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Jake Barber and Matt Pines from the organization SkyWatcher.

And Matt Pines is a national security

And, you know, Matt could probably talk about a little bit.

Yeah, that would be that would be the ultimate goal matt do you have something different or less crazy to say

Gentlemen and Matt and Jake thank you so much for your time

Yeah, pretty much is Matt just outlined, but we want to move from a low level to a very

So Matt, you have the task, I guess, of strategically advising this group on how to, I guess,

We're talking at a time where officially Jake and Matt the Pentagon categorically denies

guys while Matt was speaking.

So Matt, you've come into this from the outside.

As Matt talked about, intention is huge for us.

Matt, you talk in the framework document about the importance of getting independent review, independent verification.

Yeah, I would say, Matt, you could, I'll do a quick answer and you can take over, but I would say,

It's it's Matt black like you described he calls it phantom black and he says it has eight

Matt black he describes it as like blacker than black and it's hovering above the treetops

I think with with with Matt and Shane secret podcast

And my buddy Matt Gates walked in and somebody said, is Gates mad at us?

I went down to that was at Eglin. I guess down in Florida, I think myself in Luna and Matt Gates. They're both from Florida. So I went down there and ate about three dozen raw oysters at some place.

Matt has brought to me too. The next morning we went to that meeting and we're told we're going to be briefed and see pictures and trying to visualize it all on my head because it's still so predictable and meet the pilots.

Anyway, Matt basically just says, hey, you all have a, it's not what we said we were coming down here for.

And which is not true. So technically we're supposed to have the clearance. And Matt said, I tell you what we're going to do. It's like, he said, we're going to come in here. We're going to start out. We're going to, we're going to have a hearing in DC.

And we're going to ask you some questions and probably, and I'm paraphrasing what Matt said, but he said, y'all are going to purge yourself on something you've said. And we're going to hold you accountable.

whoever had the Pentagon, you know, Matt, and the general brought us a nice fruit tray. I remember up there. And the room was bugged, by the way. That was funny thing. The room was, they had these mics connected and all this other stuff. And it was just, you know, I don't, it's typical BS.

And so, um, I was enjoying a delicious fruit tray at government expense. Matt was talking to the Pentagon. And an hour later, the general came in and there's one of his people. I can't remember which said, all right. We're bringing them in.

And so we go back down. And, um, they talked. They talked about, and Matt described it in his, in the, in the hearing about some things.

That, that what Matt said in the hearing, he said, these were craft that were none of our enemies or our adversaries or friends had.

You better file one with the FBI. So you have this recorded. And you in Matt, my lawyer are going to send emails to all these crazy agencies. You're done. My wife's like, I'm not seeing stop investigating. But you're for your request. You're my wife's like, you're done.

And I'm like, well, I'm like, well, oh my god. I've got a picture now. I have a sudden, a sudden moment of of of brilliance. Why did I go to the director of the two Victor documentaries, the one in 97 and the one where he came back. Maybe he'll tell me Victor's name is this is great. I can end this because the Victor they told me Matt. Everyone in Hollywood, everyone in the government find Victor. If you find he's an actor with central casting. It's a hoax.

I'm going to operate his website. Matt, I'm looking in your eyes. Please illuminate me. Am I nuts? 95% of the people involved that I interviewed that said they were part of this are in their 70s. They're early 80s.