MITRE And the number wasn't my personal number though. This is like a...
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MITRE No way he could have known it was you.
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MITRE I know. And then even people Ed worked under at Edwards, commanders of the 98th range wing or Nevada test and training range. I've tried to reach out to, I've tried to reach out to DOJ prosecutors. So many people, very, very, very rarely with enough tenacity, will you actually be able to speak to people? It's so rare. Most people will not speak.
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MITRE And that's part of the answer to the question of like, why, how could you keep this a secret?
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MITRE You know, and when you really look at what's on the line for a lot of these people, it's, you know, obviously pension. It's obviously career, but it's also family. It's so much more. And it's really easy, you know, to get someone to not talk about something.
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MITRE And these programs are untouchable to DOJ DOJ. If somebody in the program, a higher up commits poor deeds, whether this be improper use of contractors, whether this be funneling funds that are already illegal, whether this be bringing uncleared persons to site, they cannot be prosecuted.
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MITRE Yeah. That's a problem.
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MITRE Untouchable. And they, you know, I'm a huge proponent in deep underground military bases. A lot of these times, these people don't even operate on the same elevation as their traditional military counterparts. I mean, if you got a dumb under Edwards and there's craft being stored down there, these guys aren't, these guys from the 412th test wing operating on the craft under Edwards are not with their compatriots in the 412th test wing in the random air conditioned buildings on the surface.
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MITRE Same with Dugway, the guys at the West Desert Test Center, the Induset industrial security personnel, they might only pop up to go test a craft in the Avery area that has an internal internal rail system possibly back down. It's crazy. And so many corporations throughout history that we would expect Lockheed Martin, TRW, the Rand Corporation, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, U.S. Navy SEABEs have all such extensive background in deep underground military bases, investigating cavities and so forth. I mean, even in 1964, the Army published a study of 12 deep basing sites.
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MITRE Same with the U.S. Navy SEABEs have all such a large number of sites that they wanted to build enormous caverns in. Of course, Inyo County that holds NAWC China Lake just north of Edwards is one of those. And even Area 51 was built, probably the underground section is built in a huge boron mine that existed right before Area 51 was officially built.
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MITRE Same with the U.S. Navy SEABEs have all such a large number of sites that were built in a huge boron mine in those mountains. I think it's just north, so maybe that's not where the infamous S4 is. But also S4, I also believe is a real site, even completely independent from Bob Lazar.
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MITRE Same with the U.S. Navy SEABEs have all such a large number of sites that have all of these sites, or even just a large number of sites that have all of these sites.
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MITRE Same with the U.S. Navy SEABEs have all such a large number of sites that have all of these sites that have all of these sites. And so, you know, I think this is the most anticipated movie in the UFO sphere.
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MITRE Same with the U.S. Navy SEABEs, you know, the project has all of them but also is it's the most decision that we're going to be like, you know, a large number of sites.
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MITRE Nash Well, because we talked about the sports model as well.
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gave all of its assets away to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, I think Mitre as
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Imagine being a Donald Kerr, former SAIC chairman, MITRE guy, NRO program B, intelligence, CIA,
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