named joe i'm sure you've heard of him joseph farrell oh yeah i know joe very well you know
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and i was just blown away by some of this stuff yeah what do you make of that research i mean
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there's the title of that book what was it swastikas and flying saucers yeah well joseph
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he's like a bishop in the in the in the catholic church of of russia or something yeah i think
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well i think orthodox okay orthodox okay eastern orthodox some version of that and um but he he's
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a really highly intelligent man of course and he got into studying the nazi ufo connection and looking
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open to an extraterrestrial interpretation of the ufo phenomenon over time because like in the early
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years i think it was easy to interpret all of his work as saying all of this phenomenon is uh secret
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opposed to last year and it's important because uh speaking for myself i've i've gone to a lot of
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in this stuff just you know for a few years recently since like the emergence of youtube um but i think it
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was like the first one was james fox then uh jason georgiani steven greer these types of folks
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and uh you i've noticed that you've been in a lot of some of like the biggest documentaries on this
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brief summary of how you got into the stuff in the first place and what you've been doing ever since
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cold war studies at the university of rochester in upstate new york and i was very much into that
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i had previous to that i'd studied a lot of european history a lot of diplomatic history
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and i think it was 1994 and i saw on a display stand a copy of a book by timothy good called above top
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secret which is kind of a classic in the ufo field and uh it was the subtitle of that book that really
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i'd seen you know some old documentaries i'd watched leonard nimoy on in search of and seen some of those
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things but i really didn't know anything and i'd only heard claims of cover-up and this and that
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documents he had names of people that i was studying in my own research and i thought oh wow
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like a completely like unofficial version of history here is this true or is this nonsense right and
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same time i got on to what was then the baby version of the internet uh all of the usenet groups
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were a couple of people that i really learned from and i just went down this rabbit hole and i thought
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i'm going to spend two or three months of my life and i want to find out is there something to this or is
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there not something to this is this a waste of time uh like all of the other people in the academic
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basically the presidency of harry truman i'm looking at the early cold war 1950 and i'm thinking
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know and so i thought i'd spend a couple of months to look into it and i got hooked i got totally hooked
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obtained through freedom of information which itself didn't really get going until the late 1970s
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um when jimmy carter kind of strengthened foia at that time and so at that time a lot of
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you read uh statements by the director of scientific intelligence of the cia in 1952 a man named h
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marshall chanwell who's telling his boss walter beetle smith director of the cia
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in such a manner that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles
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we're being invaded so i read enough of these documents early on to think there's absolutely something that is at least worth
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deal with the fact that like why was the first director of the cia a man named roscoe helen cotter
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a member of a ufo organization called nikep in the in the 1950s until he clearly under pressure
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1946 going into 47 and then out of that you get the central intelligence agency that's all with the
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happened at roswell what i think happened at roswell was i think there was the recovery of
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of something that was highly exotic that we probably did not make you don't say roswell you don't say
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how general corso i think it was had some sort of report of the roswell crash and he mentioned stuff
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we had we had our own little cache of alien tech essentially and corso said his job was to
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kind of segue that out to private industry as quietly as he could and he did say things like kevlar and
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something extraordinary but like so the the the implications of that would mean that either a
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there we weren't there but if you are imagining that you've got a team of brilliant human scientists
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generate some pretty interesting ideas as a result of that which might be uh variations you know of
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some of the alien tech i don't think that's impossible at all so velcro yeah i don't really
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know if the aliens use velcro be kind of a handy thing uh for your sneakers or whatever footwear they got
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theoretically could be thousands of years ahead of us or more that a you could struggle in figuring out
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a lot of these things material science uh i think notoriously is said to be one of the most important
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over a number of years kind of passed it out to different scientists including hal putoff and eric davis
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layers of bismuth and magnesium and i think titanium in ways that we still do not necessarily know how
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sufficient to be able to withstand whatever you need them to do or in the case of what how speculated
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talking about but really what it seemed like is a kind of anti-gravity anti-gravity type of a thing so
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i cannot understand uh it would produce a kind of effect on gravity wow interesting yeah so in other
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how do they do anti-gravity pardon me some kind of propulsion system some kind of engine but no if
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it's in the skin of the craft itself yeah that's a really kind of nifty solution and maybe that's
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part of what they do wow yeah the only uh my introduction to this whole anti-gravity theory was
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yeah understanding it too but uh there's a couple of different theories that people have had as to
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so i started i'm looking at um all of these early documents that's really what got me in so i was
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always a document kind of a person i wanted to know uh what was the as far as we can understand
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book on this in 2000 i self-published it and then and then yeah in in 2000 that was still kind of a
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was the start of my entry into this field back in the early 2000s and i have never left it's it's kept
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there but there's different variations of how it works like i remember when i first published that book
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he was the first uh kind of famous person to endorse my work it was like great oh wow moonwalking
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i don't think it works like that it's it's very privatized you know there's a lot of a lot of uh
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a number of people in that crowd including help hud off and including a number of other folks
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kind of nebulous like who are these guys is it all is it all think tanks and corporations or is it
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something else and i don't know the full answer to that to this day but uh but that's a big part of
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this so you're dealing with a kind of a labyrinth of secrecy and to the extent that it's privatized
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makes it much more of a challenge for people to use like freedom of information for example right
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right well that's by design right yeah yeah i think so so that all of that was an evolution through
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my years of looking into this i have to say uh one of the uh biggest turning points for me in this
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whole topic was that documentary that you were a part of um about paul benowitz um was it the magic
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six yeah that's early that blew my mind that totally that totally blew my mind um such a first of all such
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basically scramble the mind of one individual just to alter public perception of something yeah that's
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an interesting one because to this day uh the interpretation of what happened with paul benowitz
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why why was uh air force office special investigations or cia possibly or any of these
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know this paul benowitz was a uh kind of a small u.s defense contractor in the 1970s he uh lived right
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reagan uh after 1981 about this wow like saying you've got to get on top of it like and so he was
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i think the claim was that essentially like 30 000 foot view is that he was a conduit of disinformation
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in the ufo community to poison the well of the ufo community because they knew there were soviet spies
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espionage and there's definitely the attempt to muddy the waters of the ufo community but the question
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little bit of both i don't think it was all just uh uh that they were only protecting their own tech
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ours and i only say that because when first of all there were a number of other people who are
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the uh history of violations of sensitive airspace of u.s bases across the entire u.s this is an old
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much involved in all of that wasn't there a part of that documentary where they claimed the nsa moved
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playing it right out of water they're going to be here in 15 years or something is that magic man i
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university of wyoming leo sprinkle who used to do uh hypnotic regressions of people and there was a
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for disinformation yes i think that's absolutely true and and um i wrote about this in one of my
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books my second volume of history uh called ufos in the national security state and my my feeling was
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the secrecy of the ufo subject at that time one was as we mentioned the release of documents of
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freedom of information this was a new thing this had never happened before you know in the 50s and
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really into that we have this project blue book and we're not really finding any evidence of aliens
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for documents pertaining to ufos and holy cow like they got a lot of them proving that the air force was
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lying they were lying through their teeth for years and so that was one thing so the freedom of
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information act was a threat to the secrecy and if you're if you're on the other side of that trying
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is if they shake the tree enough is something going to fall out of that tree that's really compromising
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actively cultivating um ex-air force and ex-military people getting all kinds of stories about crash
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retrievals it was it was kind of a first like no one was a magnet the way stringfield was at that time
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sow the seed of doubt into documents and this is one argument about the mj 12 documents that came
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against paul benowitz that we were just talking about could be part of that as well this is like
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kind of the empire strikes back you know you've got all of this uh all of these threats to the
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empire of secrecy and the late 70s early 80s they make the decision in the early 80s like let's um
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but yeah i mean it's we're going beyond ufos here or uap this is in a whole array of things i have no
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time and it kind of breaks open the space a little bit where people can talk about this a bit more
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you go here's all of our secrets yeah sorry about that we were wrong no that's not going to happen
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there's too many far too many reasons right to maintain this and to fight every step of the way
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so what i believe is happening in terms of all of this like this has been an argument for almost a
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of uh ufo information to serve their needs or what i believe is we're looking at a factional struggle
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absolutely not resolved to that at all not not reconciled to that and they will fight every step of
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as far as like all of the information that exists about this stuff on the internet he's he was saying
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only like 20 of it needs to be fake he's like 80 of it can be real and still no one will ever know
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always look you've got trolls out there you've got hardcore skeptical people out there of course
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beginning of may you had oh i missed that well it was very interesting so you had dr eric davis who
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stephen greer was very much a part of this so back in 1997 all right greer and edgar mitchell the
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they are beyond the formal control of the us government and so they're trying to get audiences
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who was uh head of intelligence for the joint chiefs of staff at that time this is april 1997
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look into this the head of the joint chiefs yeah well he's head of intelligence for the joint chiefs
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so or he was deputy head of intelligence for the joint chiefs he then became head of intelligence for
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the joint chiefs which was head of the dia so he was important and he goes on a two-month
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that is ultra ultra secret programs dealing with et tech he contacts the managers of one of them
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have you do not have proper oversight of this and they are like no we're we're fine we don't need you
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bigot list b-i-g-o-t and it's an acronym deriving from world war ii anyway that's the list of people
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to be this is this is part of my purview and they're like no it isn't he says well i'll complain
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they're like be my guest we're not afraid we're not afraid of you and he did go back to dc he did
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there with edgar mitchell and there was another navy commander named willard miller who was part of
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attempt by the head of intelligence for the joint chiefs to get access to this program and he was denied
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access so it's kind of a big thing like you know you learn this fact and you're like how do we get
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to wilson we want to talk to him so wilson retires in 02 and clearly eric davis who was part of the
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up roughly 15 pages of typewritten notes of his conversation with wilson i am mentioning this because
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i knew i read that i read portions of that document back in 2000 and uh okay so it's still six yeah
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at all in 2019 was because of just a year and a half earlier edgard mitchell had died and his estate
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um well it got it got leaked out so there was a friend of the family who was able to get some of
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part of 2019 they were quietly circulating around like the full notes that davis had written and then
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it leaked out it leaked out enough in the spring of 2019 that i uh took it upon myself to do my own
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little youtube video on it and i think that's what blew it open in june of 2019 but that's eric davis
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like so eric davis is and he's also part of this legacy remote viewing program too right he was a part of
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no no and i don't think sarfati was part of the sri thing um okay that's put off and uh russell targ
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of people talk about that on this on this show before and it's uh yeah the way he described it with
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rogan was uh it was very very cohesive like it made a lot of sense the way he did it yeah it's
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yeah there's different types of aliens that i've become aware of and like he's quite explicit
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put up a an image of a what was supposed to be a ufo and oh looted yeah yeah it was very quickly uh
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the mistake okay fine whatever but i don't think that any of that was in bad faith at all i absolutely
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good things had very good things to say and uh more mike gold of nasa but they they focused on this
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for the one little thing rather than you look at the big picture of what these other
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hell of an interview oh and malengrim he he got very sick immediately after this and he died shortly
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uh worked on a number of shuttle missions and said in 1992 he's down by cape cape canaveral i think
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and he saw a cctv footage of a he was shown this by another air force officer of a flying saucer
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but think of this in the last less than two weeks those all of those have come out like that's
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with eric davis and all those guys we're looking at a kind of pile-on effect you know with uh the
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momentum of all of this these new revelations new claims maybe it might be a better way to put it but
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never in all of the history of ufo research and that's this is something i can speak very
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this roller coaster of emotions on the ufo topic from being a i get burnt out on it super easily
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just alluded feeding us this fire hose of misinformation just to get everyone confused so
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what's going on the reason uh that i i still i very much believe that the significant portion of
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history of this uh particularly the early like the post-world war ii but even there are some very
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well and so when you look at some of these early cases and then particularly when you read uh the
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that we know of at the time in the 40s were looking into this and there just is there's nothing
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about joseph farrell before this thing started and um and i'm a friend of joe's and i respect and
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like you know third third reich tech and all of that i mean there's definitely the horton brothers
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more and more support for the idea of a 1933 italian recovery right italian this is i think
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roberto pinotti who looked at a lot of the original documents that do exist in italian from 1933.
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and um interesting so i think yes like this goes back farther in time than a lot of the american
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call them they go back so far earlier than the the 1940s you think that points to it being of
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non-human origin just because of how advanced it was and how early it was i i think so that's what i
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uh there's a couple of different ways to look at this so you know hal putoff wrote a very interesting
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paper a number of years ago on uh ultra terrestrials this yeah concept and it's a it's very interesting
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up with some version of warp drive mathematically the problem is finding the amount of energy
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if i've i'm on top of that one so maybe you can you can educate me but uh but i guess i'll just say i
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would be of interest makes a lot of sense to me the fact that earth would be a very interesting place
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also makes a lot of sense to me i think all of that makes perfect sense that if you have the ability
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could be entirely possible and we would be interesting because a there could be a lot of
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twentieth the size of the sun and one twentieth the distance from the sun i think i'm getting that
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it if if that's a significant part the fact that it's a stabilizer of our environment is very
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that but that could be significant it's totally locked yeah thank you steve what's the fractions of
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evolve in the water but then we have enough land out of the water that life can crawl up and evolve on land
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you know i mean that's kind of an interesting thing right there and we've had enough uh stability over
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hundreds of millions of years that we can allow complex life to develop on right and i mean yeah
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one out of a million systems might have something like this or whatever it is and that could still be
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that given the proper conditions right and i'm going to guess that you know in enough parts of the
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point where it develops its own ability to kind of manage itself which we're maybe kind of doing and
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nanotech and who the hell knows what quantum computing and what kind of crazy
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diabolical mixture will come out of all of that and i think that that's probably what what other life
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by the requirements of constantly developing that intelligence in other words
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meeting the needs of the demands of a highly integrated digitally advanced artificially intelligent
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system of which we are now just a part like we think it's working for us but i think we're serving
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just kind of take off on its own because i think it's the intelligence that's the dominant factor
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we're the caterpillar yeah we're like the servants of of what high intelligence demands and we we're
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out of human beings ends up being in like 50 to 100 years well it all depends on it's summertime boys
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humidity doesn't help for me i've become a human petri dish of stench if you've been struggling with
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for me especially in florida during the summertime when i do a lot of activities outside including going to
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products of your choice like mini body wash and deodorant wipes and free shipping and as a special offer
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probably uh a speeding up of of human evolution is probably happening right i think it is right
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leap you make whether it's mastering the use of fire or stone tools or now working at it you know
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find and process the right kinds of wood like all of that that that prompts further intellectual
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i live in florida i go through a lot of hurricanes and it's like exactly so but they were like they
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you know going back to this you know this technology conversation and the evolution of human beings
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one of the ideas that i've been throwing around is the idea of like this this esp telekinesis having
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these senses that are not apparent in everybody but they're kind of like extra some people have have
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like ancient human beings right before we had the development of language before we had the
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predators to stay alive yeah and boy before we had anything like i'm sure we had some sort of extra
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over millennia my wife and i talk about this a lot this is like our one of our pet theories that we've
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been uh hashing around for a couple of years excuse me i totally believe that that's the case we actually
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are uh the brain capacity of the human being today is less than it was among um our ancestors even more
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than 10 000 years ago i think it's like the amount of a golf ball or no more than that i think right uh
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uh maybe a baseball amount of a brain we have less we have we have a little bit less that doesn't mean
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the brain's expensive i mean in terms of energy like it's it's not free and so you you have to have
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that you're right i think that's true like we've probably atrophied um and what that of course this
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perceive some various forms of non-locality you know things that are far away that logically you
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there might be there definitely are we know of that are really really far away but like we are so rare
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in this solar system um all the different species that exist on earth i think out of so this is kind
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of getting into what mike masters explained to me he's a uh anthropologist and he was explaining to me
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there's over two million species of animals i didn't mean to interrupt you isn't he the one who um
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am i getting my people mixed up he came up with a paper about a year or two ago that got a lot of
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an anthropologist and he and his and he's wrote a bunch of books on on uh his his i think his it's not
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his most recent one but one of them is called the extra tempestrial model and he basically explains
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you know having a background in in this stuff and evolution is that there's 200 species of cat there's 200
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are 2 million catalogued species on planet earth out of the 2 million 20 of them are hominids out
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of the 20 hominids we are the ones that developed technology that was able to escape the earth
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so we are like 0.0001 of all species human beings on earth so that is extremely rare for earth which is
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goldilocks planets that we know of that are so far away how how many of them have the same gravity the
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same atmosphere the same how many of them are water worlds or not and what is the likelihood that those
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that you have to have is an ecosystem that can support enough diversity of life for this to happen
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agree with all of that i think that's entirely right but the fact that our body plan is an anomaly i
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understand what is the mechanism of evolution what is it really is it truly just random mutation or is
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engage in planetary domination of any capacity honestly i think this plan this body plan of ours
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than that i don't know of anything that's been better uh and then the thing is once our you know
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australopithecine distant ancestors of four million years ago or three million years ago they realized oh i
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would look like and some of those ideas were kind of kind of goofy when i look at them now and i don't
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think they make a lot of sense because a body has to be efficient and it's got a and so you're looking
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at all of these different factors that go into it and it seems to me that bipedal standing upright with
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a couple of extra hands to do your job like that's really that's quite useful and i could imagine that
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can fly as well as insects can fly right and birds and that type of thing yeah that makes a lot of sense
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with morphic resonance this theory by uh rupert sheldrake to win there it's like some sort of a quantum idea
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it's a it's a quantum theory essentially so i guess one of the examples that sheldrake used was this
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a monkey on one side of the world discover some sort of technology figures out how to crack a crack
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the monkeys on the opposite side of the world figure out the same thing so he thinks that might
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yeah uh you know there's the secret life of plants which came out over 50 years ago which talks about
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don't understand it can be a means of communication among plants right all right so how does that work
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i don't know google what's the distance what is the distance of the earth to the sun
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want to um start working on this project involving usos specifically yeah one of the most uh rewarding
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um and you know i've i'd heard of this type of phenomenon for many many years uh it's always been
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out of the ocean yeah making a big uh display like that and i thought i mean how many how many of these
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stories exist i have a website uh with a lot of amazing members and uh they'll ask me questions one
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island called adak island out there and there is a case from the summer of 1945 where a u.s
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seattle and they were by the aleutians and apparently an object appeared to have come out of the water
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was somewhat known to me and it's known to other researchers and i just did like a little bit of
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realize there were a couple of books that had been done on this it was a book back in 1970 by an american
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there was a couple of others here and there and i thought i want to collect them how many can i find
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doing more of these little mini presentations for my website and it just became by the summer of 2022
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it was kind of a mania and i thought i'll see if i'll do a book see what i come up with and that
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of work with and give a good description of so i've got about just under 700 uh from around the world
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and some of them go back kind of far not not into the distant distant ancient uh the first really
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them i wanted to breathe like fresh life uh 99 of them are completely forgotten even by like experienced
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deserve they deserve a fresh retelling of them and i wanted to do that and then it just morphed into
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wonderful man and did beautiful illustrations for this project and i did a bunch of other things i wanted
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not anticipate doing when i started but that became kind of a significant thing too and that taught me
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more about this phenomenon just looking at some of the statistics that seemed to jump out at me so all in
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all like you you're seeing this phenomenon evolve over especially the last couple of hundred years
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believe that they're that they adapted that they've adapted that some of their behaviors due to our radical
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transformation of our own technology especially over the last century i mean it's kind of an amazing
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thing you know you think of where we were in the oceans a little over 100 years ago we the first
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now we have hundreds of them circling the oceans loaded with nuclear warheads exactly exactly so
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theme of developing intelligence maybe we're more aggressive maybe we're not as i don't know but we're
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when i was looking at the statistics of this um this whole thing happened because
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idea if if for each case you had like a bunch of categories so that someone could just like look at
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damn it that's a really good idea i didn't want to do it because it was a lot of extra work i had to go back
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very glad i did it because then that allowed me to put all of that into a spreadsheet and look at
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that i i was just somehow uh not selecting a broad spectrum of cases i mean all of that's possible i
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bit of both okay mostly mostly mostly pulling out the information from there are a couple of uh
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websites where there's a lot of information so one is the national ufo reporting center that's run by
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which is nice because i'm not a mufon investigator but they uh they knew what kind of work i was doing
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collected a bunch of these cases so i looked at all of those and then there's books and like out of
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kind of people are reporting these yeah there are hot spots we probably part of the problem with usos
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of the pacific ocean so that's a problem right there uh navies are the u.s navies but they don't like to
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tried to collect all of those they're very interesting but basically we are you know so when
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base which is most of them it's long along the coast that's where people about like um oil rigs
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yeah a couple of them there's a good one from the gulf of mexico am i a gulf of america gulf of
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mexico gulf of america brother that's where we are right there gulf's right there exactly so one of my
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there's quite a few from the gulf here quite a few and uh one of my favorite ones this is from the
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rig wrote into new fork the website and he uh described this he said i was with a bunch of
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other guys on our rig and there was another rig he said a couple of miles over this way and in between
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this humongous gargantuan like football field plus size object comes out of the water dripping water
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and we're watching it drip water we're kind of blown away and it just zips off it's gone
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it's a pretty interesting story and i i tend i mean i read the account and that's one of the cases that
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goes into the third volume of my study did that corroborate any other accounts were there any other
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similar accounts with football field really yeah also not just usos but you get ufo cases of
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heard of that yeah yeah kevin's a really good man he teaches at albany and in new york state
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you know look at the ocean so a lot of things about it first of all it's non-compressible in other words
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variations are far less in the ocean than they would be above the ocean and a lot of other things
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he said you know there's a lot of good reasons to if you are from somewhere else what if you are from
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of course there's also our skies are just littered with airplanes so there's that there's that
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land so we might hang out in the ocean stay out of the way so there's good reasons that the oceans would
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island there's a lot of activity there but north of the island you've got the great puerto rico trench
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there are a number of pretty good cases from that area he's showing pulling something up and who um
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are there military people that are reporting any of this stuff yes yes absolutely uh well reporting is
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a variety of ways yeah so puerto rico is one hot spot uh we hear a lot of talk about california's
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catalina island oh yeah near la there that absolutely the entire uh atlantic seaboard of the united states
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going into canada uh florida where we are is extremely very very active on all sides of the peninsula
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of reporting americans report this stuff way more seems well we have better reporting infrastructure
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regions of the world i don't really think that they have the the same infrastructure for collecting
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have collected a lot they do a lot of very good work out there um
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of like know there's a lot of activity going on in south america and there's a decent number of uso
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got a crazy history just a general of ufos yes absolutely and recently learned about that uh that
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delta reaching out to the atlantic ocean in the late 70s yes yes yes um and there's a lot of those
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that are jet genuine uso cases so many of those were seen in the water coming out of the water
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entering the water that's an incredibly ecologically important area part of this world i mean it's
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it's the most massive amount of water flow i think going into any ocean on the planet amazon river yeah
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out of the amazon it's massive uh this is incredibly ecologically important and rich like estuary
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where you've got um it's very it's just very important so maybe there's part of that that's
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like it seemed like a slaughter of people or less a lot of a lot of people being being murdered
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and not in a kind way by something yeah and in fact there are claims that this type of thing goes
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on to this day not necessarily in that specific region but other parts of south america i've really
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years some very bizarre cases of uh like human mutilation type cases um that he was looking into
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very kind of uh like rural yeah south american type yeah yeah i mean they have some technology so
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they're not they're not uncontacted tribes no but they are uh wow they live a more basic kind of a life
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who was responsible for this or like what their what their descriptions were of who was doing this
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that is not necessarily an alien thing that this could be some kind of really uh like a diabolical
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covert op type of a thing happening possibly i i don't want to say much more because i i'm afraid
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couple of months and here you are like it just opens up uh all of these fascinating and sometimes
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disturbing possibilities that are out there you know out of all the uso cases that you went over
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know more about that 1717 case yeah i'll tell you that right now that's right off the coast of
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uh the name of the captain i cannot recall his name chevalier something uh he wrote in his log this is so
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uh was a a vertical orientation like a like a rod he said was like a mast of a ship so like you and
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i envision like a a straight perpendicular rod of some sort but above the water uh moving along with his ship
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he wrote in a very matter-of-fact way it was like 1717 17 17. wow yeah this is way before submarines
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obviously uh absolutely and uh the 18th century which that is part of that i don't know there's not
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many that i have found there's an interesting one off the coast of southern france i think from 1740
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that's kind of interesting and then there's one from a river a little small river in scotland in 17
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67 and i think that might be it for the only like a couple of cases it really starts going
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the first really good one that i just was kind of really taken by took place in 1825 and this was on
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a british vessel where they had just returned from hawaii in fact uh well there's a lot of interesting
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islands so it's like way down in the south part of the specific the pacific ocean and it's 3 30 in
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the morning the ships uh there was a naturalist aboard the ship i think of like in the movie master
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and commander they you know the buddy of uh russell crowe the captain was this naturalist uh that they
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cannon shot coming out of the water so it was like a deep orange type of a color but incredible
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went back into the water now you know how many naturalistic explanations can you think of that can
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account for this i can't think of any and bloxum writes this in a very straightforward way i mean
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you read the rest of his diaries i read some of it i mean he was clearly a very uh meticulous
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in his journal from august 12 1825 that's a heck of a case and i thought that's like the first really
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got illustrations or what yeah i think this is the illustration of that event oh or at least it's
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what was the size of the thing did they do i he you know i don't think he was a direct witness i think
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estimate i get the impression it was kind of large i mean it was noticeable it was very bright lit up the
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deck of the ship by the way so fast forward about 150 years to 1971 okay this is going into my next volume
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is a very involved series of uh exercises and they had just completed that it's 8 30 july 2nd 1971
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name is james copp with a k and he also reported this to a couple of other um websites uh at the time
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suddenly all of the communication he discussed the the way the communications on the ship where he
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but it's really it's kind of not that funny he hears on the intercom someone screaming it's god
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it's the end of the world so he's thinking what is going on he goes he's able to go out and look
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hovering above or near the jfk he said it gave off about half the strength of sunlight
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so it's kind of bright and uh there there are sailors who were having a really difficult time
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and you get this same type of glowing globular sphere wow yeah like what is that right what is that
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i wonder how many of them there are you know because like the most the first one that i ever heard
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there was a bigger ship that it came out of or something i think so yeah there's talk about that
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documented on all of his uh his radar right even though it hasn't been released well yeah there's
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and there's a lot of good witnesses for that um kevin day who operated the radar aboard the uss princeton
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who's a very decent man as a friend of friend of ours uh was there and uh has talked about this
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and great to tell and of course we have david fravor's testimony and and um a number of the
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doubt that something very very unusual happened there for sure of extremely high order of intelligence
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anywhere near catalina it's off the coast of that happened off the coast of lower baja california
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oh that was in near baja california i think yeah a little south probably south uh west of san diego i
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i have there's a lot of crazy stuff out in the ocean i have a friend who lives in tijuana and he
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says there's all kinds of like ufo stuff going on out there especially like in the water like uso type
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a lot of anecdotal information in mexico i have uh you know we spoke to a couple of years ago a gentleman
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who had an interesting uso uh account uh off the yucatan part of it you know on the other side
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case of like a ufo like stopping a nuclear submarine or something or interacting with like a big nuclear
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sub well we have some pretty good account actually the best accounts of that by the way i'm a very big
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admirer of robert hastings work especially on nukes very very important so i'm glad you mentioned him
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one or two of american but the soviets soviet union um yeah they have some we we learned about them i think a
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lot of this happened when the soviet union fell in in 1991 and for a while there a lot of these stories
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came out a lot of kgb files and this type of thing and so we uh soviet navy in the late 60s and through
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apparently and wonder is this americans are they what is this is some kind of new technology we have
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submarine right uh but that would happen and uh there would be multiple ones of them uh they'd be
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there was a um apparently a a formal classified study of them that was supposedly within the soviet
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military structure and it's not available that i'm aware of but yeah it's interesting because you only
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kind of detection one of the things that just fascinates me about uh these usos is like whenever
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i write about any of these i i try to whatever extent possible to put myself in that position
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you're hunting from their point of view about this i mean honestly i mean uh but the amount of drama
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the human drama has got to be off the charts for these people to have experiences and that was one of the
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rail draws for me to uh to engage in this project yeah that's one of the things i think about a lot
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too like you know there's various ideas of like how many people in the world know the truth about
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this stuff right like how many people that exist on earth know everything outside of the compartmented
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mean i've spent 30 plus years and i'm not one of them right i've tried right i try to get a handle
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on it but uh there's massive gaps i like i have that i always imagine like if you were one of those
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people if they do exist if there is anyone who has the whole picture the whole every piece of the pie
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in uh the study of human civilizations is a very um kind of i i once read uh the condensed version
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of a book by arnold toynby a really great historian it's like the mozart of historians in my opinion and
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progress of of human society and what is it that makes a civilization and so he did this comparative
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study of human civilizations anyway i was reading that at the time this is 2007 2008 and um i thought you
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know what about a civilization that develops out of the classified world that we don't know about
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during the cold war of of separate scientific infrastructure in the soviet union they had a
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separate scientific infrastructure that in a lot of ways was based on some really bizarre things they
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to go down this dead end path basically of research so like there are now that's something we know about
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uh which i was really thinking a lot about of course at that time to the point where you would have
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breakthroughs in terms of understanding whether it's gravity or material science or understanding who
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these beings are yeah that you cannot share with the rest of the world right but you that doesn't stop
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you from continuing on right to develop this and so you you end up going on your own path and you kind of
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proles living on the surface but you you are aware of anti-grav research you have the ability to go off
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and maybe a third and so you've got all these layers of cover and then you do your work you're in
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day you know and you can't really talk about it so that i think is probably that was my my vision of it
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that well if you were uh one of the executives of one of those corporations that did have this
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technology that's been evolving since the 50s with some sort of crazy physical understanding of
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physics that uh the rest of the world doesn't even understand and you now have weapons that are more
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powerful than the united states military russia china all of them combined and the head of the
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joint chiefs of staff wants some answers you're gonna give them the double bird you're gonna say off
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you're not getting any of our stuff we could take out every single military on the war in in the
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in the snap of our fingers so like you you don't have to answer to anybody yeah if they're that
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what is the structure of this secrecy for real like who who's running it who's who's the guy in charge
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and does he answer to someone else does he answer to them there's all kinds of possibilities who does he
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she's a great friend of mine oh really love katherine i just had her on fascinating and she was
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looks at this whole thing from a balance sheet perspective saying all these trillions of dollars have
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off yeah a couple of things so first of all everyone should know who katherine austin fits is she's
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the summer of 01 that was 2.3 and that number actually they supposedly got it down to zero uh if you want
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there's a lot of opportunities for duplicate transactions to be recorded and so i don't really
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know how much money gets siphoned out there's definitely i mean i completely agree a lot of
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a factor of eight right so how do you lose eight times your annual budget it beats me i don't know what
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became assistant secretary of hud housing and urban development yes correct first bush administration
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uh the full budget of hud is that it and they're like you're not authorized and she
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of papers and she i think she said something like you know god could not sort this mess out it was
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designed it was so it was it was uh physically unauditable and and one of her points i definitely
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where these people are uh they do not adhere to the rule of law they are above the rule of law yes and
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idea that they're all all this money is going to some stuff that we know and and then well think of
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one thing here sure so all of our history right we i'm sorry to interrupt you no all of our history has been
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priesthood guys in charge and they own everything they control everything but in the last couple of
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hundred years we like to think that we have this democracy of some sort where everyone's participating
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parts of that are equally important you have to have the people need to believe that they have a
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kind of democratic system or else they'd be very unhappy because we want to think that we have a say
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top and throughout all of the 19th and 20th and now 21st century their goal has always been to figure
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dishonest it has to rule by lies because and and that that distorts all of our politics too because
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everything's now out in the open you can't really um yeah everything's got to be kind of tossed out
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there for the people and it's all a series of manipulations one after the net it's just we get
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disclose certain things because they feel like that will unravel a whole another layer of lies that will
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sure there will be a lot of really terrible consequences for divulging some of the secret
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reveal of this whole ufo uap subject like a true reveal is highly highly destabilizing really too
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like there are factions that will never give this up they will never look think of it like but what
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justifying that yeah maybe they're right we we don't know all of it do we uh i believe in truth
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i like to think that most of us believe in truth and if i'm gonna have faith in anything it's gonna
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and some and some of them are not human and they're here that would be disclosure right that's kind of
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but even in that scenario uh i was you know even in 2010 i was all over 9 11. i got into a lot of
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personal thing on that level i mean for anyone who went through that of course i'm not saying like
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more for me than anyone else but my dad was was there that's crazy so your dad your dad knew a lot of
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people that died and i'm sure you did too yeah a lot of firefighters of course and a lot of good people
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one of my theories on 9 11 is that um that people that were closest to it and affected by it the most
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any of the alternate ideas of what happened right that that don't go with the narrative right they
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uh on false flags a history of false flag operations in our world i i got i got really into it and uh
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in fact i did a i wrote a little tv series for gaia television um number of years ago on the history
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of false flags you can go find it go to guy and go look for it um that was much less than i had actually
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deeply upset by it and then what you do this is the genius of it you find the solution immediately
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or any other there's a lot of false flags america is the king of false flags especially after world war
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so you have the emotional connection to some kind of here's the explanation and once once you get that
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that was put out the total theory but it was that was put out within a week of the event this guy
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that theory roughly the the planes crashing caused a pancaking effect oh yeah of the one floor on the
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pbs which is total cia op anyway and my dad bought into it of course he did you know i don't blame him
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and you know i mean how do i how do you talk about this without uh 50 of the population
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going to believe it so that's that's a complication where we're in a kind of a post-truth world essentially
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and they'll cause a lot of noise and it works yeah well i i've thought about it and i think i'm
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probably in that camp where if the top top top level of government came out and said aliens are real
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i would probably think the opposite or something there's some sort of weird mix right i mean there's
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definitely a large amount of people out there who um for you can't really blame them that they know
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going to be right to a certain extent think of i think of the ufo reality as a mountain right
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possible yeah so it's going to be deceptive yes any kind of real uh official attempted disclosure
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it's pro is almost certainly going to follow that model i still maintain and i i've caught a lot of
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hell for this and you know what can i say but i do think that a lot of the people who are pushing
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and i think he's he's i think he's on the right side of this that's my belief people can say you're
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that so but i'm not i don't look at it that way so i don't have a lot of their um you know predilections
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do you have um sort of like a a checklist or do you have any sort of way to qualify people who come
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or some some sort of a mixed bag that's a very fair question and i don't i don't know if i can
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like i can't give you a mathematical equation to say this is he fulfills all of these criteria there
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money and to like sell books and to do this kinds of things but they can also be useful idiots to an
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criteria that that any responsible researcher should adhere to so when first of all you you want to
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you know we went through a period of a decade or more ago when you'd have all of these totally anonymous
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than you do who know more about the history of aviation than you do who know more about the
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history of this department than you do like you want all these people have a chance to chime in
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a little controversial it was much more controversial in the past and uh part of it is like you
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you go by for me because i wrote about him over 15 years ago in one of my books and it was really
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finishing one of my books and um i ended up thinking i believe this man and i believed him because
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of the consistency of what he said over a number of years the fact that i never felt he
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know something he would say so like and then and then of course i did get to meet a number of people
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to come there because he's so easily discreditable because of his background and some of the stuff
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still married to her there was a bunch of really which was it's such a clusterfuck of logic when
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you're thinking about this stuff because you got to think like all of these things which are utterly
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this thing but then if you're looking at it from the reverse side of the lens if you're some
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intelligence operation trying to do something and protect yourself in case the cat gets out of the
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if you hear his story like the way he tells it he made the initiative to do all of this so he he was
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very unhappy with his employment situation at the time he had met edward teller right the vendor of the
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like he's a brilliant guy he developed his jet car right and it made the cover of the los alamos
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and i'll see you know they had this kind of conversation and a couple of years go by and
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the only reason that he went public is he uh bob lazar forgive me if i'm getting any of this wrong
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of his at the time and they start going out to watch the uh displays of the craft and i think
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it was i think it was like a more of a debate or like a conversation with him and stan friedman
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eyes you could look carefully you could see it i had all of i had big round glasses still and uh
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i wasn't even really conversant with lazar's story i had just worked my ass off to get the story of ufos
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up to 1973 that was the end of my first volume and uh lazar you know he was after that and i was
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this is still in the early 2000s in the late 90s and but a lot of lazar's interviews were available
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that one gets is that he just got sick and tired of the field and that there was you know it's like time
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also there's all these other whistleblowers that come out and one of the most recent ones that really
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he had a different he was had a different angle of it he was a part of some different organization but um
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um basically he says that he went to one of greer's public yeah whistleblower conferences and he
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have it but you've got the wrong interpretation of it i think like it's not a human trafficking kind of
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thing sure i think he got a kind of he so yeah so jesse brought up brought that up about the human
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of those wasn't he yes he was and um and you know you said they were they were keeping them and like
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on this one i just haven't uh i mean i'm aware of the story and we mentioned stan friedman stan
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i put it in my gray box yeah and there's a lot of things to go in a gray box sure and that
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that's one of those things where i mean i would say let's keep it open and let's find out if there's
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maybe we can we can move on from there but that's the problem with a lot of the elements in this field
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but i am absolutely convinced we don't fully appreciate the depth of what it really means
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i mean look imagine being across the table not from me but from one of them and imagine they have
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an iq of 500 and they're looking right at you and they've got a telepathic ability maybe they're
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that's a great question i wish uh i could have thought about this before it's kind of tough kind
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of tough on the spot a story that has no whether it be like a like a i mean other than the fact that
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it's kind of like it's grainy footage whatever and it's kind of like take it for what it is it could be
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darpa it could be non-human intelligence but like say there's one of these whistleblowers that come out
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like michael herrera or jake barber or or bob lazar right one of these sorts of stories that you that you
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came out in 2019 that that document i knew it was real and there were a lot of people at the time
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who were saying it's fake one person said it was a movie script one person a lot of people were just
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off at the rest of the research community because i was for a little while the only the only person
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publicly to take a stand on it wow yeah and everyone's like throwing all kinds of shit at me and
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that's fine but i'm like and there are a couple of people who privately had said to me
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uh some really snarky nasty people that popped up out of nowhere and then have since disappeared
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jacques valet talked about it in in his forbidden science one of his volumes in his diaries um oh
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really yes yes he mentioned knowledge of it at the time when at when um the ass when um
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and it's in there uh also eric davis himself short of saying i wrote them several times interviews that
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mentioned that he introduced davis by way of those notes and he he uh so he obviously knows it's real like
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talk more about the military aspect of this uso stuff yeah yeah yeah um what before we do that one of my
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bahamas that was specifically in charge of tracking some of this stuff this underwater ufo stuff do you
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so um apparently what what i for the way i understand it is they had some sort of
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maybe it was like a whoa holy macaroni bless you uh underground or not underground underwater sort of
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base to track and detect things something like this yeah so i am aware of that and i do have a
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what he has to say yeah one of the things that i try to do with this study is two things what so one
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these books um i break them into chapters and at the beginning of each chapter i try to highlight like
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the development of a lot of the navy systems goes has gone into that section of of each book uh the
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the top of my head i don't really know what else to say about it but okay it's as that description there
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says uh secretive testing of underwater vehicles yeah they they called it the underwater area 51.
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thing i did when i collected all of these cases on my little google earth i put a little yellow pin
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region here and so the fact that they've got something down there in the bahamas i just think it's kind of
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interesting because that's a very very active area for usos in general one of the fascinating things
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was a part of this base somehow well there's an underwater version of the nro um and it's n uro
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listening i i'm a big admirer of his yeah jesse's had jesse's had him on yes highly highly intelligent
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operates primarily in the waters of the soviet union started in 1969 and it's there's a history
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there one one thing that they were they have they collected um a tremendous amount of intelligence
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against the soviet union out of the sea of what coasts off the coast of kamchatka there and uh they
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actually were able to place a device on a undersea cable there like a listening device to kind of tap
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ago i think that's right so you've what we really have what the united states is of course is a a
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society right so i think there's all kinds of secrecy that's going on i i would not be shocked
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at all that there were a bunch of three-letter uh type agencies that we don't know about it wouldn't
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she's saying that it's very possible that like trillions of dollars are going to the going to these
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you know i i um used to know there was a researcher uh by the name of richard souder dr richard souder
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and uh is he the guy that was killed no not too much i think he's still alive okay yeah you might be thinking of um
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spazzing out of the souder yeah so richard souder did uh a number of books in the 90s on in the early
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2000s on underground and also under sea uh potential bases and he you know a lot of his work was very good
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supplies of oxygen tanks they have to extract oxygen out of the waters i think it's called
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that it would be possible that you could have a a whole array of underground and potentially undersea bases
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u.s navy back in the late 60s and he was asked to develop a series of illustrations uh portraying
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your question what catherine was asking about we're talking about these potential of under deep
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underground kind of a labyrinthian underground connection bases uh it's totally possible
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씨 that i think phil indy马ine he brings you to my point of view i agree with you
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but i wouldn't doubt that it's that it's a possibility yeah uh thinking of the other guy schneider phil schneider
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phil schneider of course might be the guy you're thinking oh yes phil schneider uh that's a whole
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these people were taking some of this money using money to explore space yeah and explore these
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all this work gets tons of money from the intelligence community and the u.s government
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to do all of this work and this is probably responsible for a lot of the money that he's
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bullshit there's no no evidence of this stuff if they're yeah if these aliens exist they sure are uh
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knows far more so it's hard for me to say oh he's full of it but for him he's made this statement a
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number of times that you know there's no he's not seen any evidence that there's anything extraordinary
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there is a tremendous amount of actually very good space-based evidence for anomalous activity out
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jeff he's not alive anymore he uh he spent all of his time just pulling down nasa video footage from
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gullible believer he was i think a very uh very astute and he just kept finding all kinds of crazy
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things on these nasa missions objects out there that just did not make a lot of sense objects doing
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can put out there to to explain some of them maybe like a booster rocket went off and uh ice crystals
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moved off at an angle but there's there's a lot of these types of things that seem very bizarre and
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they're not all american you have had a lot of statements from american and soviet cosmonauts
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pavel popovich of the soviet union both highly regarded uh cosmonauts in that country both spoke quite
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openly about uh these types of things in orbit that that they were aware of or had seen and uh quite a
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a wave of the hand as he seems to do i i find very curious yeah have you heard of the uh the guy who
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individual i think yeah there was two of them there was one of them named hal paven meyer who
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yeah who uh apparently like said all kinds of stuff to chris like told him like we brought him to cape
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times a number of times and um is that believable yeah that's totally believable yeah yeah i could
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some of the stuff i could believe i could believe what she wrote i don't i can't say that i know but i
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could believe it yeah i've had uh i've been reading a lot of ufo researchers who have various takes on
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chris bledsoe and quite a few of them have come out and and made the assertion that he is like a
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uh a couple of years ago i think it might have been it might have been the first extended interview
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so a couple of things first of all chris is a absolutely super decent human being his whole
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any question about it there's in fact just recently didn't a number of new people have come out to
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to say i wasn't i've not been there yeah i've heard different types of stories but i i think it's fair
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yeah i i tend to um i i don't think he's making any of this stuff up i feel like uh my my gut told
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nasa are like clinging to him well there's a couple of ways to look at it one is that it's an op
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would that not be a possibility one of the things about about stephen greer is that you know he
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security state i think partly because of this you know one of the things he talked about and it's true
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as far as i can see it's absolutely true is he met with a gentleman named john peterson of the arlington
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institute who was for many years on the short list of you know dod secretaries and things like that
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he was one but he's he's up there uh and also the then director of the cia james wolsey and their wives
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all of their power they went to some dinner together yeah they had dinner and this is i think in the late
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90s i think yeah no early 90s because wolsey was director of cia
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talking about crop circles in england in the early 90s he did a little bit of that and
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paid for some uh subscription to some website that could pull up pdfs of like ancient news articles and
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he was basically making the case that um essentially what the news article showed was uh the description of
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greer the publishing in the newspaper of greer how he got married when he got married to his wife and all
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in haifa and i've never heard him talk about any of this stuff and this was like in the i think it was
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i well first of all i would never comment on some aspect of a person's life like that i have no
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no understanding of it and it's it is not for me to get involved in anything like that i if even if i
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just this is part of the territory when you're trying to navigate these things in the public and
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you know it's just part of this it's just i feel like it's part of the things that you have to sort of
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put out there and question when you're put in the place of of trying to evaluate whether these people
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are legitimate or not well one thing that i always have to remind myself of is uh that this whole subject
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uh you know i've kind of referred alluded to this a few times in this conversation with you but
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it's of profound significance and so that means there are people who have a stake um on the pro side
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works in the uh if there is some sort of uh general opportunity in the intelligence community to cover up
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jim mars i loved jim mars he was a great man uh but anyway like the 90s were it was you were kind of
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me 9 11 was what put me over the top by the way 9 11 put me and i think a lot of people full on in
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there but the problem is when you think that everything is an op so that's a bit of a problem
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for me too like uh i said earlier like i almost wrote a book on false flags in the history of it so
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like there are lots of hops like they happen but when you reflexively i'm going to be careful how i
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that's ever existed it's a really dangerous solvent for the a certain amount of social cohesion we have
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but i do think what we've fallen into is i call it a kind of a post-modern trap which is when someone
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makes a claim about anything frequently from a lot of people the first thing you'll hear is oh that
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there were a lot of military insiders in the 1950s who were totally of the belief that we need to get
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for the army or the navy am i supposed to then say oh well they've got some kind of they've got an agenda to
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their information and the fact is that there are people from every part of the spectrum here in this
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in from a lot of different places it seems to me yes which is why i appreciate when people like you
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who have a pragmatic view of all of this stuff and are able to take the information from all these cases
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and sort of see where they all fit together and maybe where they don't and um provide that to
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people in a balanced way i think it's that's that's super valuable and rare i never thought of when i was
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much younger i didn't think of myself as a pragmatist by nature i didn't really know that but over the
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and ideologically driven i've got my own beliefs about all kinds of things but i also realize
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and so that was kind of good because i was able to appreciate two very radically different world views
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that each of my parents had and to understand where they were coming from and to respect where they
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world than i do that's kind of ridiculous but yeah we do it we do it all the time people on the right
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fantastic a lot of fun i enjoyed this thank you uh tell people uh where they can find your new book
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website called richardolemembers.com and um there's a paywall but there's a lot of free stuff
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there people can go uh take a look at it there's a lot of information there a great community i can't
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speak highly enough about the members of the site uh and i got my own youtube channel it's uh just
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of the jfk assassination well he was definitely killed in a conspiracy in my opinion yes i would
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definitely lay the uh most of it at the cia and uh the the deep state um i think kennedy's assassination
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you had ufos are part of that that's not right a trivial part of it not the whole thing though no
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that's what they thought here's my book i totally agree there we go the history of usos
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all of the cases i've written them all i'm happy with how they read i keep adding new cases but uh
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rip through a couple of these questions if you don't mind yeah um gladly but that's all for the
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