CIA

Yes, it's a whole, counterintelligence, cyclological warfare operations at a CIA and other agencies.

at the CIA with a team of people. I know quite a few of them.

The Abduction Syndrome, totally a staged CIA and other corporate event.

Can you explain kind of your background, your, your see our former CIA officer and then you joined up with two the stars. So can you give people a little background about yourself at least let's start with your work with CIA.

Yeah, I was a I joined CIA in 1982. I was I went in and I worked for the director of science and technology for a couple years to three years.

I rose through the ranks became a senior manager at CIA and then retired in 2007 took a little time off and then went back and work with them part time for the next 12 years.

Again this goes back to legacy programs the Air Force CIA I'm sure had what they did it and I'm sure it's still going on today.

Yeah Air Force comes up a lot when when we're when we're here about these legacy programs and I guess the CIA as well.

They did and and and that program was never going to be public and then when CIA got into the picture in 47 and 48.

See a Gerald Haines wrote a I thought a pretty good article on this and unclassified version of CIA's involvement in all this but I think he was right on the money with it but what I think when goes on set is there is no way that the US government.

Like like whether it's the Air Force CIA NSA and our row is going to ignore unidentified aerial phenomenon ever that always have to look at this because it is an unknown threat and you have to look at it as a threat simply because you don't know what it is if you knew what it was it you see the threat or it isn't a threat you would know so even though they were saying it doesn't seem the pose a threat to the United States we still have to do that.

I think that was the beginning of the legacy programs and I think also they knew at the time they wanted to divorce themselves CIA and Air Force at that time they wanted to divorce themselves from any publicity surrounding this they didn't want the public to know that they were involved in this.

Because all that did was create more you know more chatter right about CIA and Air Force being involved in the CIA they just wanted to get off the topic but they still I think well continue to investigate it on the wrong I think that's when the black program started I think to continue I think to continue this day.

Anyway that's so and when we're talking about these legacy programs I mean again educated guess how many how many programs do you think we're talking all together between Air Force and CIA well it's let's let's expand this I mean I don't think it's just Air Force and CIA I think NASA has this.

I think norad probably has a row and I think the problem with this is you know CIA is an interesting organization CIA is the central intelligence organization so they're basically in charge their charter says they have to go out and they have to interact with other government agencies to get all source information to put a picture together.

you know, the head of DOD, you're going to have to brief, you know, the CIA, the head of CIA is going to be brief,

CIA went to them and said, create the spy plane that we need it now.

you, when you look at, when you look at, like say, for instance, what CIA was doing, and I'm not

talking out of school here a bit, but the CIA was doing, when they were doing MK Ultra, you know,

government and you're in the Air Force CIA NASA, wherever it is and you're looking at this stuff,

guys like Snowden and this other, this other clown, Shulti from CIA, you came out and dropped all

Well, I don't know. I mean, I couldn't comment at that. I mean, I'll tell you, CIA's do this

is John Ramirez likes to point out, you know, was a CIA program. And we had our own

Earth was a CIA program. Every time a government agency develops a program and it becomes slightly

know, do you know anything about CIA activities regarding UAP? And I said, you know,

he attracted the attention of a lot of people, DIA, NASA, CIA,

And but the next day later or two days later, I was at work and I was in a CIA outbuilding

at the bottom, you know, so it's a real thing. And I was actually at, you know, at CIA when they

though, you know, as a CIA officer, you know, when I would do an operation and the operation involved

Um, the people that are involved are initially it was, uh, former CIA, BIA, JSOC, um, uh, and, and, I think some FBI