Hal

But I talked to Hal Puthoff about it and he said they used it to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers, which is nuts.

Apparently we found it first, according to Hal Puthoff.

Hearing Hal put off talk about it.

You know the Hal Puthoff stuff?

Hal Puthoff, during the Bush administration, was assigned—he was one of many scientists,

Well, they, the, Hal Puthoff always talks about the UFOs engaging in what he calls signature management, where they control what they sort of look like or appear to be an optical and radar and that sort of thing.

don't believe Grush, you don't believe Hal, you don't believe Eric Davis or any of these

With Hal, or was it Hal?

I think it's more interesting in a sense that somebody like, you know, I've spoken to Hal Puthoff about this,

Pretty serious guy, Hal Puthoff.

But Hal Pauvenmeyer also showed up originally.

In fact, I had dinner with Hal's wife this weekend.

One thing Hal told me, Hal Pappenmeyer, we were, we loved him.

My children loved Hal because he became, you know, my dad died in 2013 and he, Hal came in 2008.

But Hal told me he died in 2019.

That's where Hal was at the end.

So with like Hal Poppemeyer.