Every single bit of testimony from separate people
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from all over the area, all fits perfectly.
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And I just really appreciate you coming here
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because we're talking about, I think,
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kind of the background of exactly what happened,
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You did a great job of that.
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Cigar- ...when I was like,
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office we're here to pick up the video and he was like oh i was going to drop it off but i guess i
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don't have to and he said the only question they asked is uh did they make did he make any copies and
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he said no i didn't and so they took the they took the footage and left and a couple days go by
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he doesn't hear from emma so he calls her up he goes hey what did you think of the footage
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she goes what do you mean what i think the footage i didn't get the footage he goes well
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you had two men from your office show up she goes i didn't send anybody around so that was like the
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first time that i really heard about these so-called men in black and that was in the 90s yeah no this is
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made fun of yeah exactly exactly but but but richard dolan you great ufo researchers write about this
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phenomenon happening time and time and time and time again you you have another example uh which you cover
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in uh the phenomenon or i think in the program actually
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two witnesses were out hiking they then saw a large diamond shaped craft hovering
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the witnesses looked at this for a while and one of them had a camera so when the jet came along
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they sort of stuck the camera out from behind the bush and snapped six frames
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three girls yes that saw one of the beings yes the news has just arrived at this very moment the
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girls have spotted some kind of creature up there close to the maracanon gymnasium just around the
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who is 14 years old and lilias who is 16 years old are also very frightened it's the first time they've come
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zero, zero, one percent chance, I'm going for it every time.
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Right. And so I was just going up and then I found this one old guy
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And it was like, okay, let's talk.
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That was Eric Lopez.
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The alien was alive in this bed right there.
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So he saw the creature right there.
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What was the cephala?
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To speak without speaking.
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Because we, even just to walk in with no patient, we had to put all the gear on.
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But not like, no, it didn't happen.
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I, I believe that, I mean, this is an extremely compelling, like new account, new cut of the, of the case, but I think it's going to get better.
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You're watching all this conjecture, all this media coverage, the debunking going on from the media.
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Like, excuse me, the witnesses, you know, adamantly saying, you know, this is what I saw, particularly those, the three girls, you know, and then knowing that you sat in the hospital room in the ICU with a live captured alien and had direct telepathic communication.
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He said, you look into the eyes of this creature.
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And despite the fact that it was in captivity, it had control of the whole room.
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Stayed in the sin, in the sinuses for days, if not weeks.
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Unbelievable how it was.
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You have a flight path of the UFO.
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And, uh, what we did was is we, you know, we started talking to him at the door. Then we went inside and we had, we had some, we had audio. One of us had audio rolling and the guy in the car outside had, you know, our sound guy had a, you know, it was remote transmitted back to a receiver. That was just, you know, the audio.
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And then we're talking, getting to know his wife, his son. And then I said, would you mind if we bring a camera in here just to kind of, you know, document the moment a little bit, just ease our way into it. No, that's okay. So then comes the camera. We're all sitting down and talking and his wife, I'll never forget this. And I think I have a cut of it somewhere, but his wife had these, like her eyes were so big and like, kind of just like, and her wife was looking at her husband, like, like just,
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wouldn't blink. And I'm looking over at my cameraman, Dave, and I'm like, are you getting, you know, she's just looking at him. Like, I'm thinking, does she, does she have the photograph? Like, does she, you know, I don't know. Is she worried that we're in there probing? And, and at one point we asked him, like, when things got more comfortable and he goes, I'm a, I participate, I'm a witness. He saw the creature under a tarp, maybe the bottom half or something. And then he went into, as a military base, the activity, helicopters coming and landing. He goes,
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more brass than I'd ever seen ever before. Like there were higher ups from all different corners of Brazil, all there. Maybe even
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Yeah. Well, we talked to two witnesses. One of the primary reasons that led us to him were two people that described, he pulled the photograph out and showed it. And it had, uh, one alive, one, one deceased creature. And it had, uh, military police and a, and fire department, uh, in the picture with their faces that, you know, that's according to the witnesses that we talked to. And when I pressed him on it, and I don't want to push too hard, but I definitely pressed him on it. I've got the footage.
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He said, um, I was like, well, when I talked to you a couple of years ago on a video zoom call, you can, you confess that you had the photograph or at one point you had the photograph. And now you're saying you don't have the photograph. Like what's, you know, and I really pressed him on it. Um, what did he say?
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He said, well, there's certain things within the police department that have to go on set or something like that.
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Come on, dude. Just let it out.
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You, you, you, uh, there's, uh, you know, and I feel the frustration from people out there like, oh, there's not a picture. There's not a video. First of all, I never give up and I'm not giving up. I will never give up. I'm getting closer. We are, as a team are getting closer and closer and closer. And the developments that are happening are unprecedented. It's an ongoing investigation. I'm not giving up. I think this is the case that's going to blow it all out in the open. That's my humble opinion, because I can't think of a better crash retrieval case involving the Americans.
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His unit was responsible for monitoring specific airspace over the state of Sao Paulo.
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Do you know anything about this case?
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Yeah. And I haven't, I haven't watched the whole interview since I operated the camera for that interview with, with Dr. Greer. And, um, but he left an indelible impression on me. Like I was like, shit.
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And I actually think I, I think I got this with Tim Coleman when I was doing Out of the Blue.
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I should watch Out of the Blue again.
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Oh, you a huge debt.
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Oh, people like Jeremy Corbell and Ross Colthart, a huge debt.
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He was a witness to the creatures.
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First I thought it was a child because it was small.
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Then I looked at this head and all.
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I'm just gonna elbow my way in there.
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whatever you recreate it.
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And, you know, I've seen beings in Peru that are skeletons with three fingers and the three
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And I, and I want you guys to understand, like, I don't put something out into the public.
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If I don't believe it's highly likely that it happened.
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Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead.
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But he says, uh, he says it was, you know, it was told to him, like there was somebody who was questioning him. What'd you see?
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And so the fact that it came out and then like, you know, six weeks later, we're dropping this one, I think the timing's gonna be perfect.
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Yeah. I think the stars are starting to align and I think that we can really get some traction in terms of like, and I think, you know, regardless of what you think about the current administration, I think if ever there was a time for full disclosure, I think it's more likely to happen with him than anybody else.
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It was literally, the whole thing was just a bureaucracy because you have, you have a guy who's had dementia. Yeah. Who? And so then you're like, who's actually running? Oh, is it Jake Sullivan? Maybe his chief of staff? And then like, what's he up to? We didn't elect him. Like, what's the deal? So the most dismissive.
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Nothing's gonna get done in that context.
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Palmar Observatory, which is the most prominent observatory. And this was between 1949 and 1957.
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These things aren't sun streaks. They're not, you know, asteroids, comets, meteors, obviously
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they're, they're not satellites because they're pre Sputnik in 1957. And they look like mirror,
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like light reflecting objects, which are what all the CIA documents describe UFOs as in the late
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forties and early fifties. And they're in geosynchronous orbit. And so you, you, yeah.
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And so you have to, and they, and they sort of pop up. Yeah. And so you wonder when you leave,
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you know, the, the, the Van Allen belt, you know, when you leave the protective magnetosphere of the
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earth, do you just encounter tons and tons of UFOs? And if you look at Bluegill triple prime,
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which was the first time we cut a hole in the magnetosphere of the earth with the,
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you know, uh, we, we were trying to see if we could puncture the Van Allen belt,
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guess what came out? UFO material. And Harold Malmgren, this presidential advisor.
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I'm so glad you got to him. Isn't that wild? And he said he was holding the pieces,
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But debris or images? Debris. Wow.
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And like, and he goes, that wouldn't surprise me, but he goes, I walked on the moon.
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And then Podesta basically entered a, you know, multi-decade long personal search for this
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of like, uh, you know, 80,000 miles up.
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We need to figure that out.
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that he saw an interview from one of the surviving beings from Roswell.
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It was more, you know, in touch with Shriver.
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Sorry, Department of Energy.
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So you have this blog came out trying to debunk Malmgren, but if he got a skill clearance through the CIA, they'd have no idea that, you know, you can't use a freedom of information against that.
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This was at the time where, you know, not official covers, this idea of being a knock for the CIA was like rampant, like a ton of these guys.
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This witness turns out to be there.
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It's like, oh, my gosh, it all lines up.
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Have you ever seen anything interesting in a skiff?
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You're quoting him on that.
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But I was in the skiff and, um, it was just like in the movies, you know, I went in, I
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Like just really a nice guy.
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And Joe came back and he tipped him like $2,000.
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And I'm friends with people that are both sides of the spectrum.
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I went to the house.
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I went to the house.
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And then of course I'm talking to other people that have subsequently, since then, particularly
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he's come out with it.
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