OSAP

had basically started this thing called OSAP and was saying we need to look into not just our history with UAP, but we need to look into what this is from a national security threat perspective.

I can't tell you really much about OSAP because I wasn't my focus. I can tell you about my involvement with A-Tip.

But the people who are involved with OSAP when you come into it and A-Tip on the inside of the government, it seems like that group is kind of the same.

So a lot of the core expertise that were in OSAP came over to A-Tip and stayed with us, right?

But there was also a lot that were like, OSAP, I think with big ol'o on the contract, I had like, I think the digital list was like 100 and some people.

So it, it totally, totally get it. And I think even, even some OSAP and A-Tip guys might even be kind of confused because some of them weren't there for every meeting, right?

Essentially, it's not like you're walking into places and there's a giant sign on the door. Welcome to the A-Tip meeting. Welcome to the OSAP meeting.

But essentially to keep it simple, maybe the focus of the exact types of events you're looking for or, or context of UAP technically like has a shift or whatever between OSAP and A-Tip.

to investigate UFOs as part of OSAP.

So Harry reads requests to get the material transferred to the OSAP program was totally killed because of bureaucracy and kind of fiefdom stuff.

So OSAP was actually set up to transfer a UFO held by Lockheed Martin to a special access program to get some outsider civilian scientist eyes on it.

That was probably the craft that was going to be transferred to OSAP.

It's very important to note that a lot of people in the general public implicitly accept OSAP as the most secret core UFO program there is.

OSAP with Harry Reid. Actually saw, saw UFO, I think in World War II as well. And then recently,