And so I don't know if you have a take there, but you have like Lou Elizondo, you know, long time, you know, OSAP, A-Tip, you know, modern day UFO whistleblower, who is for a while at least was more on kind of the threat narrative.
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Because it does feel like a lot of people who get into the UFO subject and study it from the government perspective, like OSAP with, you know, Skinwalker Ranch.
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