And he was referring to John Lear, who's a well-known conspiracy theorist, but also a pilot
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had with John Lear was one that was friendly, but he didn't buy into any of the stuff John
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And so he started bringing his friends up, like John Lear, I think Gene Huff, I think all these guys, started bringing them up to a place which is no longer accessible, but a place that overlooked S4 back then.
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