that that documentary on jonathan wagan i like i'd heard of him but i had never heard any of
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peru that happened yeah 1997 operation laser strike operation laser strike never heard of it
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traffic in peru colombia bolivia all sorts of south american countries and the mac g the marine
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air control group 28 was sent down alongside some elements of the air force and a pretty large joint
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program including the cia to set up tps 43 and other radar systems to track some of these narco planes
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kind of central peru aikitos peru which is northern peru because he wasn't privy to where he was taken
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because he just gave a lot of details about the flight time down to peru details about time spent
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downed aircraft by the time they reach the lz after a combination of driving and trekking
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but wedged in there there's fluid leaking out of the craft there's what looks to be three hatches one
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of them open with possibly a non-human arm hanging out of the craft and this liquid is like clear but
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purple and green the best i can describe that is the mother of pearl effect similar to oil on water
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uh wagant eventually kind of came to hearing montalier sorry hearing sergeants allen and
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and jesse talked about jake barber and some of the psionics and stuff right he felt like there was
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on stephen greer's uh disclosure project archive wow so he was part of the 2000 disclosure briefing
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facing a lot of reprisals and he thought he was going to die wow so there's some stuff he doesn't
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almost daily but i you talked to him daily yeah he's one of my good friends i love jonathan
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a couple of u.s army ch-47 helicopters fly over them as these helicopters are getting to land at a
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by a team of men in black camouflage and stop me if this sounds familiar when you hear cases like
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michael herrera a team of men in black camouflage that apprehend the marines strip them of their gear
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wagant being feisty being like 23 years old tries to swing at one of them
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clocks him in the head and these guys at that point make an example out of wagant push his face
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in the ground he gets more of the liquid on him beat the crap out of him and then out of the
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helicopters come a team of people ranging from rain jackets to large hazmat gear mop gear mission
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oriented protection posture marked and stamped with doe department of energy no shit and so a couple of
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these doe guys in protective gear see wagant they strip him of his clothes wagant is handcuffed to a
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stretcher his feet are gagged and he is put on a ch-47 out of there doesn't know what happened to
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the department of energy has its own team it's called the nuclear emergency support team and this is
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the world to react to nuclear or radiological signatures and one of the governing bodies of
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uh uap disclosure disclosure amendment i know i'm familiar with it but i don't i don't know a lot of
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of this amendment was to bring forth disclosure of ufo legacy programs programs hidden within the u.s
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department of defense and intelligence communities that are housing exploiting or reverse engineering
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technologies of unknown origin tuos and one of the governing bodies listed in this legislation
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that hides some of these materials is the 1954 atomic energy act that considers ufo materials as
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of spooky shit going on in south america in the 90s like there's a lot of there was a lot of uh ufo crash
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incidents yeah and there was uh a lot of i think that jacques filet book was earlier than the 90s
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um where like basically all these people were slaughtered have you heard of this
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but um but yeah no south america and mexico that that period of time was like very active with
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this kind of stuff well because same year we have uh virginia brazil yeah james fox's big case right
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in 1978 in bolivia there was a case of a uh almost like a tic-tac like a cylindrical shaped object
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crashing into the mountains of bolivia a u.s air force team called moon dust project moon dust was
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dispatched to kind of investigate that region and i'm trying to think what else in mexico kind of
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like what you're talking about in 1974 in mexico there's a pretty famous kind of underrepresented
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crash retrieval case called coyame mexico northern mexico of a crash saucer that a mexican retrieval
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team went to go get but there was some sort of toxic or biological hazard in the craft that killed the
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entire mexican recovery team and then of course the americans and their ch-53 chinooks swooped in and took
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the craft however there's of course an argument you can make that probably maybe our guys the
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americans took them out but there's a south america and central america ton of crash retrieval stories
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right and a lot of marine crash retrieval stories you have jonathan wagant you have like the testimony
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of michael herrera and there are some other whistleblowers who aren't public who have talked
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really interesting and then uh kind of rounding out the wagant story he was then on the on the 47
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taken to an unknown base into an underground section of a base where he was held for two days
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and why was he the only one that was taken out of there that's a great question my guess is because
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there's a lot of anthrax boosters right after crash retrieval encounters but i i think that's why he's
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isn't talking to them since no he doesn't like him they don't like him oh wow part of what's a little
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weird about this case is one of those two adkins or allen i reached out to both one of them got back
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my uap gerb email it doesn't have my information right none of that so i email one of them and they
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respond hello my full name which is of course like a bully intimidation tactic and the guy just tried
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shut them up shut people trying to shut him up yeah and that's part of the reason he um went to
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talked to him but so he was pretty spooked sort of like the the men in black right if you would
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these nest teams so these nest teams are part of the department of energy and it's basically like they
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they comp they they bring in all of the like top tier special operators not quite and i'm sorry i should
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have specified that more it's more of a science and technology team okay they just deal with the
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stuff but the interesting thing about nest is of course it is a doe department but it operates out
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of contractors contractors including raytheon uh lawrence livermore national labs sandia national labs
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and egn g egn g of course is the infamous company bob lazar said hired him to work at area 51 s4 to
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that would mean it's harder than granite right if it went through the granite what kind of material
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is harder than granite i don't some sort of meta meta material maybe like a shield around it maybe
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that translucent mother of pearl effect was some sort of shield like material and why did it crash i
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there's a lot of really interesting ties that there were some backdoor programs for some space-based
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shoot down weapons of ufos but what wagan thinks here is this was a hawk mim 23 airburst system that
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just exploded near the target and some of the fragging just took it out oh like a shotgun blast yeah but
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that's what he thinks right he doesn't have any sort of uh confirming evidence for that it's just
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about like a three four-fingered arm hanging out the crowd yeah greer edited that out of of his of
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uh kind of love and light communication and these beings were very friendly to jonathan asking for
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but you know maybe he didn't want to maybe he thought like the descriptions of fingers and like some weird
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alien arm hanging out would make it more unbelievable and he wanted to kind of like leave the stuff in there
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that was more plausible yeah but with the stories of crash retrieval there's always the baggage of
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biologics right some there's oh and so many cases with crash retrievals there's stories of biologics
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and i think that for a lot of people is a big um big stretch to kind of wrap their head around because
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existence maybe future humans like dr mike masters likes to kind of hypothesize on this crashing here
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morphologies and so forth yeah i'm sure you've heard uh i'm sure you've heard the story of annie
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jacobson's description of area 51 oh yeah she talked to from from eg and g what do you make of that
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what the name is but this was a source of george knapp's 10 20 years before that the guy who worked
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at eg and g at area 51 head of special projects okay this guy told george nap george told george
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i remember seeing this he said that that director of special programs at eg and g told george nap
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was his 2017 documentary unacknowledged that was the first time i ever heard of roswell specifically
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jacobson that this was a russian experiment regardless of outside annie jacobson and george knapp
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there's plenty about area 51 specifically and of course egng that's well worth investigation
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and as well as that kind of dives into the subject of of contractors with ufo technology ufo materials
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ufo bodies it's a it's a pretty deep rabbit hole that there's a lot to outside of just albert o'donald
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annie seems pretty respectful i know she disagrees a lot with some of the more ufo stuff but doesn't
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badge of somebody who worked at site four oh i don't know about that i don't know about that and of
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it's like the auxiliary site below groom lake it's just south of room lake area 51 and then you have
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of the stuff that were they were doing at area 51 right after world war ii and you know she explains
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how the money was stolen i think it was dullest stole a bunch of money from the reconstruction in
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europe fund to build area 51 and they were doing all kinds of crazy cia test flights and building you
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kind of stuff probably and i also think that there's probably underground facilities beneath
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of the 412th test wing the edwards 412th test wing is what's called a major range test facility
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not blocked me snapchat this is a grown man and his his his official records do of course say he was at
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worked on revert serving as the test director on reverse engineered vehicles kind of operating as the
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existed between area 51 s4 and edwards is likely still going on today but of course that's a that's a
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pretty that's a topic that requires a lot of kind of i guess credibility in ufo crash retrievals to
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think about arv alien reproduction vehicles and kind of reverse engineering vehicles where what do you
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think about that i know you've talked to jesse a little bit kind of on your stance about ufo where do
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the tic tac type stuff tic tac uh triangles saucers i don't know i think i i think it's a mix of
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some black aerospace or like lockheed or something like that some sort of like black technology that
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nobody knows about maybe that's part of the 21 trillion dollars it's missing that catherine was
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uh accounts of these underwater ufos coming out of the ocean in like 1717 which is crazy and and and
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since talking to him it's you know it's apparent that there's just a mixed bag of here like is it
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something that's been here for for millions of years that lives under the water um is it it's
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something to do with it the towns and brown stuff you know there's there's so many pieces of this puzzle
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it's crazy well i know you and uh dolan were talking about the subject of uso and i know you guys
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interesting crash retrieval stories so how come i've never heard of the underwater is it classified
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that's crap that calls it the hidden younger brother of the nro so in u.s intelligence you
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so i sent them a little bit of stuff on neuro and they went oh so there's a couple there's a couple
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more about neuro as well as former admiral director of naval intelligence cia deputy director
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which is interesting he said when he became director of naval intelligence he wore another hat that was
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so neuro was started in 1969 and it was started to kind of coordinate the navies and the cia's
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cia's activities right and so part of the the founding programs for neuro were to kind of coordinate
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operations keep track of and uh commence missions with some of our sensitive nuclear submarines
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kind of tap undersea cables i think this was called the ivy bells program and as well as just
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cia's directorate of science and technology now that directorate of science and technology we can talk
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but really early on the cia just kind of took command of neuro and it wasn't until 1972 three years after its
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creation that john warner secretary of the navy was finally put as neuro's director but then it
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changed hands back a little bit because in 74 bobby ray inman became director of neuro and of course he
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went on to be a cia spook so neuro's kind of claim to fame is using vessels like the uss halibut
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have you heard of the glomar explorer yeah yeah so so k129 soviet sub crashes near hawaii a little bit northwest
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right and conventional wisdom only a third of the k129 is retrieved uh maybe more probably more and it
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really really interesting kind of connections with neuro come with uh chief scientist of special
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deep submergent systems project the dssp and i'm sorry there's a ton of acronyms i'll try to spell
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craven receives a classified briefing of something called project sand dollar sand dollar is oh yeah
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the earliest probably sap within sap within sap we can kind of make sense of it was a program that was
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inventory of a collection of objects on the sea floor for national security importance uh ranging from
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be vehicles that kind of can satisfy the dssp so the dsrv the deep submergence rescue vehicle is supposed to be
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basically a submarine rescue vehicle uh this was out of response to the loss of the uss thresher
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but only two dsrvs were ever built the mystic and avalon out of lockheed martin so there were only two
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of those ever built however that brings me to a um a really interesting crash retrieval story
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so in you know our the art bell show right yes so in 2002 i think it was about summer of 2002
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on a dsrv crew and so this guy tells the story of in 1991 or 1992 as i'm getting the dates a little
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bit wrong there was a survey ship in the north atlantic about 250 miles outside of aberdeen
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rockwell rock all trough in the north atlantic just northwest of aberdeen scotland because i looked at
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so where specifically would it be the rock all trough the rock all trough yes rock all pull up a map of
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vehicle one of the two because craven said that john p craven remember chief scientist of special
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projects out of the navy that although there were never official missions for dsrv or dssv because
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dssv have operational depths of 20 000 feet but were apparently never built but used according to
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see a large triangle wedged in the seafloor the triangle has no cockpit no visible means of propulsion
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no visible means of propulsion nothing they can see so the team goes back up informs the the steamship
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the marine archaeologist estimates that that triangle had been buried within the the the kind of the
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about the weight of an f-14 right and an f-14 is interesting because the nr1 had previously recovered
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kind of brought up to the ocean surface the craft is eventually rigged up mark once the dsrv crew is
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back on board gets to see the craft again this time in person about 70 feet long a little bit rounded of
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about this not sold to sign any ndas or anything which is kind of interesting but apparently the
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and i'm trying to track this down because mark uh drew sketches of this for art bell and he also
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provided art bell the names of the other navy guys he was with so i want to track these guys down and
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something to to get after yeah i wonder how many more stories there are like that of retrieving stuff
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under the oceans you know because you don't really hear about that kind of stuff no there's 1967 shag harbor
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of course which occurred in canada but here's a real treat in 1972 there was an encounter of a
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he went by the pseudonym rk related his story to leonard stringfield leonard stringfield is one of
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the greatest ufo crash retrieval investigators of all time wrote status reports one through seven on ufo crash
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retrievals rk claimed that in 72 at the great lakes naval station in chicago he was tasked to kind of
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large metallic teardrop shaped craft no visible means of propulsion looks like a teardrop looks like a
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naval destroyer and recovered by the glomar explorer north of hawaii in 1972 wow i think we've explored
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more the moon than we have of our own ocean floors it's crazy and if you look at we were talking about
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can see there's a there's a no land yeah it covers a more huge it's like a massive amount of this earth
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is ocean so what's interesting about the the creation of neuro the deep submergent systems project and all
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this in 1964 it seems like sand dollar had existed previously with an itemized inventory of everything
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that existed on the sea floor of national security interest but until craven created the the dss
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items so it seemed like the us navy had a large itemized inventory of all of these objects on the
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point of like underwater bases right yeah there's a uh there's a great author his name's richard
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worldwide which is really interesting and of course there's it's it's very likely that there are like
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undersea neuro bases for submarine refueling and such but oh that i mean the concept of undersea
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least for it seems like optimal though right yeah for cooling especially if you have some sort of
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high temperature reactor i mean right in the 1960s the u.s army corps of engineer published a bunch
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of deep basing studies on where to place deep underground military bases throughout the continental united
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states but also published a ton of papers such as like uh self-contained nuclear reactors to power
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stiffs subterranean facilities and so forth wow yeah that's one of the things that katherine was saying
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that a lot of the missing money she thinks has been going to funding these constructions of these
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underground bases yeah that's i think one of the most interesting topics in this subject because you
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and he said that the train went so fast it reminded him of his fear of flying
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oh my god because a lot of people will look at the kind of underground bases systems and connective
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research and development center ffrdc one of the employees high up scientists of the rand corporation
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tunnel system and of course if these tunnel systems exist i i think it's highly likely we
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got some of that technology and ideas from the nazis yeah um you know before before the end of world
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pneumatic train system to exist under germany and to connect berlin to france or paris and a network of
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not a concept that's really interesting so xavier dorsch was head of the tot organization in nazi
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of government sites such as the regan worm logger in poland and ordroff which are these really really
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system connecting it it was self-contained and so xavier dorsch was one of these swizz kid engineers
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for the tot organization which is similar to the u.s army corps of engineers in 1947 with operation
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paperclip where the u.s brought over a bunch of nazi scientists there was one report from air material
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facilities or stiffs immediately began began construction because we plucked some of the nazis
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that would explain where a lot of that money is going that katherine fitz was talking about those
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trillions of dollars not cheap right no it's definitely not cheap and you know the other
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question is who who's in charge of it yeah who has control over all of it you know analyzing the
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structure of the supposed ufo legacy programs is so difficult to track right you know if there are
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programs which of course i i believe very strongly there are that there are dod contractor ffrdc uarc
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engineering of non-human technologies how are these programs structured uh what sort of communication is
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done across the programs how are the intelligence communities involved and at the top of this who is
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project not like a cia project all of this is inherently born within saps and usaps unacknowledged
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chiefs of staff people can't even get access to some of this stuff and that's it and the way he was
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describing it to me is like imagine if lockheed or one of these companies like this got so much
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where they're kind of like a like a breakaway military superpower that like doesn't have to
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answer to anybody if like katherine austin fitz says if there is a some sort of segment existing
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believe they do of course they have a tremendous amount of advantages over any traditional human
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it wrong but he said something to the effect of like when hits the fan at least we have the spaceships
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some of these joint chiefs not being accessed he's talking about thomas wilson from the wilson davis memo
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who was deputy director of the dia at the time i believe um and he tried to gain access to some
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of these programs and was stonewalled by the special access program oversight committee senior review group
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like let's say that some of his uh starlink satellites are interfering with the nro's ai sentient program
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monitored tic tacs over redacted locations then elon might be tangentially briefed on some aspects of
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you would imagine that he's got some sort of peripheral knowledge of something even if he does
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joe and jesse both said no i i think elon's bsing a little bit about that because it's the world of
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lot of egng in nevada and this harkens back to 1997 where uh stephen greer uh brigadier general
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stephen lovekin commander will miller of the u.s navy and astronaut edgar mitchell engaged in briefings
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happened even though he disputes the memo that they briefed wilson into the reality of ufo special
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some of these programs but what's really interesting about that is one of the contractors that i i think
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are up to their eyeballs in ufo legacy program operations is north of grumman creator of the b2
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creator of the b21 spirit bomber they in 2003 absorbed a company called trw trw are the great richard
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bdm is of course a company that u.s army general of inscom albert stubblebine who's really interesting
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i've talked to and in conversations i've had the the army participates in a lot of research development
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tests and evaluation of non-human technology but does it in a very streamlined fashion with contracts
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see that crash that craft in peru wasn't there reports of something flying in and out of the atmosphere
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one of the high profile programs that track ufos and there's old old stories i think this is in the 80s of
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dsp satellites monitoring ufos that pass within a mile and a half at 22 000 miles per hour of the
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there some part of laser strike that knew there was ufo activity in tracking this stuff i mean 22 000
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all wagant knows is that he was he and the other grunts were just kind of set off set out to uncover
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wasn't a secret thing the i think the biggest question of that whole operation is who were
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a couple years from jonathan's encounter in 1997 the cia director of science and technology deputy
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director carl wolf began what's called the cia's office of global access the office of global access
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times who's incredibly brilliant of running foreign crash retrieval programs and working with jsoc joint
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special operations command so one must ask was this an element of jsoc retrieval teams of course
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before he went public jake barber under a pseudonym wrote the sentinels of ether little manuscript where he
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talked about kind of blue on blue retrieval team action and a jsoc unit firing upon u.s forces that
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operators it's it's it's a really interesting question because there's tons of testimony of
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video of local seven u.s army seven special forces green berets just plugged in said hey you got to go
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then he was basically like oh my god i was a part of this yeah and that's when he allegedly decided to
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jake barber was tasked to infiltrate greer's camp um and kind of try and maybe set up whistleblowers i
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at nellis air force base and uh kind of witnessing the touchdown of a sunflower extraterrestrial craft
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some of the whistleblowers no excuse right i the operational security is so bad i should not be able to do that
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somebody else unless agency folks have done that and kind of tracked down whistleblowers and threaten
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them with their pension because some some of these high-level whistleblowers have uh spoken to greer in
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project that's the crazy thing about him i mean a lot of people everybody hates greer for the most part
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forward the most amount of whistleblowers that have divulged the most amount of information so like
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relationship he called me an intelligence asset so i'm not i'm not too and he's also hurt many of my
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friends so i'm not too high up on greer i i think that he kind of has his own vested interest in a lot
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of uh the testimonies he receives i think he treats whistleblowers that come to him like his
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whistleblowers yeah instead of their own autonomous people that should be directed to you know people
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about that uh i don't i i don't i would rather err on the side of like pushing for disclosure instead
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of like trying to get into like interpersonal problems and so forth especially a character like
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lou who is surrounded by a lot of controversy yeah i i do think and all i'll say is i i think more
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counterintelligence field activity oh yeah yeah uh i on a pedestal of of like high level whistleblowers i
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for the disclosure project i don't know if he still does a lot of people used to work for the
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disclosure project leslie kane uh you know the article of the 2017 new york times article she used
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with greer and i think back in the day greer had a little bit of a different mindset uh i think maybe
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some of the problems with him arose more in the future but that that that drama between the two is
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whole thing and i think it's probably intentional and then the combination of the combination of like
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careers on this stuff um you know i'm not innocent of it i do podcasts i make money on podcasts about ufos so
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sean kirkpatrick the head of arrow who is fraught with a lot of uh really weird past so you're familiar
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with dr sean kirkpatrick of arrow right well sean kirkpatrick has a very checkered past before arrow and
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pretty interesting future after arrow so sean kirkpatrick gets a hold of arrow in like 2022
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and uh moultrie famously in in 2022 kind of debunked the subject of ufos and so forth kirkpatrick used to
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all that uh really whiny and then he goes on to work at oak ridge which is a department of energy uh ffrdc
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university systems that are semi-private but mostly kind of dod and government owned that's why uh you
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know one of my big theories is that a lot of these programs operate with the subject matter experts and
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government oh interesting we can talk a little bit more about that because there's a lot of
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and a lot of that good stuff but uh additionally since 2025 sean kirkpatrick he had formed his own
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llc called non-linear solutions and as of 2025 non-linear solutions is contracting for the miter
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special forces first of all michael never said extraterrestrial vehicle he always thought this
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all questions that must be asked is arrow honeypot why is tim phillips the deputy director of arrow
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at the end of 2024 dr john kozlowski now arrow director said arrow is now working with ffrdc's
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the more of this stuff i hear it's just like it seems like it seems like all this stuff just is
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barber stuff sounds exactly like stranger things yeah yeah well speaking of of star wars have you
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heard of the mark mccandless story no and brad sorenson okay this is in my opinion one of the
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greatest alien reproduction vehicle stories of all time and we can also i'm sure you've heard the term
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where a lot of the clandestine aircraft r d of our nation takes place also a region which i think is
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a huge network of underground subterranean facilities but you know we'll talk about that later but
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so aerospace illustrator mark mccandless who had done a lot of work for popular mechanics uh various
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because i'm directly referencing that interview because that's that's some of the things people
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well brad sorenson talked about it in this interview and some of the details around that are really
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interesting so brad sorenson went to the norton air show tons of interesting aircraft pretty cool
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but at some point during the show the under sect of or whoever he was with took him to a classified
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two enter the hangar and remember this is all according to brad sorenson and in there there's a lot of
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what yeah that's some of the military brass were were kind of boasting that they could destroy every
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undersea uav yeah bro look at that look at that thing it looks like a bird of course the lockheed
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explanation for so many of this you have so much of this i think so yeah i had this guy uh david
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he was he came in here with like a whole uh presentation of classified military aircraft
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and reconnaissance balloons and all kinds of things that explain he basically explained away most of like
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the most famous ufo sightings ever really including the phoenix lights he showed uh us like images of
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something like this and it was the exact shape of the phoenix lights flying the same exact size
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just giant black like tube balloons whoa yeah i you know i agree with you that a lot of what's seen is
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a pretty mundane prosaic explanation or a classified military tech that a lot of it
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technology as that lockheed cormorant and then he's brought to the the final section of the exhibit
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videotape of i think it's the smallest flux liner um kind of bouncing jaggedly over like a desert surface
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camera arrays that to kind of create a 3d picture of where the craft going those seats are f4 phantom
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tried to reverse engineer the propulsion systems of these craft as as well as possible and these
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air force captain harvey williams about 20 12 000 to 20 000 feet over provo utah captured an image of a
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flying saucer that looks exactly like one of these but it looks like an evolution of the flux liner
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would would decrease and you can kind of re rethink the acrylic bubbles but um this is the this is the
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story of the flux liner and mark mccandlish would draw what brad told him because brad didn't want
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mccandlish would would you know create a line art drawing of this and he he would take it all around
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struck with a very rare and aggressive form of cancer and dies within three months and mark mccandlish
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ordered an autopsy report on him so did the editor of the documentary that i've talked to
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throw themselves out of a window and so james allen right before that documentary is released goes
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that he slept with a pillow under his his pillow because he was also afraid of what was going to
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and he you know there's some rumors according to some close sources of uh mark mccandlish that he
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interesting because this was relayed by mark mccandlish for the better part of 30 years right
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once i find that and put up a video of the flux liner i get a call from a ufo researcher very well-known
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story was always second hand with mark mccandlish and not brad sorenson and what's weirder is i one of
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internal for who exactly why because i messaged brad sorenson i emailed right and the amount of
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brad there's more than meets the eye to brad here and so brad kind of gave me a little bit of the
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and that's just one instance of a alien reproduction vehicle there's another really interesting thing
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the three four lights on the bottom the big red light and then three lights on the kind of the
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exterior of the triangle i think i know what you're talking about well so see if you can find a picture
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of it steve just to make sure there's a a forensic artist named bill mcdonald he worked with uh yeah
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robert wood of mcdonald douglas who are some some great investigators into the majestic 12 documents and so we
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created all sorts of art and all sorts of ufo art worked with various films to create craft and so
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forth in 1992 in antelope valley california kind of the aerospace hub of of the united states he met
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illustrate the reverse engineered craft they had been working on that they are so tired of the secrecy
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around so uh bill mcdonald of course drew that craft it's really interesting steve can you look up
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yeah first first one right there but what's interesting here is are you a fan of the x-files
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yes okay so season one episode one of the x-files not the pilot but it's the episode called deep
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the first season of the x-files was based went up to bill mcdonald and contracted him to use to use
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i'd like to press more into that because that's another possible example of a alien reproduction
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just a ton ton of there's so much overlap in movie and television in real life bro it's crazy
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it's like in a in close encounters of the third time third kind there's large crates and boxes of
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like et to some high up military officials who kind of commented how et and like the subject of
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seems to be pretty tapped in he's working on another kind of ufo film uh lately yeah i heard
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about it um yeah bro so the jake barber stuff like the psionic stuff um what do you make of all that
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it's it's so it's so interesting but i was kind of of the mind that before you introduce subjects like
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psionics which requires a lot of of understanding and faith into like remote viewing um psi research
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which you know the stargate program and saic did a heck of a lot into but i think before that was
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introduced there needs to be a more firm understanding of crash retrieval and reverse engineering okay
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and we retrieve them but the the subject of i would still be pretty keen to see a demonstration of
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first of all they're from like this remote part of the world they're not really connected from tech to
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somebody farts and you didn't have the sense of smell or a nose you'd just be sitting in their
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don't have the senses to detect right you know right and you know the subject of psionics is nothing new
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uh you can look back to the claims of of lieutenant colonel philip j corso who of course he's infamous for
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the book the day after roswell which has a bunch of added nonsense from right co-writer bill burns if
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but he even talks about some of the technologies leveraged and utilized from the roswell crash
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really interesting it's it's perplexing that he says that because of course psionics did he expand
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and if you look at the old uh old files of leonard stringfield he talks multiple times about headband
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that a lot of the time with like uh you really got to slow down and demonstrate the capabilities of
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this of this first because i know with sky watchers there's still gray area about what they're summoning
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right like each youtube video creates a lot of discourse of of you know the the pinpricks of
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firm demonstration needs to be made and then you can kind of bring in some of the baggage with that
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because psionics is a really interesting and topic with a lot of baggage because i know i think it was
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specific diet yeah and like given certain medications something like this yeah one of the
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of eggheads and uh lab coats brought in a briefcase and opened it up and it was a like a metallic swirling
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sphere in there almost like a palantir and told to just kind of look into it and react to it uh
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the description of that sphere is almost identical to a witness that jesse and i both covered uh randy
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he was one of two guys in the green beret unit with um you know high clearance levels for a
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technologies division and a piece of technology that was by all intents and purposes a identical
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end of the day for disclosure and how these things are brought about what does the navy do what does
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the air force do what does the army do in terms of ufo crash retrieval reverse engineering how
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that's a big that's a really interesting question as well that i think there's a lot of funding
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of authority funds just completely wiped off the books you know i've also been privy to conversations
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with individuals who have seen cash transactions huge pallets of cash trans transacted for ufo legacy
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programs and then of course you have uh katherine austin fitz who talks about really creative funding uh from the
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kind of contract work if you don't mind oh yeah so saic first of all has been in some hot water for
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that completely didn't work but the nsa kind of was fraud was fraudulently charged by saic for all of
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this money saic has enormous contracts many of which don't make any sense like a recent 280 million
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dollar contract with sandia national labs which is a department of energy ffrdc for it consolidation work
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hmm how does it work you know take 280 million dollars of course with saic we've talked about
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kirkpatrick saic has insane ties to the wilson davis memo saic has ties to director of neuro bobby ray
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to do on the job and eventually a bunch of letters come in while she's working at saic that are
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some in hundreds of million dollars some millions of dollars some tens of millions of dollars and
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she's working in the building where saic does all sorts of classified chemical and biological
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and dugway proving ground and so she goes to her superiors because she wants to kind of impress
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out she gets reprimanded by her superiors all the files are taken away she's harassed by one of the
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in the early days of the internet she finds sophia's picture same first name different last name on a
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saic remember this took place in 1992 apparently died in 1998 all sorts of weird things going on
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saic took over yeah yeah yeah saic huge huge into uh like telepathy telekinesis they have lots of
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seriously because as recently as 2013 the office of naval research published a study like a revolutionary
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study on human sixth sense using like precognition in humans almost to to kind of get a jump on things so
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really really weird discussion of contracts and and like human remote viewing at saic
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reading that article all about the creation of google yeah how that basically google was incubated by like
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understand that history of of how it was how google was created and who they were working with and look
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influence the narrative of the public and censor certain speech and and boost other speech and using you
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virtually every aspect of your life and you know you rely and and most people a lot of people rely
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committee on intelligence that said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and thus the united
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states needed to invade iraq and when no weapons of mass destruction were found they chaired the same
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intelligence agencies and saic of any involvement so they can really influence public perception in a
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massive way even like dod high level perception and and kind of government perception yeah man it's
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crazy but like going back to what we were we were just got we were discussing like um you know some of
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nuclear war she talks a lot about the department of energy which from what i understand is
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is you might know more about this than i do but the doe the department of energy essentially is like
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of like what types of light bulbs we're allowed to use or sell the i mean the doe is truly an enormous
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livermore national labs sandia national labs oak ridge etc where you know i i have some degree of
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of confidence that there are reverse engineering and retrieval operations you know being conducted at
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craft being housed any testimony you can always do a couple extra steps of research and find out some
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undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security who error reported to but so i i think
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kind of doing some some secret projects on that wasn't really declassified into the early 60s when
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there's also a i know of an individual that i did a video on this this took place at dugway proving
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in the aviary area of doug way which is you know an air force pretty pretty extensive contractor
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test center which specializes in chemical and biological work if you look at the history of
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runs multiple ffrdc's like the out near fort dietrich maryland and that kind of region which has really
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high profile biological and chemical work that there's some rumors that that's where some of the bodies
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of uh extraterrestrials or non-human intelligence are stored battelle also really smartly battelle
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kind of set the playbook by forming something called triad national security it was battelle a
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almost almost like a chemical and biological subject matter expert there's there's one of those nickel
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it crossed it's edward something but it's a name it's a name that worked on one of the you know
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flying saucers essentially yeah i remember jeremy wriss he he went to one of the big hearings i think
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what's i've never heard of that and he was like he's like okay it's spelled this go to this website
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it'd be northrop grumman it would be latos which saic kind of spun off from in 2013 because saic got too
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yeah l3 harris and yeah probably some of the biggest then ffrdc is i'd say the mitre corporation
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i i have quite a a bit of knowledge on the mitre corporation the rand corporation uh the aerospace
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out of usaff project rand which was kind of involved with underground constructions but the aerospace
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a really interesting lineup of dates and including eric davis said to me he didn't name drop it
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specifically but the aerospace corporation is the one ffrdc he knew of that engages with this stuff
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this was started by dr eric a walker dr eric a walker is one of the most underrepresented figures
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in all of ufo in my opinion back in 1950 i consultant to the defense research science board or the r d
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of understand them reverse engineer them are headed by dr vannevar bush and the matter isn't top secret
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canadian department of transport memo that wilbert smith then created uh two ufo projects for canada
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kexberg pennsylvania crash not only admitted that he knew about the majestic 12 but also said one of the
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he said something along the lines of what do you know about esp extrasensory perception unless you
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walker who started the applied research laboratory pennsylvania's uarc is is one of the most underrepresented
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and entwined guys and kind of ufo lore of all time because this guy said he was at the 65 kexberg crash
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foundation of all of this stuff man and it's also like the the convenient thing about it is it's the
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of anti-gravity or like aircraft that aerospace companies are making but as soon as you start
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i you know i i think that i do think because i've never seen demonstrations of remote viewing or psi or
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psionics this stuff work i i am i'm of the mind also like many of the skeptics i i think there should be
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demonstrations of such a thing i'd like to see demonstrations of remote viewing of psionics and
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stuff because just like you and just like a lot of the public that is the hardest part for me to wrap
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started to look at some of these whistleblowers you know like hmm is this guy legit who do you look at
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skeptically how do i know if i want to trust this guy right um i mean a lot of them man i i don't know
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of them and you know some of the guys like i think the guy that that jesse interviewed the um
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disconnected from it they seem to be the most credible and they're like kind of like one-off
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their planet ran out of water and they're coming here to take over in about 15 years if they're
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the bottom of any of this stuff well specifically doty has been rearing his head recently he was on
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was talking about something else so doty's always still kind of flirting around and then there's of
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would be shown pictures of flying saucers made to sign an nda until though we have secret alien technology
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something on twitter this morning about like some sort of wall street journal article oh yeah no
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brought up to the front gate of malmstrom afb 60 feet in the air and basically took a a bunch of
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sophisticated disinformation campaigns since the 1950s i mean 1953 right after the sightings of ufos
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possible imprisonment so all along the way you have all of these psyops and you have all these interesting
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things then of course we have all sap and then a tip recently those um bigelow aerospace the slides
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of money trying to understand this crazy stuff that's like it's like almost stuff that's impossible
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to like measure and it's like sci-fi woo-woo stuff that he's interested in and he's like one of the
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biggest investors in this ufo aerospace stuff yeah and then according to some of the the bass documents
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david fravor as like a human-made creation and so forth you see some of those this this all started
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essentially kind of keep emergent technologies from surfacing and then provided a bunch of the bass
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of course on reddit you got to be a little careful with any whistleblower same thing with reddit and
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that especially kind of you're right the big low is really interesting how he's so into more of the
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can really kind of itemize and list out and yeah and draw chains of custody and and so forth so some
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of that esoteric stuff i'll leave that in the consciousness studies to jesse because he's got a
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your hour and 45 minutes into the history of this case that happened in peru freaking decades ago and
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nest so a lot of these crash retrieval cases whistleblowers corporations involved they you
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know i i'm not solving anything i'm trying to i'm doing the best to get to the bottom of it but
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platform and i'm trying to just talk about like the news of the day you kind of get bogged down you
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kind of like lose your footing in what you're really trying to in like the real investigations that
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conclusions like it's i make these projects very selfishly for myself sometimes because a lot of the time
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when i'm researching or doing the investigation i can kind of click with various things and i also
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that is is there was um a bunch of stuff in that book about like velcro and kevlar and all these like
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think that was real some of them were added some of them weren't but the distinguishing difference
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that a lot of these stuff weren't copied like the technology wasn't basically seeded from craft but
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we as humans had our own evolution of these technologies and an understanding of a different
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variation of something like the transistor integrated circuit allowed for further advancements of our
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pulling like a more advanced transistor type piece of technology off the roswell crash may have allowed
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non-human technology not inventing technology out of the ether because we just pull it from a non-human
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from other technology on existing technologies right there's still a lot of questions with corso right
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like we can't there's a lot of rebuttals for most of that technology created i mean even passive night vision
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super dry it repeats itself dozens if not hundreds of times but it just is is basically corso's words
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to make something sell to hollywood so there's a lot of added information that i i really understand
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think the most interesting example of where john alexander was president present was 1985 at the
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this was an event that okie shannon if you've heard of okie shannon he was director of like special
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right which is really interesting a lot of it was ran by john alexander and at that time new bdm board
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alexander including a massive mention of a i think it says like huge engineering project under bobby
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ray inman and of course that's somebody we talked about right no bobby ray inman is the neuro guy he's
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the cia guy he's the nsa guy he's the saic guy he's the wackenhut guy oh wow what he's he's one of the
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main villains of this of this entire story i'd say something i forgot to tell you about is in 1989
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that but directs eschler to current cia dsnt director of science and technology deputy director
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heineman freaks out says no don't talk to me nothing there heineman was also director of the nro program
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b and was actually the first one of the first heads of pine gap when it opened up in the 70s
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in that area of research but back to inman inman also appointed bob eschler nasa mission specialist to former
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director of naval intelligence sumner shapiro sumner shapiro was also a bdm board member but sumner
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up close but they were shipped between different doe laboratories and some of them featured interlocking
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so bobby ray inman you know points bob eschler to all sorts of these guys bobby ray inman is former
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director of neuro cia all this but then in 2020 and this echoes the present very well bobby ray
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talk it basically explains how like all of these things are connected with wackenhut the cia and all
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of these different scandals that have ever happened from like watergate to like iran contra and all this
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stuff it's all a part of this big crazy deep state blob octopus uh and all these tentacles are
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attached to one another and danny casolero got to the bottom of this thing
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department of energy uh i mentioned the department of energy special response teams that are like
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armed guards and so forth that will be inside of a ufo facility guarding the usap program locations and
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so forth so i think wackenhut is intimately entwined and bobby ray inman he was a board member of wackenhut
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it's interesting he said that uh he was the guy who said that a bunch of the stuff can be explained
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away with a conventional explanation all i think some of them definitely can yeah i agree i think i think
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even the uh the the stuff that was leaked by the the 2017 uh new york times stuff yeah the footage of
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the the i forget if it's the go fast there's one of them where the basically it shows the thing flying
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parallax of the water underneath it to make it looks like it's it looks like it's going 10 times faster
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than it could be a bird yeah flying across the surface of the water i i agree with you i i don't
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think those videos are the cream of the crop definitive anything i i in fact i think that video and picture
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evidence is some of the the least compelling stuff we can get i'm i'm with you the debate still rages on
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made on a single one of them right besides maybe just the go fast and it kind of downgrading it to
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getting okay so matt brown wrote the uh immaculate constellation report oh yes okay some of those
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matt brown who you know i put a lot of faith in was a reactionary special access program formed i
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think 2017 2018 to kind of catalog various morphologies sightings databases of of ufo sightings
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and there's been a lot of discussion that everything matt brown found was in a shriever war games file i i
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highly doubt that but within the immaculate constellation report there's detailing of you know videos and imagery
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from satellites of morphologies of craft from everything to triangles hovering over the indo-pacific
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and created the immaculate constellation report which was presented to uh the house in november of 2024
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and nancy mace entered it without you know jeremy's page a lot of drama there but it's a really
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interesting report and uh of course matt brown just did a three-part interview series with jeremy
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near virginia of having hangers owned by amentum i think it is uh that house some recovered craft really
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mm-hmm wow let's let's see that dang satellite footage of that saucer resting in the clouds because
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that's the type of of footage that's that's going to be compelling you know recently there was the lou
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alizando kerfuffle of presenting the irrigation circles did you see that no oh my goodness so at the uap oh
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talking about four types of non-human species and as well as most retrievals being maritime
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retrievals which would then create a whole new world of investigation for us in neuro and then uh
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and it's just two elevation circles that has a small illusion of of being like a saucer hanging
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over a flat land that that's the kind of stuff that actively hurts the topic very badly yeah that's
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to vet it but if he can't vet it and eric davis has just talked about four species of non-humans and
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posted by lou of a chandelier in hungary do you remember that photo no it was a reflection of a
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anyone have you seen the video i'm sure you've seen the video of the uh what do they call it the the
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yeah the jellyfish looks like a cluster of balloons gosh yeah it's it's so hard to tell with
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because jeremy corbell posted the said the full video shows the thing rising out of the water
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that a cluster of balloons or other prosaic explanations are are perfectly reasonable yeah
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oh six six eight eighteen twenty six yes exactly and that whole story of that guy that guy's testimony of
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that giant freaking ship the size of like 15 football fields pulling up right next to him
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that's bizarre and there was also a radar guy apparently that like corroborated all of it because
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you remember the the pilot of the japan airlines flight i think this was in 1986 said that huge
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craft basically orbited around his plane at insane speeds as well and he tried to take a picture of
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compelling case there's also a spanish airliner case in the 70s of an actual plane uh commercial
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that sort of multi-sensor detection is is really what what can help push the envelope and kevin knuth is
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about some of like the physics and experience g-forces by craft in in that sighting in the graham
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changed from a high elevation to just above sea water it could have experienced up to 5500 g's of
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accelerated force yeah which is crazy yeah there's a lot i mean there's a lot of sightings from pilots and
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convenient yeah but what about the radar that like they have all kinds of i'm sure they have all kinds
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of of sensors that can detect anything around them and sonar and and all this stuff and they spend so
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she was showing us a map of all the submarine highways around the world for all the countries
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nuclear submarines patrolling everywhere so um there's got to be tons of reports from these nuclear
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sites it stands to reason that ufos would swarm nuclear subs of course as well loaded with warheads
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and there's a lot of of so in project blue book there's a great documents like the unexplained of
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blue book and it's just all the really unexplained sightings that had no real conclusion and some of
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them are of course maritime and uh uso sightings and some of these are like tic tacs hovering above
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the water in 1950 and i think kevin knuth talked about a new zealand destroyer case just off of new
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going to spoil it because i plan to talk to him uh kind of soon on one of my programs but that
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some sort of interest or investigations into this stuff from new people at nasa well plenty of nasa
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even before he was uh on nasa flights kind of chasing ufos in a in a jet while in service and there's
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there i can't recall them off the top of my head but there are stories of like lunar or apollo
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them there's allegedly a tape taken by one of the apollo astronauts there's the testimony of of this
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is a famous greer testimony of donna hare she was a former nasa employee who claimed that nasa would
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airbrush ufos out of various satellite imagery or space imagery but i i agree but it already is somehow
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left out of the club nasa is pretty underfunded nasa doesn't have some of the most cutting-edge
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technology i i think at least to me it seems like a lot of the cutting-edge technology and actual craft
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it's relegated to asymmetrical warfare advantages and that stuff's going to be kept in the deep black of
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jason georgiani was telling me a story of a guy who i think he worked at nasa but was like shown
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was privy to some of these images and was like gobsmacked and so excited for the upcoming news
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interesting stuff on the moon i know jesse and joe were talking about the dark side of the moon how
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you know the moon's tidally locked so a lot of the time the dark side faces away from us but also
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branch of service but was talking about how the chinese are mining helium three on the moon oh really
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for power sources that's crazy because we haven't had a we haven't the us hasn't had a person out of
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image of like a huge saucer shaped i'm sorry cigar shaped craft in front of one of our jovian planets
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maybe there is uh maybe there have been arvs that have been taken for a spin outside of uh outside of
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lot of really big questions that like need answers about the moon landing like like how did they how do
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they lose all of the data right on the moon landing stuff they they claim that if you i asked chat gpt
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chat gpt will tell you that the response or the the answer to why they lost all of that information
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then they to rewrite stuff and they accidentally like erased it or whatever so so now we have none of
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like it's also the only it's also the only technological feat in any sort of uh industry
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or any sort of technology that hasn't event advanced or like exponentially grown since it was first
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destroyed the footage that we had at the moon landing or oh yeah it kind of keeps us close to home
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like june of next year remember we were supposed to go to mars in 2025 and even back in the the 60s and
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70s out of the rand corporation and stuff there were all sorts of plans for lunar bases and like lunar
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tunnel systems for trains huge plants what none of these there was supposed to be maglev systems on
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underground on the moon like yeah maglev trains and none of this ever transpired it it is curious
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taken the time to sit through and sift through it but it's so interesting and that period of time
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in the middle of the cold war was when the united states was there was so much deception and so much
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is automatically painted as a fool yeah yeah anything should be questioned one of the speaking about
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reproduction vehicle i forgot to mention one of the interesting things brad sorenson said is
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that some of these suit and ties showing off the flux liner claimed that the flux liner had been
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taken to various places in our solar system because this thing flew at basically this the speed of
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flight using zero point energy systems and that our own solar system was devoid of of other intelligent
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fits is so she uh sent me this book called uh i think it's called the rings of saturn have you heard of
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of the first probe that got like really close to saturn took a photo of the uh the ring around
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saturn and the i haven't read the book yet but but apparently the claim of the book is that they found
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like some sort of weird looking vehicle that was like whoa parked inside of the ring of saturn i i think
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of bankers trying to get off the the freaking earth in case something happens and um you know all this ufo
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she's a very credible person yeah and she's really hip to the kind of ufo lore and the ufo subject she
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had like a series of 20 like 25 interviews over the years on dark journalist and i watched every
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things and she's really dialed in with a lot of these subjects she blew my mind when she was explaining
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and not looking at the black hole of the trillions of dollars missing from the pentagon
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yeah like and and her what she was saying was that elon's deliberately trying to like get all of
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beings inside of the united states and integrate that with xai and palantir ai and elon's been you know
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through this centralized wechat and and um the fact that he's you know talked so highly of the wechat
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palantir and integrating all this stuff and using all of the hhs social security and irs data to
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dollar contract two weeks ago uh i don't think there's any uh optimistic outcome no of doing
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goodness part of it had something to do with uh elon really wanted this specific person to be the head
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of nasa and trump said no i don't want that guy to be the head of nasa because he said something was
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fishy about him or something what that twitter beef came out of nowhere that was really shocking to see
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because then of course uh elon implicated trump in the epstein files and he said that's why they're not
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you're not optimistic about uh this kind of doge platform a because we would lead towards a even
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even get to the bottom of where these dollars are going right yeah apparently apparently all you know
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pentagon is missing and the trillions of dollars like why didn't he go look for that because those
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are funneled into black holes and they're so one of the things i i really want to understand that i
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transactions skimming off contracts overcharging uh all sort of siphoning off funds leftover funds
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end of fiscal year the amount of creative accounting must be a nightmare to to try and track any of it
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program accounting that that'd be a couple of some people's dream that'd be katherine
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see somebody like her looking at it from the looking at it through the lens of accounting yeah
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you know and it needs to be done because especially for the subject of like deep underground military
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bases back in the 60s and 70s the us army corps of engineer like we talked about published a ton of
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level costs and kind of come to conclusions that these bases could be constructed they could be
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constructed in pre-existing cavities without uh too much expenditure out of out of the budget and
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there's also discussion that some of these tunnels between these underground bases are used are of
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course cored out via tunnel boring machines tbms but that a lot of these projects to find these
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dollars we might have to look at the bureau of reclamation that have dug out tunnels all across
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clandestine secondary operations to track those monies and one of the questions with these uh these
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of like catastrophe and that's the main idea of people that build their own bunkers is like how
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how are you going to power it once you run out of fuel like like i don't do they have some sort of
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you know you and i'd be screwed i i live in in denver there's a massive fema continuity of
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there all of these sites a lot of them are for continuity of government but then there's deeper
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layers there's there's huge stiffs existing around and a lot of them are provable for example the manzano
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national labs also in new mexico is an acknowledged stiff and then there are uh the army corps of engineers
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there's historical conspiracies of massive underground facilities below china lake
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proving ground in arizona and back in the 60s the u.s army corps of engineers did a ton of deep basing
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built without having to core out any more rock so some of these places there are some u.s army corps of
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engineer studies that some of these underground locations can be located up to 8 000 feet underground
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imagine they they have to have some sort of setup on the moon like some sort of base oh agree if we
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hard to believe that that we haven't set up something there to like at least back up the data of humanity
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you know because if if there is some sort of like crazy catastrophe that wipes out most of civilization
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somewhere oh yeah and if if you do have a secret space program that uses some types of conventional
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some of those assets on the moon where you don't have to consistently overcome that as such an escape
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velocity yeah so it makes perfect sense yeah and of course the rand system and other uh other uh ffrdc's
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incorporations of interest we're doing studies of of maglev systems below the moon's surface which if
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of ed the guy i told you about so that that's always one interesting that ko yum i don't know
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up a independent review board appointed by the president confirmed by the senate of like civilian
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this passed so and i think there was some involvement of mike turner uh former rep that that uh he's the
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ohio guy right right patterson and then there's even some uh rumors of like the eminent domain
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