corbell jeremy how's it going pretty good man how you doing good you've been on the road a little
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we do including this particular episode so you know as as we know all too well the the ufo public
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craft and there are some members of congress that say they want the same thing and you know expectations
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my personal expectations are pretty low as usual you're the optimist of the group you know the
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created by the osap investigation not one page has been made public if you ask dia they say they can't find
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them you can file all the foil requests you want they've utterly failed so the only things we know
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with some minor uh contributions and um you know the fourth and final book about all sap is now out
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least in the osap program and then you know jeremy as as you know he doesn't grant many interview
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uh you know people are always demanding actual data these books are packed with evidence and data
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effects on humans bizarre phenomena um you know there's never been a story quite like this and
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including this latest one it's like a glimpse behind the curtain you and he have had some
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lakatsky it's great to have you back on weaponized can't thank you enough for your time i was reviewing
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the conversations that we've had on this program and the conversations that you and i have had over the
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years not uh recorded and there's a there's a big gap in that and that is about you you know we really
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haven't got into you and i asked this question in the context of claims that have been made about
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capacity everyone involved in osap atip uaptf are all part of a cult and you've been pushing your
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uh about you what your degrees were in how you ended up at dia and what you did for dia before you
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are you doing anything and of course by that time the answer became no and so everything was under
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undercover in a sense even from within my own group i just wanted to keep things controlled and you've
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friend jay stratton is you two guys were both at dia at the same time with different sort of specialties
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and then and eventually you guys compared notes and and we know what the the rest of the history is is
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that sort of correct is how you remember it well it is in a very broad terms uh we had uh he was part of
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of wow you know skinwalker ranch that is the wildest place i've ever heard of and little did they know
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you know what was going on a few cubicles away from them but we had to keep that under wraps it's not
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there your job is to look for threats and assess threats and um and and at some point you thought
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well maybe this is a threat that's why it's worth looking into it's not your religion you're not part
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because they spread faster than you could ever keep up but the false information i mean one of the
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really caught traction and i said where did this come from but you know there's some humorous things
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in there too of course over the years you had no religious type beliefs about ufos aliens
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couldn't repeat things but new cases as you know kept popping up all the time jeremy take it away
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yeah i just wanted to know kind of a little bit more about your background because you don't talk about
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it a lot but if you do some deep research you know you can kind of see that you you worked on like
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academically fusion research you know power and then utility in the utility sector kind of nuclear
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find out where you were working and what you were doing it looked like from the university of tennessee
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nuclear engineering you did a master's thesis called plasma engineering analysis of small tors torsation
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torsatron to reactor torsatron reactor and um when you were there also so you focused on the plasma
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and uh we can't talk about that at all because and i can tell you because it was a very advanced weapon
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of the time in the uh 80s and 90s right so it might be now but but you're i just want to make sure so
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you think about it still classified it okay it is buildable now it is buildable now so yeah so you
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yeah i think that's interesting you don't talk about that but you've kind of admitted now that part of
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levels and not in other words you wouldn't have to put much money uh energy in in order to go to the
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ignition state so george i just want to make sure um you know we kind of know who we're talking with so
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here's a man who's you know highly trained in in energy and uh turns out weaponry and in theoretical
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weaponry he's kind of looking far ahead which leads us to kind of you know maybe a little bit more how
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i know him which is through his defense intelligence work yeah yeah and that's why i was i felt in you
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the corrections your latest book the last uh book that you intend to write about osap you've told me
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had three more were needed and actually what you said as a putting a period on all of this is a final
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do this i think both of you are doing it but if you go through all four of the books you can see the
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structure that we first put in skinwalkers in the pentagon as a future program you can see that matches up
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or omission correct there you know in fact we were very diligent in doing our threat analysis because we
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had access to the highest levels of threat intelligence but you had to release it at the secret level so
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program it was com it was highly classified but everything you got out here and checked by the
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pentagon is unclassified but the story's in there i can't emphasize that anymore you're going through it
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you know the deepest move of this book as i'm reading through it it's not like one sensational claim
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uh dr lakatsky you're like building an institutional argument kind of that the u.s government ran a serious
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call ufos is that fair to say that you know you followed the data into the taboo that's correct uh
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out in las vegas where i came i just made the statement and you were there george i made the
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it's i always think back it's like a a phd thesis a a dissertation could be like the wild west you just
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you go off on something new and innovative but you're moving ahead uh that's what needs to be
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isn't going to cut it anymore and possibly even not close landings but you know we're going to have to
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to non-humans is that correct well from this study we are from this study we are you know not everything
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is in here but everything is in here it's just that how you read this is very important and it was
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done that way so we could release it how do you read it there's some big stories in here that no one
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is pursuing they're in the four books well how do you read it just like you're doing you read and
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you're and but you have to think too and you're doing it you're i have no problem but i'm not sure a
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no way are you the four books again i mean it seems like it's the equivalent disclosure given that
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did happen uh what you don't do in the books is sort of draw conclusions um hey these are aliens these
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are et's these are not us um do you have conclusions from before or is it something that you purposely
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want us to arrive at on our own i did george you need to arrive at it on our own because we can't give
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you a final answer say say if i told you and i'm correct just say i i told you that you know five percent
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of what you need to know and the government doesn't know much more there are people that think they
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that way as in you didn't like the term textbook it's been used on reviews of these books but
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a guide books let's use that term guide books uh do you remember the old days when you could open
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buy at the at the store maps you had to draw you know a paper map and heaven help if you took your
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eyes off the steering wheels but because you had to read the map but there is not the iphones weren't
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providing you anything uh the early days of the iphones providing you things i even knew people that
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you know went down dead ends where there was a road or or they came to a water barrier
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does anyone know does anyone you know know the answers to the big questions who are they is it
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you know the answers to those and does anyone else in the government intelligence community know i don't
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fact you're not wasting your time doing research as you're doing it the both of you and anyone in the
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public who decides to if if it it comes to it i mean you can't say i'm going to work on flying saucers
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by the way no one has ever raised the question in these books where whatever happened you know this
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all the locations uh and you know you you've got some general themes throughout these are craft many
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it's happening all over the world and everything that you've written in these four books is approved
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in a sense you had to get permission to publish it including some pretty controversial elements of it
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so the reaction of course from the naysayers is this is drip drip drip um you know it's it's government
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propaganda it's preparing us for a false flag um are you happy now that the four books are done with
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with what you've been able to share and are you frustrated at all by things that you were not able to
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we've just opened up the door by saying hey this is real you need to do your research your due diligence
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if you expect the the government to carry the ball on this i wouldn't uh but uh that uh it's wide open now
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you can't say i'm going to research ufos and have a medical degree you can't do that in advance if it
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comes to you while you've uh had your medical degree and people are claiming they've seen flying saucers
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or seen aliens or whatever at least you're open to that these books i expect young folks if they read
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them and that's you've given me another idea george should we do a young person's book
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needs to be mentioned in high schools we are looking at and all of that to all of that you often say
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informed on the uap issue do you do you feel that way because you push for that a lot that we should have
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systems that it can be better handled but jeremy you're correct the history is being lost as we
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of fraser verse ali got a direct question um you know rep burleson is kind of like the people's champ
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that he went to pa i'm telling you george and i as journalists like he went to pax river we're sure
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non-human intelligence craft like the one that you admitted to that we breached the whole of so my
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question is you know have you ever been to the pax river facility and is there a craft there how was
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it was big enough it you know there's memories fade like that when you're looking at a big building and
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sometimes when i look at big buildings they don't seem quite as big when you're there but this could
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with the world to a degree you really break down specific effects that were measurable physical effects
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of strange signals um you give data data concerning the number of sightings of
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shouldn't exist and and others and you it's not just based on the ranch itself you guys for osap you
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had this increasingly large concentric circles around the ranch you went out there talked people into
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sharing their stories and and inevitably you heard these stories though people were reluctant to share them
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wasn't someone who was giving us things that you know we we wanted to hear uh that these cases were
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how do you explain that i mean it's almost like there are two different realities but we
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because by the way you just didn't walk up to the neighbor of the of skinwalker ranch and and ask
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them strange questions they would have thrown you off the uh uh off their property that's the the the
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suburban yeah and who who out there you know george who out there dust their shoes off in riz dress
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just odd it's sort of the brilliance of osap that you were willing to follow the evidence wherever it
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that was a government program you think those reports would have bubbled to the surface or they
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aren't well let me tell you what's happening around our house or our property that has to slowly be
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pulled out and you were involved in some of those discussions george it has to be slowly pulled out
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want them to think we're a nut do you ever do you ever feel like you're working against our own
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government in in this way that it's so compartmentalized this uap thing that you found that the license
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to gather that information but i think that's one of the uh i think perhaps jeremy you're not looking at
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thin air so to be there was like so that everybody's gonna go there like it's las vegas uh can you
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from a hundred years ago i mean george george i just i'm just real quick so like you and i were
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program out there that predated osap you've never heard a project javelin have you no dr lakatsky no
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in this new book future visions is you verify that there were unusual electromagnetic signals that seem to be
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days and at the same time in the same section of the book you say that there were counter measures
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taken by osap bass uh to see if you could figure out if somebody some human agency was messing with you
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can you share with us uh the the nature of the signals that you detected and whether the counter
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basically it all started uh we we became concerned about security as you probably know george pretty
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be doing this up at the ranch you'd be spied on yes and so we brought in professional organizations that
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uh but perhaps those people had departed because you were being spied on though you were trying to study
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uh we had counterintelligence you know who's in charge of it in this country is the fbi we had
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them come in and do briefings and what's the current status at both locations and so you know we did our
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a problem who was trying to spy on you uh who was trying to spy on you
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uh well you it's some or all of the above i mean or none of the above but it it that's the only
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conclusion you could come to because you know we never traced it back to the source the main thing
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and as you noted in in the books being complete what were they really learning other than the fact
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that hey this is legit well i've admitted this is all legit uh you know there's we didn't keep
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secret documents at the ranch that was all back in vegas uh so uh you there were some amazing uh
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that seemed to be coming from the mesa um did you ever figure out what those were and why was it
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you know that was by a reliable person now you already know about the levitating objects uh you know
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we um we didn't try to explain as you've commented before and certain events that were clearly off the
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repetitive in the area i was saying i wasn't the only one to see something in that location you did
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experiments attempting communication with whatever it is um how did they work out did you find anything
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substantive and in general would you say that communication is possible with whatever it is whatever
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whoever they are well uh bob bigelow uh directed column and column handled the you know the legitimacy of
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versus being in las vegas the exact same plants and there were you know i guess i haven't really
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mentioned it in the book what we would have to assume to be time anomalies there too you know with
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analyze it and we were we were doing the best we could we interrupt this program to bring you a special report
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uh uh uh what would you describe that it's more lunchtime get-togethers that's uh and george is laughing
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what do you describe it as but no a tip was the name was created uh for use in senator reed's letter
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and we we've kind of beaten the dead horse about this but um you know you talk about that name coming
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up in the reed letter for a material transfer you you are talking about a ufo the transfer of a ufo or
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ufo hardware right well it'll be material transfer yes because you can't say more or you don't know
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more because when you say it like that it feels like you're you're diminishing what a reality and
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a truth is if you can't say you can't say it but we're talking about a material transfer related to uap
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hardware yes or no i mean well jeremy what would you think the answer would be well i know what the
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answer is i'm just curious if you can say it i don't think that i that i should i think that the
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really mean well dhs and answer the question right there yeah you get accused of talking in circles
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think it's like you know if you're ever going to say it it's now when you're talking about a material
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words well that's an answer and i'm surprised they're being said you know there's i saw something
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more about reed's letter but what what do the both of you think i think they were moving a ufo from
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lockheed martin um you know to trying to move ufo from lockheed martin to to the offset program am i an
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would be the first thing you would do then then a transfer
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uh you'd want to see area what are you getting yourself involved with
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uh-huh so that's that's so let's not put put too many words to that letter you would you know it
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we were looking for a list so you shouldn't put too much into that letter other than it was a broad
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the book go baby steps if people want to get a hundred percent answer no one has that to give you
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so plan out how you're going to research and verify and and don't uh don't dismiss deception
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themselves could be deceiving humanity haven't you and both you and george encountered profession
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they wanted to make you think by playing games sometimes they went too far they just plain weren't
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doing their job as an instructor so i i don't want to be like that but they wanted to have you come to
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i'm saying you're you see it throughout your life i've seen it throughout my life yes in school okay got
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you it's a standard technique i'm handing it over to george i'm doing my best um i'd like to return to
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sort of the origins of osap and you know you've covered different threads through the four books but
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you know the first very first incident case investigated by osap was tic tac maybe the most
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years later and uh you know the implication keeps leaking out from we think we know who um oh yeah
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that the capabilities of that weapon system would be revolutionary change the world maybe you could
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conquer the world with just one of them if we had it but take us back to tic tac what you've learned
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then what you've learned since was that ours or was it somebody else's and i ask in the context of arrow
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which the last time we talked out of conversation here you basically agreed with us that it looks like a
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ours do we have anything like it and if we did why the hell don't we use it what do you think well i think
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you're you're you're right asking the right questions i'm not the right one to answer on some of them
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others i am but what do you think do you think that that that's such a machine from 25 years ago was
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when it was seen not 25 uh 22 22 uh you think we wouldn't see some evidence of of of that machine now
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you know come in handy it would come in handy uh i mean we saw some unusual craft that have come out
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postulated at the time and that we're certainly seeing now uh you know now we're talking about
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and you know crumbs that you've picked up in the forest you know that would be quite the crumb
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uh if you know what i mean yeah if there are crumbs left in the forest for you to follow
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device as you saw in in uh in some of the specialized studies here which weren't much of a study
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one in florida and one out west in addition to these so uh you know are these just mundane objects
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you have a couple of sections in this new book about the russian files the thread three files
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and where it led can you give us a summary of what you learned from those uh what was learned and the
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significant conclusions that you could draw from the documents that came back from from the ussr former
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ussr well as you know we trans translated them uh we got a distribution and discussion approved by dia
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well i'll ask you this just as a guess theoretical question you know you're our mutual friend and
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makes me wonder if you're not stating what who they are where they're from it sounds like it's a non-human
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not in the way you think a machine machine we're not let's not go back to the old star treks and the
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when the critch comes to shove but the fact is is that uh as as you well know among any of us here or
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and it is unusual too what you designed for the cover it didn't turn out that way correct
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um can you submit a higher resolution cover and uh in in really in both cases
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amazon produces these the entire star field disappears i have no idea why but the the basic what you see
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here on the covers you know on the previous one on new insights the the square was suggested and drawn
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totally contrary to my request totally maybe ai knows something you don't well it is or it's better designer than i am and has more
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more more thoughts into it i mean it put into the the sheeting if you look real close there's there's panels on the uh on the uh the square
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it put it in so i utilize ai in in regard to the cover but i will tell you that not one word other than
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documents when you don't know what's in the document so i'm having to come up with innovative i've asked ai
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you know uh mr bigelow our mutual friend yes gave me the green light to go ahead and say to congress
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and he you know that's the first time he's ever said yeah you can go ahead and say it publicly under oath
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and then you know that's the first time you're going to be able to do it um the implication is that there are
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other materials out there uh you have written in a previous book there was an entire craft of unknown origin
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interest among the public certainly to see whatever there is you and i and jeremy know they're only going
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you know anything short of that people will be pissed off about it and can you imagine a time
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when something will be released publicly that goes beyond you being able to say there's a craft we got
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unusual material to being a little aerospace would you predict that that will go further at some point would
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you say it's likely to happen now under this administration that says they're going to release
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the files uh i can see it happening but you you qualified your questioning uh there with under this
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believe so but it will it'll go further you know in the future excuse me it'll go further
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a lot of the things we as you can tell i'm deflecting your questions oh and they never happened before
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here right no it's the first time but uh the thing is is is i really can't go further you know i i think
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that uh you mentioned was it the last time i interviewed with you uh that uh uh congressman burleson
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had stated that um you know my testimony wouldn't be any more insightful than these books that is a
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because i'm not answering right now you're you're pushing the envelope you've gone beyond the envelope
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and i can't answer that way so you could answer to congress even if they had you under oath you
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you asked a specific question there about congress i couldn't answer
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if other individuals or an individual asked me higher level wow equivalent level in the constitution so you're
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allowed to protect information even from congress i've been told that before and i've been you know
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hope that no one is lying to congress however i know differently in these hearings you do know that
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on who's lied and what did they lie about oh i could never say that why are you are you not allowed to
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know there's a lot of this going on these days but let me tell you that there's people who don't know
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the difference between a lie and exaggeration and pure fantasy okay but just as you you've said it hold
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on you've said it so let's let's eliminate who didn't lie because i think that's important to do to
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them because you just want to target on people so dylan borland did he lie oh i would never say that
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no you wouldn't say that because it's not true he didn't lie no i wouldn't say that because i don't
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know okay well that's different so you know of somebody that lied but that is not dylan borland correct
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i i haven't i don't know him at all no no okay but that that's important because you said somebody
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lied in congress and you're aware of it so you're isolating somebody that lied and it's important
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senior chief wiggins not jeff mucitelli oh here you're going to go through all the people no i'm not
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going to do that i'm just going to make sure that our audience understands that when you've said somebody
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particularly has lied in congress and you know it but you won't elaborate that we take the the the
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bullseye off of people that i know you're not talking about so that would be there's no bullseye
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statements and i guess leave that sleeping dog lie oh don't start saying those words man you don't know
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what you just did um sleeping dog right i i hear you but it's important to me because i helped bring
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who have testified and and those are the people you brought in you're saying i brought in almost
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otherwise but it could be that they're just totally deluded okay but i mean i think i know what you're
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referencing and i just think it's important to just separate the people so that you don't paint the
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process and you're doing it but uh you you can't you can't come to an answer by just getting another
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because you don't realize what it takes when people go up there and and they raise their hand and you're
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sure i know you can't i can't help you with that and besides that i i wouldn't uh there when people
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about them back to the idea of disclosure you know the public has its ideas of what disclosure should
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disclosure given that everything you've written has been authorized by the various people and agencies
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in the process as of this time it's it's effectively as you said jordan's disclosure is there concern if
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you think forward in what disclosure in the forms it could take whatever trump and and uh the his agencies
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might reveal in the future and we have no idea what that might be do you can are you concerned about
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the stock market crumbling from anything that you suspect could be released but hasn't yet to be
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released well i'm i'm i i think you would be getting an incomplete story an incomplete narrative if
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pushed a little bit further can you just elaborate on that oh yes sure you would be getting an
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incomplete story an incomplete story i mean if if if you're satisfied with the fact that they would
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reveal that there is uh alien technology being encountered and that there are aliens if you were
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be really jeremy think about if you would be satisfied with just that would you be well you know me and
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you know i wouldn't be but you also know that that's a good starting point what you just said as an
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well i don't think you can stop it at this point if the words you just said were said by our president
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and we could bang hammers on a craft of non-human origin you know an extraterrestrial maybe even
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craft try to you know bring some propane torches just to get a feel that that is true that would
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be a disclosure you know disclosure day the movie's coming up that would be a disclosure that i think
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you you know you tell me but what it's going to do is stop hiding the nature of reality and so if we got
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and nuclear reactions exist if everything was revealed to you right now would be so incomplete it would
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that there are there are people that might think they do but they don't okay that's all you know
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look and it's not a personal attack on you this is um something i feel very passionate about which is
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that it is nobody's right tell you jeremy it comes across as that and it comes across to the public as that
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complete and it's truthful and i'm telling you that there's falsehoods out there they're being led down
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sorry for me by you know uh the way i had to be badgered and i had people reinforcements jump up
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talking about the more fundamental in in human nature so you've had me say a lot more i look like
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i have a calm demeanor all the time where i actually don't you know the fact is when i'm seeing total
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it was the way it was unceremoniously ended you know it was just a couple letters went out
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denied didn't exist don't you think i already knew that already this was the third attempt for that
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fail what i didn't know and the surprise what i didn't know was something i can't tell you right now
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recovered technology can you give us a hint or can i give you a hint no i can't give you a hint
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you're going to have to come to that conclude conclusion i don't think i ever be allowed to
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the secure line because i was what you want what
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let me tell you one big spin up and one real problem we had was the discovery of those phones
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that that brought attention on this project like you wouldn't believe and it was from the religious
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the room literally so it was it was i'm i'm giving you a story in one sense about the experience that i had at dia
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warned you you need to stick keep clear of i didn't even work there and i'm being warned by hooted
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you know they're in a uh they've got the management a year and i'm talking top level the directors a year
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and you know don't engage with them don't say the slightest word wrong uh it was just unbelievable
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and i'm in fact it's a story both of you would love to hear and that's why i'm convinced this will
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never go forward again you may find out some pieces and that you would like to find out that the
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counterintelligence people have approved but you know as a comprehensive program that was let loose to
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let's call it what it was you know we spent money uh we didn't fail on all the documents the 38 we
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you know that and it's the important story jeremy that's important to you it's the important story
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and you know and some of the material we acquired show that it's far beyond it is about craft there's
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but you know it's constantly had reading about me do i monitor the web i monitor it very closely because i
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but you know it's hard to around fools and i know what they say about the both of you too let's not
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well let's not be i know that but hey you know and i don't say i do i interview with it despite that the
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fact is i think you're both great guys and you've helped a lot but you know don't become obsessed with
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this don't go to the to the grave thinking that i will learn everything by the time you know i i make my
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flight to heaven well i i maybe you will but i just want to learn then i want to learn the next piece you
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know and me pushing is just because i don't have much option here um you know i really appreciate
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um all that you've done known and unknown for the the movement that people call disclosure but really just about
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telling the truth um i got a bunch a bunch of messages uh yesterday and today people kind of you know i've talked to
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they wanted to thank you people that that you know have raised their hand or not they they want to
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thank you for everything that you've done you know within government and publicly and put yourself out
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there to you that to you but it doesn't come across on the internet that way yeah uh it doesn't come
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well you know just give up right now but i tell you there are the people out there who are going to
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because i had i was working on you don't know about this but another case and another big case
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but uh we had our failures too i don't emphasize them but you i think people can kind of read between
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the lines and see well you went to brazil and you went there really to get a blood sample of a particular
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individual and that and you were promised that from the key individuals both here and in brazil that
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that would be obtained and it wasn't obtained you know because i'm quite used to having the rug pulled
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is the ultimate um you've been optimistic in in previous conversations you know about where this could lead
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the same could be could go in the wrong direction you wrote these books and these books will resonate
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or we're asking the wrong questions but what you've done will last the test of time jim you realize that
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going but uh uh you've got your hands full to convince people even on your weaponized show i i know
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that you've got a a bunch of supporters but i i'm wondering how many are here for entertainment uh well
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about what they're talking about but as as i told you in our last interview they speak with this
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feel bad um i'm pressing dr james lakatsky uh vau george has become a friend to a degree in that you know
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i know where his heart's at and know what he's trying to do and he does get a bad rap you know people say
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well you can't say this and this is you know z but you've just said a all the way up to um y but
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you can't say z so he you know look i have to press him a little bit but out of out of love and out of
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skin for online stuff like maybe you and i have to um look at what he's done look at what he's given you
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uh first a legal one you know he made oaths it's his honor on the line he made a promise he would
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important lesson from him both in this conversation and in others that you and i have had with him
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conversations with him and with others you know we've long suspected nobody really knows the
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answers to this you and i've been pretty far up the food chain asking the same kind of questions
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kona blue as if it is real you know the popular conception is it ended that dhs kicked it out
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but converted to kona blue so he's he's not like hinting at it he straight told you that kona blue moved
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program yeah you're right and he said something even further in another conversation with me he said
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know what it is right yeah he can't say right you probably cannot say for natural security reasons
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in the most just specific direct you know order and it's got to be frustrating that people are out
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and we have to transfer this information and there's so much fantasy out there and i've given you
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like books that are exact which you know they are with him so yeah he is meticulous for sure and then
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you know obviously he's also shared with us before that he's dropping some breadcrumbs here he wants us
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attention to it he's he's you know connecting dots sometimes subtly and and and it goes right over
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well we're all we're all frustrated when we talk about you know trying to figure out what's going on
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especially if you get from a guy like him who says look i don't know anybody that knows the full picture
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that's got to be kind of scary too you know yeah and i think bottom line in other conversations that you and
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