the New York Times

and put it on the front page of the New York Times.

He didn't even want that in the New York Times.

and I was like, why didn't I go in the New York Times?

I guess the New York Times was looking into it for quite some time,

Well, so Leslie Kane is a staff writer for The New York Times.

I think her default was, I wanna do this on The New York Times,

Then you see the publications, like the stories had been published in The New York Times post.

The public's interest in UFOs started rising after the New York Times published an article in 2017,

on the front of the New York Times it's suddenly become a big part of the accepted lexicon to where

information to the New York to the New York Times where I think this was also where we got the

new term UAP which is also interesting and saying like all right front page of the New York Times like

the New York Times and I think like they they doubted that the whole thing is actually absurd

caveat it with whatever you want if you're the New York Times but to me not publishing that

They took those videos to the New York Times

On a platform that was you know perceived as a trusted one as the New York Times and that story coming out has definitely was the beginning of the shift that were that allows us to be sitting with you.

It's a recent report by the New York Times unveiled the existence of a real-life ex-files

It wasn't until the New York Times article came out in 2017 and I saw the video that

them to the New York Times.

I had the Washington Post and Politico and the New York Times competing for the story.

The New York Times seemed to be the best opportunity.

The New York Times had virtually no impact on the legislative or executive branches of

What changed if it wasn't the New York Times, then what made the difference?

It was only in 2017 when the New York Times article came out that my interest was really

momentarily but that those three videos that were released eventually by the New York Times by

in the New York Times and elsewhere and so you have that and then of course now you and I are

They worked with Leslie Keane, who was present today, Ralph Luehnthal, and Helene Cooper to publish the articles in the New York Times 2017 New York Times.

But in any case, he walked those tapes out on front pages of the New York Times.

operating out of the same area and even other areas later. But, you know, when the New York Times

You know, so I mean when I first saw the New York Times pop a massive day of,

Things where he's like, I'll tell you that right, but not on the camera. So I I went to the New York Times and said, I got it all. I've got the names. David Grush.

It was 10,000 to 13,000 feet in the air going 40 miles an hour. So but but what did it do? It opened the door for the for somebody like the New York Times to start saying aliens and using the vernacular UFO where news outlets can talk about John Stewart.

already 60s in the New York Times talking about it, you know, Kehoe, you know, Heineck over the years,

They bent the rules a little bit and onto the front page of the New York Times.

It's one of the things that's stifled discourse on this until I think the New York Times

UFOs ever since the New York Times article in 2017.