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So it turned out I came across some publications by a polygraph expert who taught polygraph to the CIA and FBI and so on.
And pretty soon the CIA come landing on my doorstep and said, oh, have we been looking for you?
But anyway, as far as the CIA was concerned, they were most interested in this ability to see through shielding.
I just found this a challenge and it was only that CIA was paying us to look into this that I kept going the next step, resisting every inch along the way.
I had no reason to necessarily believe that, but it turned out that right at that moment we were being challenged by the CIA to prove this wasn't just some kind of a hoax between the experimenters and the subjects.
And so, again, our CIA contract monitors were worried that there's some kind of trickery and so that.
And so eventually 20 years later you can find the paper that was published by the CIA about what a deal this was.
When you're explaining this to the CIA and you're showing them results and you've got these hard-nosed individuals who are pretty rational trying to figure out what you're saying.
who was director of CIA under Reagan, and we had 45 minutes with him.
So, of course, CIA wanted to know, well, we'd like to find people in CIA who could do this.
So Stansfield Turner, who was Carter's CIA director, knew about our remote viewing program.
So one day, a guy shows up from CIA and says,
So he went back to CIA and said, Okay, this stuff really works.
Joe McMoneagle got a National Merit Award for over 200 great viewings he did for CIA, National Security Council, FBI.
Of course, they didn't know it was a highly classified CIA program.
So I went to the CIA contract monitor and said, you know, you've got to let us publish something
So, I showed up there and I saw people, some of whom I knew, including my ex-contract monitor from CIA, people from DIA, a lot of military people and so on.
And, you know, oh, my God, I've got to report this to my CIA contract monitor.
And so my CIA contract monitor says, well, I know the station keeper, CIA station keeper out in Australia.
And I'm thinking to myself, oh, my God, you know, I have to report that to the CIA contract matter, which I did.
And so long story short, he got Jim Simivan, now retired high-level person at CIA, got me.
That's been released on the CIA site about remote viewing results.
As it turns out, I never actually got to do that experiment because the CIA came and scooped me up and said, well, we got to look at this remote viewing.
That brought the CIA on my doorstep.