uh wagant eventually kind of came to hearing montalier sorry hearing sergeants allen and
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on stephen greer's uh disclosure project archive wow so he was part of the 2000 disclosure briefing
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his life so he decided to speak out but so how long ago did you talk to him uh i talked to him
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he's a stand-up guy he's hilarious he's great uh so i i talk to him all the time but getting back to
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uh uap disclosure disclosure amendment i know i'm familiar with it but i don't i don't know a lot of
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going to crash us southcom thought this russian probe was going to crash uh either in the pacific or
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of spooky shit going on in south america in the 90s like there's a lot of there was a lot of uh ufo crash
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incidents yeah and there was uh a lot of i think that jacques filet book was earlier than the 90s
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this kind of stuff well because same year we have uh virginia brazil yeah james fox's big case right
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in 1978 in bolivia there was a case of a uh almost like a tic-tac like a cylindrical shaped object
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really interesting and then uh kind of rounding out the wagant story he was then on the on the 47
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to me and i emailed them uh just cordially saying like hey i'd like to talk to you about your time in
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call him the men in black telling people not to talk about their encounters right and these uh these
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of contractors contractors including raytheon uh lawrence livermore national labs sandia national labs
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that's what he thinks right he doesn't have any sort of uh confirming evidence for that it's just
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uh kind of love and light communication and these beings were very friendly to jonathan asking for
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morphologies and so forth yeah i'm sure you've heard uh i'm sure you've heard the story of annie
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so george knapp uh i'm trying to think about that guy's name it's slipping me right now she only released
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released his name because i think he's dead now yes so i'm trying to think and uh i'm trying to think
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basically what he told annie is that it was a russian drone that was flown here uh for by
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basically to make them look like aliens and they crashed it crashed whether on purpose or not and uh
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parroted by rick doughty uh air force said the same thing osi officer yeah and in greer's i think it
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tonapa just northwest yeah yeah the s4 stuff is crazy man i i don't know uh i don't think i don't
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remember if she talked about s4 in the uh in the area 51 book or not but it's really interesting some
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know building the um those uh those those blackbirds yeah those and the and the u2 and all that stuff
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the tic tac type stuff tic tac uh triangles saucers i don't know i think i i think it's a mix of
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their radar upgraded um now you know what dolan was explaining to me is that there's documented uh
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uh accounts of these underwater ufos coming out of the ocean in like 1717 which is crazy and and and
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it's crazy well i know you and uh dolan were talking about the subject of uso and i know you guys
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books uh such as the uh the intelligence community by jeffrey t richelson great book i
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operations keep track of and uh commence missions with some of our sensitive nuclear submarines
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the cia and neuro create the glow mark explorer to go retrieve the vessel and i think it embarks in uh 1972
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right and conventional wisdom only a third of the k129 is retrieved uh maybe more probably more and it
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really really interesting kind of connections with neuro come with uh chief scientist of special
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inventory of a collection of objects on the sea floor for national security importance uh ranging from
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basically a submarine rescue vehicle uh this was out of response to the loss of the uss thresher
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la-di-la-di-da and the dssv which is used for ocean surveying uh ocean engineering retrieval operations
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and so forth uh there were supposed to be six dsrv and six dssv the two submersible units built
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8 000 feet uh sea sea floor wow
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seafloor for 30 or 40 years and so eventually the team is tasked with rigging uh materials to the
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a lost uh f-14 off a u.s aircraft carrier but so the the object is rigged up uh you know the crew makes
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and i'm trying to track this down because mark uh drew sketches of this for art bell and he also
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point of like underwater bases right yeah there's a uh there's a great author his name's richard
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states but also published a ton of papers such as like uh self-contained nuclear reactors to power
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war ii there was uh there was a system called the roar bond by some german scientists which was a
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speeds and at this time uh hans kammler and various uh really nasty nazi scientists were using
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engineering of non-human technologies how are these programs structured uh what sort of communication is
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like let's say that some of his uh starlink satellites are interfering with the nro's ai sentient program
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whether it be like a full uh read in or not you know i'd wager it's probably high probability he's
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something like that yeah uh our good mutual friend jesse michaels was just on joe rogan and they
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lot of egng in nevada and this harkens back to 1997 where uh stephen greer uh brigadier general
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access programs and wilson went uh according to the documents according to the wilson davis memo
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posted by pseudonym sedge masters about a ufo crash retrieval team uh trw also bought up um bdm
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as well yeah i want to ask you about him to go work for uh in 1985 but trw in 1993 or 1994 right
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purchases uh trw in 2002 2003 and immediately pays off that lawsuit for them which is really interesting
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sap regulations and that's really interesting because uh as as far as i know from just people
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uh something like air force something like ed if he's really testing reverse engineer triangles so
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out there at uh at edwards air force base right right yeah another thing we we i think we glossed
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over in the beginning which i just remembered was during jonathan when jonathan was uh sent out to go
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heard uh air force personnel talking about craft entering and exiting earth's atmosphere at like mach 10
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stuff because he like he was is it true that like he was going in to try to like uh red team red whatever
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high level information and did greer know about this and willingly let uh barber in knowing that he
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uh whistleblowers who i have found in greer's dpi archive his disclosure project initiative archive
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under the number uh 10 8 9 2 this guy talks about being on an alien reproduction vehicle retrieval team
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at nellis air force base and uh kind of witnessing the touchdown of a sunflower extraterrestrial craft
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that he cut off contact with greer because he was threatened with uh inappropriate you know
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perplexing it really is man but also who knows greer's uh operational security is absolutely abhorrent
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them with their pension because some some of these high-level whistleblowers have uh spoken to greer in
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of uh the testimonies he receives i think he treats whistleblowers that come to him like his
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about that uh i don't i i don't i would rather err on the side of like pushing for disclosure instead
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counterintelligence field activity oh yeah yeah uh i on a pedestal of of like high level whistleblowers i
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put uh david grush and then um and then you know others but i don't like to engage in the drama but i
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would like to see a debate between those two uh greer and elizondo that would be really fantastic and
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disclosure project leslie kane uh you know the article of the 2017 new york times article she used
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november by the uh ufo hearings into the um disclosure fund event and i talked to her a long
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with greer and i think back in the day greer had a little bit of a different mindset uh i think maybe
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you know there's just so much fucking bullshit oh i know and especially uh official nonsense like dr
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sean kirkpatrick the head of arrow who is fraught with a lot of uh really weird past so you're familiar
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about them oh absolutely the miter corporation and uh like a group called the better angels
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and uh moultrie famously in in 2022 kind of debunked the subject of ufos and so forth kirkpatrick used to
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all that uh really whiny and then he goes on to work at oak ridge which is a department of energy uh ffrdc
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at oak ridge he also uh joins georgia techs uh let me see what it's called because i wrote this down
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um i can't remember but he went on as a join as georgia tech uh research institute uark a university
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university systems that are semi-private but mostly kind of dod and government owned that's why uh you
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and a lot of that good stuff but uh additionally since 2025 sean kirkpatrick he had formed his own
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strange connections there arrow stinks to high heaven uh they also are arrows also a lion organization
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so aerospace illustrator mark mccandless who had done a lot of work for popular mechanics uh various
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high profile client uh doesn't really name this person but connected with dod somehow possibly
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this year i found a 1990 interview taken to took place two years after this uh experience with brad
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locky pulsar which is it is a craft that looks like a pumpkin seed uh craft that is i think powered by if
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drawn by mark mccandlish that's drawn by uh that's wild bro have you seen the uh the cormorant the lockheed
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cormorant uh what is that i think uh jeremy wrist told me about this oh alien scientist yeah smart cookie
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yeah man he knows his stuff he uh type in lockheed cormorant that one's crazy looking whoa that thing
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explanation for so many of this you have so much of this i think so yeah i had this guy uh david
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morehouse on a couple times and he he worked in the stargate program oh cool yeah and he uh
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he was he came in here with like a whole uh presentation of classified military aircraft
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the most famous ufo sightings ever really including the phoenix lights he showed uh us like images of
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jello mold with half a dome on top steve would you look up flux liner uh two words these things are
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before taking off at rapid speeds uh just straight up so this thing to brad sorenson and brad sorenson
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jump seats uh so this craft was like jerry rigged that little ball handle right there it's really
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interesting in um tom de long's uh book i can't i can't names escape me right now secret machines he talks
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saying that you know we were never supposed to have these craft uh we took it from the beans we've
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uh according to brad sorenson according to what he saw these these were copy vehicles taken from
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present an at greer's disclosure project he would talk uh yes that's the first image right there
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this badly there's a much higher definition uh yeah that looks like it image same shape yeah so mark
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you know he dies as well in 2020 mark mccandlish was found with a self-inflicted uh gunshot wound to
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the head why and he said and maybe it was 2022 but he said that uh in interview shortly before in 2020
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happen to him uh court pillow under his pillow i'm sorry a pistol under his pillow yeah i'm sorry
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and he you know there's some rumors according to some close sources of uh mark mccandlish that he
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guy very respected great on crash retrieval but he's also really close with uh greer like really
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your family you'll never see it coming uh mark was a stupid dramatic uh fool you're gonna end up the
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of it steve just to make sure there's a a forensic artist named bill mcdonald he worked with uh yeah
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around so uh bill mcdonald of course drew that craft it's really interesting steve can you look up
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uh tahachapi triangle t-e-h-a-t-e-h-a-c-h-a-p-i triangle and that you know i've pressed bill mcdonald for
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the the sources on this subject as well for this uh triangular craft and he won't give them up that's it
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throat it's about molder he goes to uh air force base and uh to investigate a test pilot that's
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gone missing and encounters this craft uh chris carter and john de souza the fbi agent on which
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that design for the the x-files uh episode which i found really interesting really interesting so
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vehicle you know there's the triangles there's the saucers uh possibly what michael herrera saw
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and i think uh oh gosh who was it who was it recently steven spielberg even said that he showed
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seems to be pretty tapped in he's working on another kind of ufo film uh lately yeah i heard
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this earthquake disaster zone yeah and trying to capture like kids with like left-handed kids and uh
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similar like cats and dogs can like can sense different energies you know in the room it's uh it's
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uh you can look back to the claims of of lieutenant colonel philip j corso who of course he's infamous for
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forgot to do it he he just talked about uh trying to use brainwaves rain waves rain waves to control icbms
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and if you look at the old uh old files of leonard stringfield he talks multiple times about headband
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that a lot of the time with like uh you really got to slow down and demonstrate the capabilities of
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sky watchers top psionic guys is a guy named uh i can't remember his name it's escaped me right now
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of eggheads and uh lab coats brought in a briefcase and opened it up and it was a like a metallic swirling
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sphere in there almost like a palantir and told to just kind of look into it and react to it uh
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the description of that sphere is almost identical to a witness that jesse and i both covered uh randy
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oh yeah i remember this interview yeah and he was uh shown something called the off-world
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happening you know yeah and uh and i don't know it's it's almost like it's just so difficult to
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it goes because it's it's uh it's overbearing man it's so much to to handle and i don't blame you
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program but have no cross communication uh what role does the do the intelligence agencies play how
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mechanisms for such programs like back in the 80s uh the navy was being overcharged by the grumman
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at the pentagon for the air force research development test and evaluation panel chain uh he said in in two
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programs and then of course you have uh katherine austin fitz who talks about really creative funding uh from the
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international corporation and i'd love to tell you a really really intriguing story about uh saic's
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overcharging uh like the nsa seven like five to seven billion dollars for the trailblazer program
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mm-hmm which was supposed to be like a large-scale spine software uh right after 9 11 that was complete
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and she actually uh disclosed in i think 2000 and so her story goes in 1992 she was working at a fabric
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her sophia says hey come work for this contractor uh you know it better work yeah and so she shows
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budget so she uh she goes and tells sophia the woman that recruited her eventually and sophia freaks
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saic took over yeah yeah yeah saic huge huge into uh like telepathy telekinesis they have lots of
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walk doing like uh status updates every month on what they were doing and how they were doing i think they
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saic themselves they were they chaired the the panel that testified to the uh senate select
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annie jacobson lays it out really well in her first book uh area 51 and her most recent book about
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basically uh frack oil using nuclear weapons it's just insane like like you said all the all the uh
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you and jesse talked about it not only do they have ties to ronald moultrie who was uh
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nitinol was like accidentally discovered uh battelle memorial institute also ran something called project
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why does battelle have their own really secretive ufo program uh back in the same time as blue book
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of uh extraterrestrials or non-human intelligence are stored battelle also really smartly battelle
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university and another organization that formed like their own uh company to manage some doe labs for
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it was a woman and she was like uh i think she was a congresswoman and he was asking her about uh battelle
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and she goes excuse me what he goes battelle memorial institute she's like uh how do you
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big and had too many contracts it would be raytheon uh boeing booze allen hamilton maybe l3 l3 hair
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i i have quite a a bit of knowledge on the mitre corporation the rand corporation uh the aerospace
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really interesting uh which we'll talk about in a second but the so the rand corporation was built
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canadian department of transport memo that wilbert smith then created uh two ufo projects for canada
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which is a great case too yeah it seemed the esp remote viewing uh stuff seems to be like the at the
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accurate that movie is but it was uh you know it shows you just how much effort that all these companies
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the base and they were like brought through all these uh these like compartments and they finally
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people like them you know it's it's uh people that like aren't selling anything and that seem to be
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i don't know if i can if i buy that you know it's uh it's just like if they're if they were going to
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willing to go to that extent and send some guy into a mental hospital just to uh just to make
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about how like uh the 1967 malmstrom air force base incident was just like a large emp device that was
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minutemen missile operators by surprise turning off the icbms just uh so there's there's unfortunately with
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get as much corroboration for this military stuff and this technology stuff uh which is rare to see
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and uh you know like it's hard it's hard to find this stuff bro yeah the stuff that you're like that
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the doe cessna jets they owned in 19 96 from uh sandia national labs down to panama air force base
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it might take you like months to make yeah that's why somebody uh recently called me like a a podcaster
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everything about the contract and the agencies at play and so forth right you were mentioning uh
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uh manuscript versus the book the book talks the first chapter about corso sitting like isaac newton
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what what is what is your take on john alexander uh john alexander i don't know he what i what i
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in 1985 he went to attend this event at bdm mclean uh this event was classified using doe controls
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he talked to nasa mission specialist bob eschler bob eschler called him uh somehow they worked they
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inman appeared on project unity jay anderson's podcast and said he had found uh explanations
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stuff it's all a part of this big crazy deep state blob octopus uh and all these tentacles are
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and uh he was found uh he was found with his wrists slashed in a bathtub in a hotel room
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yeah and uh it's it's an amazing documentary and they they go deep into it the wackenhut stuff
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department of energy uh i mentioned the department of energy special response teams that are like
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trained by wackenhut and so they get wackenhut training uh wackenhut worked closely alongside indusec or
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it's interesting he said that uh he was the guy who said that a bunch of the stuff can be explained
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even the uh the the stuff that was leaked by the the 2017 uh new york times stuff yeah the footage of
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that or whatever you can easily explain that with uh because the what people don't understand is that
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getting okay so matt brown wrote the uh immaculate constellation report oh yes okay some of those
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and created the immaculate constellation report which was presented to uh the house in november of 2024
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uh jeremy corbell i think it was his report but shellenberg michael shellenberger presented it right
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interesting report and uh of course matt brown just did a three-part interview series with jeremy
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near virginia of having hangers owned by amentum i think it is uh that house some recovered craft really
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yes i didn't see it this was at south by southwest no no no this was uh this was early may oh okay um there
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was a uap disclosure fund uh meeting and i think it was admiral tim gallaudet lou elizondo chris
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mellon and uh eric davis speaking and there were some really interesting things said such as eric davis
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retrievals which would then create a whole new world of investigation for us in neuro and then uh
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uh videos and stuff really don't don't push the push the envelope there's endless debate over
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pictures and sightings and it's a huge problem because there had been previous uh pictures
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anyone have you seen the video i'm sure you've seen the video of the uh what do they call it the the
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was he's a new york university uh physicist physicist great guy right he worked for he worked for nasa
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for a while i think and he was telling me the whole story about the uh the japanese airliner
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compelling case there's also a spanish airliner case in the 70s of an actual plane uh commercial
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and airplane sightings from from all around the world it's uh and then you know another thing i
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them are of course maritime and uh uso sightings and some of these are like tic tacs hovering above
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oh yeah i think i remember him saying that yeah and then there i've talked to some uh
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talked about like uh they've mentioned aircraft carrier sized usos and this is a guy playing i'm not
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going to spoil it because i plan to talk to him uh kind of soon on one of my programs but that
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got to be some you know i know nasa is a very public facing uh organization but like you would imagine
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even before he was uh on nasa flights kind of chasing ufos in a in a jet while in service and there's
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yeah carl wolf talked about anomalies on the moon and how uh i think what they spoke about is carl wolf
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databases and found like a non-terrestrial officers list and uh i can't remember the ship but he he saw an
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maybe there is uh maybe there have been arvs that have been taken for a spin outside of uh outside of
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because uh i know it's uh it's frowned upon to to question the moon land yeah um but like there's a
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like it's also the only it's also the only technological feat in any sort of uh industry
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toxic like a leg according to um this guy we had in here uh bart sybrell who has all these documentaries
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world in which either gary mckinnon's uh non-terrestrial officers or the flux liner alien
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fits is so she uh sent me this book called uh i think it's called the rings of saturn have you heard of
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of the first probe that got like really close to saturn took a photo of the uh the ring around
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wow yeah it's just interesting somebody like her who's so smart right and she's uh you know
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she's she's a very reasonable rational rational uh smart human being also like believes in all this
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stuff like you know taking all this stuff from the nazis and and uh creating a breakaway civilization
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uh like elon's doge uh when she was explaining like like elon created doge to find all this waste fraud
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and abuse right but he's getting he's taking uh auditing like the irs social security the hhs
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dollar contract two weeks ago uh i don't think there's any uh optimistic outcome no of doing
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something like that no and he was also uh this recent uh falling out with him and trump oh my
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goodness part of it had something to do with uh elon really wanted this specific person to be the head
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because then of course uh elon implicated trump in the epstein files and he said that's why they're not
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you're not optimistic about uh this kind of doge platform a because we would lead towards a even
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transactions skimming off contracts overcharging uh all sort of siphoning off funds leftover funds
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constructed in pre-existing cavities without uh too much expenditure out of out of the budget and
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clandestine secondary operations to track those monies and one of the questions with these uh these
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national labs also in new mexico is an acknowledged stiff and then there are uh the army corps of engineers
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velocity yeah so it makes perfect sense yeah and of course the rand system and other uh other uh ffrdc's
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do you tell people your real name uh i think jesse said it once so it's it's okay okay so yes so go
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by saying i didn't know if you're keeping it secret oh no problem i just don't like when uh uh marines
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like coming up people should look forward to yeah absolutely so uh whenever one project's done i'm
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saic or it may be another interview with a former uh navy commander with some really interesting
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uh i try and uh lay the topics out as as best as possible if you want to start on one uh video for
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fucking phenomenal the uh that one right there reverse engineering at edwards that's the story
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experts to help roll out a responsible disclosure plan uh formerly it was uh uh mcconnell and rand
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paul i think that blocked this uh from the senate and then senate communicating with the house to get
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this passed so and i think there was some involvement of mike turner uh former rep that that uh he's the
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ohio guy right right patterson and then there's even some uh rumors of like the eminent domain
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discussion being talked about by uh travis taylor and jay stratton so i i truly hope that if that
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