offshoot phenomena related to ufos that are bizarre and frightening on their own there's there's no more
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over the place he was there with jay allen hynek on project blue book in the beginning he became a
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you know he's done boots on the ground research in brazil in argentina in france elsewhere in europe and
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and probably the best writer on the subject in my estimation in the world so you know getting jacques
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valet on weaponize is something you and i have imagined and have talked about but until today i never
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really was sure we would do it yeah you know as i said in 2019 on the rogan podcast it's jacques
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everybody was talking about the extraterrestrial hypothesis you know he pushed that on its head and
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on now now look he's very mercurial he's like a jazz musician he'll talk and and you have to like
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really got the most insight from that it's just one-on-one dialogue but the reason i wanted to
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have him on today is because a few of the revolutions that he's created in this field is really about um
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with military government craft and that sort of thing so having him on today i think is really
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thought that was such a cool and mercurial way to look at it so this is a jock valet on weaponize a dream
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to you on weaponize for a long time you and i spoke a few months ago earlier this year but there's always
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congress are frustrated that they're not quite getting what they want and can you reflect on
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impressive place in washington um i obviously we we went over you know a lot of details and so on so my
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developed would have on the post office and that was very interesting because uh i was there you
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wait and that the technology would help them and so on uh i had concerns about that because i could see
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is the last time you put a stamp on a letter on a handwritten letter that you mailed okay and
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on but they it has to be balanced with the social reality and you know the uh the bureaucratic reality of
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what's going on but those meetings are not science meetings they are not technology meetings and a lot
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and my point was they should concentrate on packages because people will want to send more packages
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with the software that we're developing which is that's what's actually you know what went on and
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well in part uh i think this is backfield because there is a new generation of people discovering ufos on
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the web on you know and they don't know the the depth of the information and who was involved and what was done
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so if you suddenly try to make a decision uh about publication of certain things and so on people
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that were done and so on uh nothing has been said about the data with the database which was really a
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process on on the computer we recruited you know about 25 to 30 people who were investigators translators
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name is on on the first one so i'm not you know uh disseminating any great secret but the information
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the database is useless okay it's uh you can yeah you can put ai on top of it but the ai is going to go
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pictures and so on but the real data in the field and uh we don't know where that is you know the
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the the the project was cut off um usually as you know i had clearances on other projects at stanford
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research institute working with dr putoff and and his team and so on and uh at the end of the project i
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and then it lands uh it may be 40 feet in in diameter and it makes an impact on the ground
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a house on the coast and me and my family you know we've seen something and uh and i say well can i can
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you know you know people on wall street have to know that i'm i'm a serious guy and i run into that
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they may have that kind of information but so far they've only concentrated on on the the armed forces
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from the public and uh sending people there to do analysis and so on and you know i've worked i've been
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working with them on enough for a number of years uh and uh that's not considered necessarily as a threat
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working on it you know openly for two years and there may even so there is even the curve that uh people
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secrecy things and so on but if if uh if you're told something which is sensitive and you don't keep it to
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the system works it works on trust and people think silicon valley is all new stuff it's not new stuff it
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community who were tasked to work with researchers and so on to help do exactly that get documents and
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SOP them i was told by a member of the academy of sciences who had worked on ufo's
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format so i've restarted to work on it but to work on it by myself now fortunately you know computers now
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uh and i'm i'm doing it on my own now uh just out of curiosity for the the years that i may
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know as time goes on the first one was the uh the presentation i made at saw you know a few weeks ago
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on over that forest and um and i have the wood you know i still have it not not here it's a safe place
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to brief them on the history of all that and um i'm going to continue that that study we want to get the
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that the the the witness saw the object pulsating and the the calculations on the energy would give
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and Dr. Condon recomputed the energy and found twice as much from the actual distances and so on,
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So I have all the data, so I'm going to continue working on it,
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And now we have four more years of research on it.
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La Combe, the character based on you, arranges this meeting with aliens.
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Cufas and APRO especially and so on.
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And, uh, that's, that's how you get to the, to the truth instead of, you know, going off on a tangent somewhere.
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Doesn't really, you, you have to, you cannot base it on secrecy because sooner or later, somebody is going to sell it to somebody.
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I mean, you know, too many spies in Washington and so on, they, you know, that again, that information will be sorted and changed and used.
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Knowledge is based on trust.
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I mean, there were 80,000 people there, you know, on the last apparition.
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in terms of the vegetation and so on.
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on the same day of the month.
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you know, current in all of Europe and so on.
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carrying food and so on
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Of course, the impact of Fatima, like the impact of the miracles in Mexico and so on, has been enormous.
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But the impact on humanity has been important.
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The impact on belief.
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You know, they have not, they have not attacked me on, on that basis because they know better.
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Lacombe, the character and in close encounters based on your life arranges and, and coordinates this meeting between humans and non-humans.
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It was on TV and so on, uh, because it wasn't contained within the company.
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He was able to build trust among everybody from, you know, the, mostly he was on the right.
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Uh, he was accused of being on the extreme right, but he had the communists with him.
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He had the communist, you know, the, the, the, the, the resistance itself in the factories, in the trains, in the, you know, in the mines and so on.
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You know, they are staying in on their campus doing their research, uh, and they don't trust.
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The, uh, the, uh, UFO, uh, medium, you know, the UFO, they don't trust what they see on TV.
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And, uh, it left imprints on the ground.
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And this high and it's round and it's perfectly round on top.
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We continue to work on it.
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So she gave the camera to the girls on the back seat.
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So this was about seven years ago and, you know, way before the, all of the stories about drones and so on.
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They don't want to be on TV.
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They don't want to have to testify to the police and so on.
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But when Jacques showed me that I had heard about the case, it's just amazing that there's still so much reporting going on, but it's not going to a central location.
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Jacques, I don't know if you know it, but we're coming up on the 30th anniversary of NIDS.
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But the fact that it had government money in, in Bass, put limitations on where it could go.
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Uh, people will say, oh yeah, you know, I, I heard of that case, but there was a new case just this morning on TV.
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And he's been doing research in Africa on, on other, uh, you know, other things that are part of that family.
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So when you talk to the scientists, they, they are not looking at the last thing that was on TV.
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Green worked on, on my, my data warehouse for two years, expanding it in certain areas.
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And I implemented it based on the structure that the specialist gave me, which is what you do in, you know, when you're a computer guy.
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And that, that information can be contained and you're all in the same room working on the same device.
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I've tried to pin you down on this question for as long as I've known you.
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It's about the control system, a theory that you proposed, a hypothesis you proposed more than 50 years ago, that there is some sort of a control system imposed on humanity, on Earth from somewhere else, that it limits what we can do.
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And as you, as you know, I've done a lot of computer work on, on this, looking at the in, at the inner structure, not, not the raw data, the filtered data.
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If I step out on the balcony, you know, I'm going to get a completely different temperature.
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The firemen of Munich were not happy and they were on strike.
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After three weeks, they were no longer on strike and they were driven back to Munich.
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Uh, and, uh, he went on to be, you know, a,
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Um, he was in a, he said that was a control system, uh, but it could be open or closed depending on the conditions.
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So I suspect that that's true based on the people I've met, but, uh, they were not the people who are running the program.
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And, uh, where there was structured interaction with it on a continuing basis by specialists from different areas.
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And they looked in under the, uh, under the thing when it was in the truck, in the army truck, which was on the side to go under the overpass.
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In the sense of we think about propulsion with engines and fuel and so on.
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I told him, Ingo, I can't go on.
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And I was in, in that classified room, you know, on the third floor of the SRI, in Menlo Park.
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And I said, Ingo, you know, I'm on a roll here.
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And after doing more, more research on that case that I presented at.
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So, you know, we've continued to talk to physicists about this and so on.
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You know, Jacques, I just wanted to say, um, you know, thank you so much for coming on.
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You have created such a huge impact on the way that we look at the UFO phenomenon, which you yourself admit we still don't know much about, but I'm going to ask you the same question to end this episode that I asked you on my ranch that day.
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Uh, I think we learn more and more about it as time goes on.
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