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the cia uh was working overtime to make sure you didn't make it down here today

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three flights canceled you ended up jumping on the pj coming down here

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to finally meet you thank you you too man we're in the age of disclosure huh we are we are it's uh

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that's the the age of disclosure the age where all this stuff comes out and uh the truth comes out in

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story i would say so you know i'm 46 and my childhood's the 80s and early 90s and grew up

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with movies like close encounters and et close encounters made the biggest impact on me i was

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fire in the sky yeah you know we're making we're getting a lot of attention and i remember uh my

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cousins and i watching watching fire in the sky uh uh late at night scared the crap out of us but

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also made us super curious about this topic and so my my whole life uh just been interested in the

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topic um these big questions like are we alone in the universe does the u.s government know more about

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this topic than the average person that's kind of the common thesis and all that pop culture i grew

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up with right close encounters et x files the one common idea is that two common ideas are yes there's

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life from elsewhere um but elements of the u.s government have been covering it up um so i've

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always wondered if that was true you know and watched every movie and tv show read every book over the

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documentary about this topic and only and like basically set the bar at only interviewing

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people who have direct knowledge of it as a result of working for the government if if elements of the

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government do in fact know more than the public the idea would be to find that out right and no one

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i was very fortunate over the last 20 years building movies uh and tv shows as a producer from the ground

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up like big commercial stuff um the biggest that people know would be ready player one yeah which

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spielberg directed um and then uh it was uh yeah it was on the set of uh ready player one

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watching steven spielberg direct and in my opinion is the greatest filmmaker that's ever lived and

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watching him direct was just unbelievably inspiring and i started i started thinking then in the back

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real the situation around this topic was and so i got connected to some senior intelligence officials

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um in that that had worked on this topic for the u.s government and um started having just private

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private conversations meals with those guys trying to understand the lay of the land and i quickly

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realized uh how real the situation actually is and and these ideas that were put in our heads when we

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were kids with movies like close encounters and et weren't far off from the truth they're they're

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there has in fact been a massive cover-up of non-human intelligent life and the government does take

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it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um

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i'm gonna make the definitive documentary on this topic that i always wish existed and this will be

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that thing that i direct to and so um it's sort of like the the origin and then um

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colleagues that i wanted to i wanted to make a film that would bring the truth out about what is

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right i wanted to make the doc that gave them a platform to to share what they lawfully could

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um and really kind of open the public's eyes to what's really been going on and uh as i started

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passed up to uh senior members of the senate intelligence committee uh the staff the members

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um same thing with the senate armed services committee and what i didn't know then that i know now

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is in that same moment um senior leadership on the senate intelligence committee and the senate

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actively gatekeeping this information and keeping it from the public they knew it was being kept from

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the congress the white house um and the public and um they were trying to figure out a way to get the

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base facts out into the public none of those politicians as elected leaders wanted to be the one guy

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out on a limb going on fox news or cnn saying these extraordinary things and being subject to the pushback

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they didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation right and so i was sort of in the

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right place at the right place at the right time and that while they were having that thought

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while i was putting together the documentary my film essentially became the plan for disclosure

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for those who had the knowledge so this this group of military government intelligence officials

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that had learned the truth about the cover-up decided my film would be the vehicle for disclosing that

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information and i spent about three and a half years putting this together um both uh learning the lay of the land

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myself and and really understanding what's real and what's not real and you know as they say uh the

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saying uh you know who's who in the zoo you know like all the all the different players and all this and

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um and then making it um doing interviews uh over the course of three years uh yeah in the beginning when

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you said you were meeting with some intelligence officials that were sort of like guiding you in the right

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publicly how many of them that those original intelligence people you were talking about were in the movie

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you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process

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of retiring from government when i met him um at the at the time he was the director of the u.s

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government's uap task force the largest whole government investigation of uap and non-human

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intelligent life right um his story is pretty amazing he's really the central figure in uh the

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uh an intelligence official named dr james lakatsky goes by jim they co-founded uh osap the investigation

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um after that um he was tasked by uh leadership and naval intelligence and um and at the dod to put

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together the largest whole of government investigation that's ever existed and that's the uap task force

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uh a member of the uap task force um yeah he was that was a big deal when he came out yeah yeah so

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he was one of the people on jay's team um was he in the film yeah he was in the film was there's some

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there's some there's some footage of him in the film yeah his his uh here no wait he didn't do any

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interviews yeah we didn't do a direct interview but but i had um i already knew i had him in the film

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through his congressional hearings where he was right saying that the most important stuff so um and i i

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liked having the uh the hearing footage in there i think it makes people there's a lot of people

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of people who watch the movie and and they they say to me they're like i had no idea those hearings

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you know putting food on the table for the kids and all those other priorities and you know maybe they

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register for everybody so so jay was there from the jump and he was sort of leading you around

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kind of like holding your hand showing you the lay of the land where to go what what tree what

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branches to shake to yeah him and him and him and him and some other people yeah in the film there was

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there was about there was about four or five guys who were really guiding me in the early days and then

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and then um once i got connected with the senate intelligence committee specifically

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um i formed a really strong relationship with the the guys who run the senate intelligence committee

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staff so most people don't know this actually it's really interesting so um the senate intelligence

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committee the members the the senators on the committee they they can kind of come and go right

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the senate at the time you know it impacts it and they might spend a senator might spend you know

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a year on it two years on it three years on it but the staffers uh they can be there for many years

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right three layers down their career long yeah they can you know like i can be working for the

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the c be a senior staff member for a decade and and the way they handle the the staff work is they

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i got introduced early on to the senate intel staff member who really owned the uap topic for the two

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chairmen which were rubio and warner warner was the was the chairman and rubio was the vice chairman of

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the senate intel committee and the staffer's job was to basically just shake all the trees every day

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and all the different intelligence agencies in the military and learn everything and be hyper aware of

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uncovering this this truth um and learning all the reality of it um so i formed i formed a

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great relationship with the the senior that senior staffer and and his colleagues and they were really

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really helpful once once rubio decided to participate in the film and other senior senators like senator rounds

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from south dakota senator gillibrand from new york from the democratic party um once they leaned in then

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the committee staff was essentially told to help make sure that this doc is the definitive doc and is

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legit from start to finish and that i don't end up interviewing the wrong person who shares

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bullshit you know um that i don't end up uh misunderstanding the lay of the land and presenting it

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you know different than than it is and so they really helped keep me keep me on the right path

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introduced me to a number of the people who did interviews in the film i feel like that would make

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talk to and who not to talk to i'm automatically the wheels in my head are going whoa well it wasn't

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telling me it was more or even like subtly suggesting yeah well a number of the very

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like indisputably legitimate people in my film were introduced to me by the senate intel committee i mean

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there's certain you know think about it like the people in my film are all they have the most credible

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knowledge of this topic as a result of work for the government they all have been discouraged from

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it would help encourage them to do it if you know they're hearing from folks on the senate intelligence

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committee that hey you know people like rubio and gillibran and rounds have decided this is the best

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slash danny jones what changed my perspective on this whole topic indefinitely was the that movie uh mirage

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just the the whole industry that is there underneath the surface whose entire purpose is to throw people

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off the scent of what's really going on like the fact that this guy was living in new mexico or nevada

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seeing these objects flying around and getting obsessed with them the fact that they had like a

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whole group of people from the nsa and from the air force whose job was to convince this guy that

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were testing drove the guy crazy put installed nsa next door to him to beam into his house because he

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like the 60s i think 70s maybe they knew that mufon had been penetrated by the soviets because the

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air force bases and our war weapon technology all that kind of stuff during the cold war so they're like

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and move on and that's going to get that's going to poison the well he's going to be a con a conduit

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of disinfo for the soviet spies we're trying to get information on us the guy ended up going to

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i i learned about all that as well and i originally had the same reaction as you but then

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you know you got to realize the role that that storyline plays in a bigger picture right why is

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it that elements of the intelligence committee not the intelligence committee of the intelligence

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community um would make up a story like that to try to have it end up as you said received by the

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russians as real right right because the answer is because there is in fact a high-stakes secret

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cold war race playing out and there has been since the 40s regarding non-human technology

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situation is real doesn't mean the bigger picture isn't you know there's actually i've been told

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from my most senior relationships inside of military government and the intelligence community that a

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couple and i'm not going to say who but a couple of the more the uh the whistle quote unquote not

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they're not whistleblowers a couple of the people who have come out in in a big way in the public to

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um have this it's the same backstory you know they they did they did experience that but it was staged for

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them because um at the time there was a there was a in those in those situations there was either a

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this public spectacle like like the paul thing um so look i think the reality of it is uh everyone i

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interviewed despite their political and ideological differences all told me the same thing they all made

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it super clear that the existence of non-human intelligent life has been getting covered up

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since since the 40s there are these elements within the u.s government within various agencies within the

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air force and the doe and some private contractors who have been gatekeeping this and covering it up

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for years and keeping it from the public and you know the movie i'm proud to say uh has made a big

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all this and then the people who had already realized it um are are are taking that new interest

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that you know and um in the in the weeks since uh his two of his cabinet members pete exit the secretary

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of war and tulsi gabbert the director of national intelligence have been basically going going through

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the process of of trying to identify what evidence exists that can safely be declassified and shared with

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the american public without becoming a threat to national security and what i've been told through my

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relationships is that they are receiving a lot of pushback from the folks who have gatekept this

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despite the fact that there's a presidential directive they're still getting blocked from

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getting to this very real evidence that exists yeah the idea is that and correct me if i'm wrong but

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what i got from the documentary was in the 40s after roswell all this stuff got sucked up into private

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top level positions over the decades and now the new people that come in don't even get briefed on this

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is being controlled by the private sector and even like top tier generals can't even get access to it

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in the government so the government there's like the secret war between the u.s government and private

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a lot of control over the situation right now but there's still elements of for example the cia and

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the air force and the department of energy like career bureaucrats within those those organizations that are

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very much involved with the defense contractors but you know in my film rubio breaks down how

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you know the only option the government has the government doesn't have a room full of engineers

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you know the dod um and so you know he explained how you know you you you give that technology to

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a defense contractor and then and then as you said um over the years they keep working at it they stay

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constant the government overseer you know retires or dies or you know changes and then the next guy

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knows a little bit about the program but doesn't know everything and then the guy after that um doesn't

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even know the program exists but the the defense contractors still chugging along and so you get

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to this point where um the defense contractors hold a lot of the cards and um at the same time though

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within the cia the air force and the department of energy that are very much involved in this and so

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um everyone in my film that talked about this this this hidden program uh referred to as the

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congressional oversight when it started in the 40s and so the tug of war really is elected officials

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and they're appointed officials like the secretary of war and director of national intelligence

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trying to wrestle this information out of these career bureaucrats and the defense contractors

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and it's a complicated situation as the film shows it's not it's not a black and white situation

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it's not like and the craziest part about all that is the united states is probably the only country that

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that's happening in because all the other countries the government just controls everything there are

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no private contractors yeah which also you know leads to one of the other really important takeaways

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for me from my interviews and in the film which is you know rubio also expresses this really clearly

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which is the the concern that if we don't take this more seriously as a nation and make the

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to our adversaries because our adversaries don't need the public to decide it's important they can just

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tell them it's important like she can just take the smartest scientists in china and say you're going

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to work on this right you know they don't yeah who can do the same thing and so it's hard to simply put

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uh you know the analogy i often heard was the space race analogy would we have won the space race if

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kennedy didn't step to the microphone and give that big famous speech at rice university and say we're

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going to get to the moon here's why it's important here's why it's important we win this race he he

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articulated it in a way that the same kind of way you would articulate the importance of this topic

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whether it's used for good or bad and that's why it was important that the he felt it was important that

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the us lead in in this new frontier so we can make sure that it's used for the betterment of all mankind

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and not to create another sea of war that was his whole like thesis right right and then the country

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rallied behind him and scientific community rallied behind him and then you know we won the space race

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so a number of the people i interviewed made the point of you know their their opinion is that we

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need that sort of like level set with the american public and that sort of like you know mission made

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the united states china and russia about disclosure like do you think there's any like super deep

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interviewed um told me this isn't something we got into in the film but um multiple people told me that

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that in the past there was information sharing between china and the us excuse me sorry russia and

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the us not china russia and the us right and that that apparently broke down about 15 years ago

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strategizing but many people told me about um information sharing um back in the day between

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the us and russia and and they they always they always gave the same examples they they basically

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both leaders of both nations that they needed to make the other aware so that no one misinterpreted a uap

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right as an attack right and they were happening all over the place not just in the us they're

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happening in russia yeah uk yeah all over the place yeah what do you think have you has anyone ever

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that but i think about it all the time you know i i sometimes wonder you know is there like some deep

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level of like you know the bankers that run the world or whatever that are that know about this

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stuff the people that are above the presidents you know well look president trump just didn't he just

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announced recently that he's he's gonna meet with she four times over the next 12 months something

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yeah you know i but i just i'm skeptical that trump has any power to do that i'm skeptical that the

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president any any politicians in the united states have that kind of power i think there's a i think

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there's a a change happening here i think the current administration is really actively trying to

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get their hands on the reins of the situation yeah whereas every other administration has been

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people that you tried to get on the on your movie that were hesitant because of fear of any sort of

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they because they were either you know senior in the military or in the government and and just

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what they know um the one that always stays in my head is uh is a uh someone who's um part of the

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if he participated in the film and i always thought the use of the word forfeiting was very specific and

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forces guy yeah and and it almost the vibe i got when i first heard that was it was it was the kind

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point also of telling everyone i talked to um it's just the truth i would say hey i don't want to know

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classified don't tell me anything i as a you know just a member of the public shouldn't shouldn't know

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of information that people have on this topic from their work for the us government that they can

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you know and that stuff's fascinating enough um it also does beg the question though of like what's

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on the other side of that line because what what's revealed in my film is shocking you know people

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know non-human bodies being in these crashes and um talking about the extent of the cover-up uh it's

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the other side of that line you know like if if this is what they can lawfully share what's the stuff

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thinking of what the possibilities are yeah so after everything what is your high high level 30 000

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multiple multiple forms of intelligent life from multiple origins and you know essentially the universe

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is full of life and so extraterrestrials i think i think i think all things are on the table i think it

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that sounds uh could be one of the other possibilities of origin um there's also the possibility of

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there being other intelligent life that's been here all along and that earth has been the home to

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from you know home for to the beginning since the future humans uh human time travelers i i i guess i

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guess it's it'd be foolish at this point to take anything off the table you know yeah but um

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you know one of the most interesting things to me about the the grays that you see in close

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encounters and in all the media lore is that they're they're bipedal upright walking hominids

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water world with no land what are the chances it's going to evolve to be so similar to us

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i mean i'm not smart enough to know the answer but i'm sure it's not i mean i've talked to

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underwater bases just he's casually walking down the street yeah they're underwater bases they're down

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this issue the him and some of his colleagues in in on the house side of congress that are really on

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about it uh how does he know that multiple leaders um in the navy in the u.s navy you know

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at impossible speeds under the water past our submarines and um so much so that they tim gallaudet

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tim's one of those people yeah um so much so that they they're they're making the logical conclusion

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said was going like 500 miles per hour under the ocean or something insane it's crazy yeah it's

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absolutely crazy i mean look the reason why jay stratton was the one who changed um using but you

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know he's the reason we no longer use the word ufo right because that's son of a

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phenomena became the the the catch-all yeah for ufo better though yeah ufo is catchy but here's the

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take it serious right and and and and sort of uh changing the optics helped help the conversation

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yeah uap is like the suit and tie version of it yeah the suit and tie version yeah that's another wild

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thing that came out of my interviews um a number of the officials including a senior cia official uh

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jim semivan um talked about how the program that that has gate kept this the legacy program that is

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gate kept this since the 40s they created the stigma around this topic in the late 40s early 50s

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want to look into it no real journalists will want to go look into it if the media is not paying

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attention to it then the public's not paying attention it's kind of it's kind of genius but

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but the problem is it got compounded over the years by you know multiple generations and then it got to

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the point where you know the average person just thought it was a you know it's like talking about big

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foot you know it's ridiculous and um and the average scientist didn't think it was real and so the

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of the stigma so big a big mission for people in my film when when i talk to them you know off camera

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about why why what was driving them to want to participate in the film one of the big reasons

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simply understand that it's a real situation that it's a valid area of inquiry and um yeah this the

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stigma you know and the stigma led to you know jay stratton talks in the film about how uh when you try to

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raise you know this issue up the flagpole within the government right um he was constantly faced

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with the stigma and then the people who've been covering this up have weaponized the stigma you

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know if uh for so many stories of high level navy fighter pilots who see something in the air that's

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indisputably not from here and before they can make an official report somebody from the legacy program

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hey where are we going to send the tinfoil hats you know like how right you know what's going to be

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jacobson's book area 51 where she explains how uh when the cia first started test flying their first

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jet propelled airplanes in i forget what year it was super early uh they would send the cia test

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pilots up with gorilla masks in the cockpits so in the case they got into visual distance with a

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commercial aircraft they'd wear their gorilla mask wow so if someone they tried to go to the bar later

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like throwing a curveball into the story that's crazy yeah dude that's wild yeah so imagine man

[0:42:15 - 0:42:22] ▶

imagine if that was that was probably what the 40s they were doing doing that 60s imagine what they're

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so you talk in the movie you hear about the legacy program you hear other people talk about the legacy

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program on the internet it sounds like this big model how people talk about the cia oh yeah how the cia

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is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the

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cia doesn't necessarily know about this you know the director of the cia it's a political political

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point they're there for they could be there for four years you know eight years whatever the cia is

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thousands and thousands of employees yeah and so someone reveals in my film that it's the head of

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science and technology at the cia that controls this topic it's one person who could be there for a long

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time and there's there's career bureaucrats at um within the air force and within the department of

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energy uh that really run the legacy program's interest in this that's my understanding of the

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situation from all my interviews uh it's not but my what i'm saying is like is the legacy program

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so it's all kinds of things multiple companies all working together is the best all working together

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yeah not competing no so from from you know what i what what the big takeaway was from all my interviews

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is that the cia acts as the quarterback of all this the cia acts as the operational command

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so sits at the top of the the org chart and then the air force is used for operations so they have the

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airplanes and they have the warehouses the the hangars they can they can do the retrievals right and then

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the defense contractors are used for reverse engineering they are only given um you know certain

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technology and tasked with certain you know reverse engineering work and then the department of energy

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um is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on um technology

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own own the space of anything related to nuclear technology and a lot of the uap activity is at sites

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involved in the nuclear process ranging from nuclear weapons sites to uranium mines to you know processing

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secret uh that they get to you know use the classification system that was designed for anything nuclear

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right so the classification system that they go by is like outside of the intelligence community's

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no one from any of the defense contractors would would uh would participate did you talk sorry i did i

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talked to a couple people that used to work for some of the key players on the defense contracting

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side they would not go on camera but they helped inform me of the the lay of the land gave me give me

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my cell phone at home and yeah really yeah no way with the defense contractors yeah yeah no way of uh

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cell phones can be tracked did you talk to any of the cia science and technology folks no did you try to

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i didn't because um a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that uh those folks you know

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know slam the door on even them when they were inside of government you know so um

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you know jay jay stratton when he was running the uap task force uh he figured out who the key

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gatekeeper was at the cia and um he went to go to talk to him literally knocked on his door and uh

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literally had the door slammed in his face wow yeah and another crazy thing is a lot of these people

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the private sector like one of the most recent directors of science and technology for like

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seven or ten years now works at the mitre corporation so there's this adult revolving door

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with the cia and these giant private contractors yeah yeah and they know the contractors know that

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corruption you know it's a flawed system so and then the other question is how do these where are

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they getting all the money to do this stuff well you know as as dave grush testified to congress about

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and as a number of the officials in my film say um there's been a misappropriation of funds you know

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been told that there's a lot of um uh off book funding from the public sector uh wealthy just wealthy

[0:48:39 - 0:48:47] ▶

people who uh are providing funding for certain uh technology uh reverse engineering work the hopes that

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they'll get some they'll they'll get the benefit down the line from some techno technological breakthrough

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that's been gleamed you know um it's a lot of money out there in the world you know um

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and look the thing you know people will take one of the things people take away from the movie

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um some of these people you know likely if you you know if you if you put a gun to the head of people

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with in the cia that have touched this over the years likely they would honestly say that they think

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they're doing the right thing you know that they think yeah sure we are in a uh we are in a technology

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race with adversaries and so um the best course of action ultimately is to not share with the public

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um but i do think the same time that we've gotten to a place where we would benefit from the basic facts

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being known i do not think that a president or any leader of our country should step to the microphone

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we're in a race with adversaries but i think the base facts that we're not alone in the universe

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that the us government has in fact retrieved technology of non-human origin that adversaries

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what i think it will do is i think it will motivate the scientific community and private industry and

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breakthroughs that we wouldn't otherwise get to yeah and then you have the whole conflict with like

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the energy like if we can cut if we have this ability to have free clean energy around the world and

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it's been it's been covered up and hidden for this long this is going to disrupt the whole petroleum

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industry which is like you know the whole world is propped up on oil right so we've been hiding free

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energy but the energy source thing goes back to my point where i think some of these some of these

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people involved in gatekeeping this yeah that it's the it's the race we're in with adversaries that

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they worry about so if you look at the the technology it these crafts are it's revealed in my film how

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they're warping space time in a localized area they're creating um with the scientists in my film

[0:52:03 - 0:52:08] ▶

uh described as a bubble around the craft and that separates the craft from the environment around

[0:52:08 - 0:52:14] ▶

film he did he did describes yeah it allowed it allows the craft to operate in a way that looks like

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physics as we understand it yeah it's just in its own space time yeah um but the reason i just went

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down the road is the the point is yes that could if we figure that out if it becomes known to mankind

[0:52:36 - 0:52:41] ▶

this technology exists and that it has been cracked yes it could as you said solve the energy crisis in

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theory it could revolutionize the way we live but the people who have been you know gatekeeping this

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destruction in the blink of an eye and that's a terrifying thought and so see how it's it's not black it's not a black

[0:52:59 - 0:53:05] ▶

or white situation yes it could solve the energy crisis but you know a bad actor in his garage could

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know again the people who have been involved in this would say that's the only reason you need to just

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some of the people that are on the boards of these private industry companies also like own a huge stake in

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going to keep a secret for as long as i can and hold the gun to the head of every government around

[0:53:39 - 0:53:44] ▶

the world knowing that if i wanted to i could like it seems like this stuff there's a lot of weaponized

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it could be more powerful than every military around the world and every government combined

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to be a nation state to have the means to build nuclear weapons if the if this technology and the

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you could yeah or do you want this ending up in the hands of like terrorists like you know imagine

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close encounters and et and interest in this would like to know the truth and and and learn about it all

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have um i mean just look at the boeing shit with the boeing whistleblowers with the whole boeing lawsuit

[0:55:01 - 0:55:07] ▶

of congress or give their testimony just like you know killing themselves by shooting themselves in the

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one of the most interesting people i've ever met too is hal pudoff dr hal pudoff um he's a senior

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and all sorts of other things yeah and you know we've had a lot of conversations like the one we're

[0:57:04 - 0:57:09] ▶

having now about you know the pros and cons of disclosure and why it's such a complicated situation

[0:57:09 - 0:57:14] ▶

he ultimately comes out thinking that we need to make it a humanitarian issue in the same way that

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to just come together on on a plan for how to use this for good and to safeguard the public from

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would be stopped so by who the government it's illegal to build nuclear weapons yeah but you think

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they could think the government could really stop them if four-star generals can't get access to the

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his outlook is that um because this technology could be so revolutionary to the way we live and because um

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the truth about all this could could could in in theory unite humanity it could make it could make

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because there's potential for all this positive outcome he thinks that the best thing is to do

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a level set with the public and make this a humanitarian issue where we figure out as a whole

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how to deal with it um now look that might just not be in the cards that might not be possible the dynamics

[0:59:04 - 0:59:11] ▶

might not the dynamics between us and our adversaries might not allow for that but it's um it's certainly

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um in my opinion the most interesting time to be alive because some some some amount of the truth

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know um and also why haven't we seen do they plan on using any of this stuff on the battlefield

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in the intelligence community that's in my film um told me that um

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um when when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program

[1:00:05 - 1:00:14] ▶

he asked them straight up um would we break this technology out uh on the battlefield to you know

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win a war or prevent a war and uh the answer quickly was no that we would not we would not show this card

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uh unless it was to prevent nuclear destruction like the last like a like a last last

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the last thing the last card that we played basically um and the idea being that the reason being once

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you're you're opening this giant can of worms and you're telling the public we got this and

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idea of how they could weaponize it uh yeah i mean if you you know as described in the film you know you

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uh you know a weapon of mass destruction anything so like the way you the way you could use it is i

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if you can travel great distances in the blink of an eye then

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topic like where where would you come out and when you when you start talking about the ways that this

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technology can be used you know for bad but then you know solve the energy crisis sounds awesome right

[1:01:55 - 1:02:00] ▶

ultimately there's probably so many layers above this and above the so many layers above not only the

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politicians and the cia but above that you have like this this decentralized mafia layer and banking

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and control everything that happens and that just like work behind the curtain and um it's hard to

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be optimistic that like humanity can rise up and overthrow that you know especially with the like all this

[1:02:50 - 1:02:57] ▶

epstein stuff that's come out that like basically shows how these people work behind the scenes and that

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at least now the ufo topic in general i don't think it's stigmatized anymore it's completely out of the bag

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that's a completely normal thing for everyone to talk about right yeah i actually think that's the

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thing i'm most proud of uh with my film with the edge of disclosure is i really think it puts the nail

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in the coffin for the stigma we all know everybody knows ufos are real you can't watch that film and

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and not be like okay this is a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent so what's the next level

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of that you know like where where does that move to next the the thing is when there is this gap in

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in the intelligence and military communities that all have different views on this stuff like there's

[1:04:19 - 1:04:25] ▶

people that are in the military and in intelligence and in higher levels of government who think that

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don't give when the when the people in charge don't give a definitive analysis yeah they just sort

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of like here's this crazy do with it what you will that's why i really do think we need the equivalent

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have our adversaries and our allies and there is this race and we need to win this race for the following

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guessing game of what it is and just make it a real thing for people um the reason i think this the

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the space race analogy is so great too is like think about it like there's probably a lot of people

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at that time you know throughout the country that the idea like if you were to go up to them prior to

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kennedy's speech and say you know the moon the thing up in the sky there we're gonna go there

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they would laugh at you and be like that sounds crazy you know like in the context of that time

[1:05:38 - 1:05:42] ▶

it probably sounds crazy right right but then a president you know and other leaders in the country

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it so i think like that that's sort of a level set with the american public is i think what we're gonna

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possibilities um the you know interdimensional extraterrestrial um ultra terrestrial uh yeah

[1:06:24 - 1:06:33] ▶

long time ago broke off the human family tree um you know there's so much of our our planet that we

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haven't explored probably you know yeah we've explored more of the surface of mars than we have

[1:06:46 - 1:06:50] ▶

under under the ice in arcan we'd have no idea we're we're in a little bubble you know i mean it

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their technology because it could destroy the world right you're like hmm all right very familiar story

[1:07:39 - 1:07:44] ▶

yeah um so you know look there's a lot of possibilities the the only thing that's certain

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is that um you know a number of people my film know as a fact from their from their work with the

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and um you know the other thing is you know they say people say it in my film but uh

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there there is indisputable video evidence that exists it's just classified so you know the best we

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um but the best we can get now is people who have great reputations putting their credibility on the

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the best we can get now yeah until they can leave until that information can legally be those videos

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and photos can legally be shared well the best you can get is someone credible putting their rep on the

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things have the certainly have the ability to uh make themselves visible or not at will you know i think

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one of the interesting things uh you and rogan were talking about on his podcast which was a great analogy i

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thought um how taking a photo of fish under the water the water basically like warps and occludes and

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blurs out the fish you can barely see it because there's this layer yeah right of elements between

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you and the fish yes and like the same thing with these ufos like if they're creating some sort of a

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like essentially cloakable yeah so people always say you know the the average person always says well if

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got a 4k camera in their pocket yeah everyone has a 4k camera in their pocket but it's the same reason

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why everyone with a 4k camera in their pocket can't get clear video of fish under the ocean from above

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the ocean it's not possible you know right if you're if you if if you know the koi pond uh analogy if you

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if you stand above a koi pond and you see the fish down there with your your naked eye and you take out your

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through a barrier you know a different medium there's the the top of the water you know you're

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above the water they're they're below the water line exactly and and so it's the same thing here if

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you try video filming these things um from outside the bubble that they've created the bubble around

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you're never going to get anything more than the kind of footage we get now right um but at the same

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when the bubble is turned off where you can see clear as day the craft and that's the stuff that

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people my film have seen and go on the record saying exists um it's very clear cut uh indisputable i've

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heard from folks that i've had on this podcast who are like the most tapped in dorkiest ufo dorks

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ever okay who really study this stuff uh that out of all the agencies

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mm-hmm that look at the ufo topic the one that knows the most about everything is the navy and the

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under there's there's this pro um this agency called the i think it's the u in r or nro something it's

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like the underwater nro like the national reconnaissance office of the ocean and like

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if we see so many of these things coming out of the oceans all the time and we have i mean

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historical evidence back into like the beginning of written history of these things coming out of

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the ocean like what have these nuclear submarine pilots seen or like detected on their radars i

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the navy knows a lot for sure um you know jay stratton who ran the uap task force and who co-created

[1:12:30 - 1:12:39] ▶

when they say that despite the navy having learned a lot they are still um boxed out by the legacy program

[1:12:54 - 1:13:04] ▶

much more under the water look i was just to guess yeah i would guess there'd be so much more because

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they're catching on sonar they're grabbing that data for right the the the the um

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somewhere in like the north atlantic or whatever of like an incoming something really fast like the

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duck inside this metal tube in the middle of the ocean yeah i mean think back to you know for rough

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like sardine can at the bottom right it's terrifying right right terrifying it makes me it makes me you

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know whenever we talk about the under the water activity it makes me think that maybe maybe james

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cameron was ahead of his time and yeah you know on to something um yeah the water stuff spooky

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abyss the abyss makes you rethink this you know um it is spooky the the people i've spoken to who

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mean i've you know for example that um in my film one of the one of the interview subjects

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was a air force security guard at vanderburg air force base on the california coast i live in

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goes on the record on camera for the first time saying that he personally witnessed he was standing

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can't remember off the top of my head it was either three or six but they saw a light approaching from

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the pacific ocean going towards the base at first they thought it was an airplane like heading towards

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the base which also concerned them but that's what they thought it was at first and then as it got

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closer like the size just completely changed and all of a sudden they saw a and the light went away and all of

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a sudden they saw a matte black giant object the size of a football field they scrapped as like to

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the left and to the right of their their jesus their eye line and he said that it slowed almost to a stop

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when it came above the base and then it kind of hovered above them for for i can't remember whether

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you know visible means of propulsion it was just there this giant um rectangular object the size of

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a football field uh and then he said it took up took off thousands of miles an hour up the coast and um

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you know there was also the guy bob jacobs who bob jacobs is in the film he talked about they were

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interviewed in the film as well he was a he was a cameraman for the air force his job was to film

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and how did they use nukes to try to like bait the ufos in yeah so that's one of the really fascinating

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covering this up in the legacy program and in other you know areas like the navy uh they they they

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the same time i think um my understanding is that adversarial nations have done this and do this so that

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of my relationships in the government right now that um some of the intelligence officials

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directive some of them learned that various agencies and branches of the military had been

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luring these things in in the past and that they had figured out how to do that and these intelligence

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saw with their own eyes uap um i was told this in confidence uh by a couple people within the last

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podcast i think last week a few days ago um that he had heard the same thing

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uh so so it was some of the intelligence officials

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tasked by a member of the current cabinet to uncover evidence that can be declassified trump gives a

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burleson saying it on a podcast recently yeah within the last couple weeks wow and then it was three or four

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how they actually how they actually did it and the people people i've talked to i'm sure you know such as

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drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so

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about his journey down this rabbit hole uh over the investigating uap and non-human intelligent life for

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for 16 years and he goes into a lot of detail on this stuff and the learnings that you know he and

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mention or anyone ever mentioned any of the psionic stuff no no i've read i've seen i've you know like

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me about that never heard anything about that what have you found to be the most interesting about it

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uh there was a guy michael herrera who was one of the whistleblowers who came out i forget how long

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ago it was i want to say the 90s maybe i could be wrong could be in the 2000s um who said that he was

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working in the military somewhere in the remote jungles of indonesia or something yeah i remember

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indoctrinated into western society into the technological world that we live in here people

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consciously control the ufos wow sounds crazy there was a guy that jesse michaels had in his podcast who

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there as like counter intel to like find out who was spilling the secrets and then when he heard michael

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was doing that i was one of the guys that he saw and then i guess his story was like that like

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made him want to tell his story and like switch teams um but and then that's like the whole

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that particular event in the jungle other than what you know i've read on my once michael started sharing

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that but um i have heard about um i have heard that there are people who have the ability to

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communicate um using the power of their mind and i i i know that probably is like the most wacky

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of um there's a bunch of really uh grounded not a bunch that's the stupidest way to say it there's

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out of the uap topic for a second so stargate it's a real program that really existed there is so much

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evidence of it uh that's been declassified uh dr hal putoff who's in my film who's very involved in the

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government funded the cia and darpa and the department of defense funded that for years

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um saying that they the military actually acted on intelligence that the remote viewers gave

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the craziest leap um to go from accepting that remote viewing is a real thing even though it's hard to

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there are people who have told me that that is a thing that that there are people who have the

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about a lot of stuff that i think to the average person just sounds completely bananas and extraordinary

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it's always worth you know it's always worth saying like for me when you know when making the age of

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and who actually had direct knowledge of the stuff as a result of working for the government because i

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feel like my personal opinion and i'm sure a lot of your listeners feel the same short of indisputable

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you know short of that level of in your face evidence the best we can really hope for is extremely

[1:30:01 - 1:30:10] ▶

credible people putting their reputation on the line to share what they can that's really what it

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comes down to like that is that's the best we can hope for short of that that dream scenario right

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right um and so you know that that is that is sort of the bar i've always held like you know i i put

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we alluded to this uh briefly earlier but how these people can i just now thought of this for the

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um within the department of defense or or the cia and you retire you're collecting your pension as a

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government worker um the way the the what a lot of them do after they retire from government work they

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go in the work in the private sector they work for a big defense contractor or you know or they work for

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uh you know a big uh pharmaceutical company uh and one of the requirements for those jobs after is that

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whatever whatever classified projects those private companies are doing for elements of the government

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right yes and if you if if if you piss off the wrong people or you start making things up and look crazy

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you know when i interviewed rubio he was vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee

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he got escalated to the second most powerful guy in the world our secretary of state interest

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has been the national security advisor and the secretary of state at the same time was henry kissinger

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um number of the people in my film are are actively working uh in the private sector using their their

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clearances really yeah the number of them dozens of them actually and um you know none of them have been

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you know laughed out of the rumor called crazy or had their reps ruined because they really stuck to

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that james clapper the interview he did was him attempting to come clean with the american public

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in the only way he could that's what i think i think he's a guy who's in his 80s he's been at the

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highest levels of the intelligence community for decades he was the head of air force intelligence

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he was um the director of national intelligence yeah he's been the head of multiple other intelligence

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for those who haven't seen the film on camera james clapper confirms that uap activity over area 51

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and he confirmed that despite the air force saying they have not had any investigation of uap

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since the closure of project blue book he says when he was the head of air force intelligence

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they did in fact have a program to actively investigate uap so he unveiled the air force's

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actual role in all this their hidden role and he i think did a big service to the public and to

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squashing the stigma by acknowledging that uap activity over area 51 is real because i think for

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most people around the world the idea of uap and area 15 the mysteries around area 51 they've been

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and i think here here here was a guy putting his credibility on the line late in life to say that

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where he just he want he wanted to uh he wanted to sort of like uh give give that to the public and you

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you know stuff there's the whole thing with lying to congress yeah there's this whole whole biden

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security council members all were coming out of the shadows to speak up about what they could legally

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why why would he participate and say the things he said have you played that out have you thought

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would make it no no especially when you add in context that like i alone would have like the the

[1:37:23 - 1:37:28] ▶

people watching my film wouldn't have his wife was in the hospital dying like in her in her final weeks

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he had been sitting by her bedside every day he took a couple hours off to come straight from the

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hospital to do this and then went back to the hospital like you know and he told me i actually

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said when i when i when when i learned like a day before that that was the circumstances he was dealing

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with personally i reached out and said hey you know if it's not the right time in life it's it's it's all

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easier to go down the conspiratorial route of you know the people people making up stories if it was

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like a few people but i interviewed 34 people on camera 30 34 senior members of the military government

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in mind some of that stuff the history of these people you know because even if somebody is a

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military general and at the top of the food chain of the american government or intelligence organization

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doesn't always mean in fact almost never means they're going to tell you the truth

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and um you know it is important to know that this guy literally lied to congress and said that the nsa

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was not spying on american citizens two months before snowden leaf the nsa documents proving that they

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were spying on american citizens yeah look i do think that you know if he had lied in the past

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i'm gonna i'm gonna do the right thing this this time and i'm gonna share that this is a real situation

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right if you study his body language in the doc that's that's the impression i get

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he's getting up there in age man you know a lot of these people are look at his face in the film

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when he i did i did after he says the area 51 line you could tell there was other people in the room

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you know what what would be what would be the the narrative if all 34 people in this film

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there were they're all saying the same thing and all sharing information they have personally learned

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what would be what would be the alternative to the truth yeah i mean i would personally just be

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narrative to the american public you know a specific narrative um you know who knows you know who knows

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on since the 40s when they when roswell happened and they want to convince them they've learned what

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is they want to throw people off the scent you know back to the whole paul bennewitt story but on a

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you play that out and then where you land is elements of the u.s government cracked a new energy source

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in the 40s and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country right and um

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make money you know if someone had cracked a new energy source in the 40s i think they would have used

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it to become the most valuable company on the planet none of the defense contractors are even in the top

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hundred most valuable companies in america much less the world really yeah yeah not northrop and

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yeah it's not even on the same what about like palantir i mean all yeah these they're big don't get me

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wrong they're big business yeah but they're not they're not the most valuable companies on earth

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of the ais like compare the um just do the gdp of the top five or top ten united states uh military

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what would be the other industry that could that could compete with that you think i mean

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if you're just looking at market cap just just just just just ask just ask gpt if uh if any of the

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major defense contractors um are in the top ten corporations yeah that's cap wise i don't think the

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with that but so if look if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s my point is i think

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they would have used it to make a fortune if they were a private company if they were the government

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no i don't understand any upside to that technology being completely hidden since the 40s that doesn't

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not in the top 10 most valuable companies globally by market capitalization as of 2016 while firms like

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we've had since the 40s i call how many people do you think oh wait here's the other point yeah

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of energy wouldn't we have won it use it to win world war ii right what about the tic tac stuff

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a number of the people involved in first off jay stratton ran the investigation of the tic tac for

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the government like he actually wrote the actual the actual official report on it he's the one who

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actually went and investigated it and um completely came to the conclusion that it was not man-made like

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tried to you know assign it to some you know hidden program of ours and hoped that would be the case

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you know wanted to be able to explain it right and and couldn't and that's the guy who would have had

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the job of knowing so prior to investigating uap and non-human intelligent line for the government

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he was the head of air and space warfare for the defense intelligence agency his literal job was to

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20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the

[1:47:05 - 1:47:13] ▶

analogy for him you know we talked about hunt for october earlier the analogy is like remember hunt for

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october alec baldwin is an analyst at the cia and his specialty is knowing everything about russia's

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nuclear submarine program and and everything about the leadership of that program like he is that's his

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about this one thing right so much so that in the movie uh when james earl jones the head of the cia

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who do they go and ask you know they ask baldwin and he knows what it is he knows who the commander

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mm-hmm people like that exist within the intelligence community that have these specific lanes that they

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does and so they asked him you know please tell us this is one of ours he had been read in on all the black

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same guy runs the investigation of the tic tac and there's just no way we didn't we didn't have that

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technology right i believe i i think i'm i'm of the belief that it's multiple things going on i'm sure

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the i saw the uh you know the conspiracy theory online somebody somebody claimed that that was

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from sea level to 80 000 feet which is what the tic tac did that's when you get into space 80 000 feet

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right if they had technology that could go from sea level to space in like the blink of an eye and then

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do that all afternoon they they would be the most valuable company on the planet right now

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20 years later yes it is impossible to accept the idea that they cracked that technology if they're

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publicly public they're not even in the top 100 market cap in the united states much less the world

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handful of defense contractors who were close to it too or doing the same stuff it doesn't even matter

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you'd be you'd be sitting on the biggest technological breakthrough in the history of humanity

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or nobody knows what you really have except for a very small group of people where's the value so in

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this conspiracy theory the only way there would be any merit to it is if there was leadership in the

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2004 and no one in the government knew it why would they keep it classified

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government overseers that knew they had it if if there was no government overseers and they were the

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wouldn't be classified they would monetize it they become the wealthiest company in the history of

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the world overnight yeah i'm not sure about that though 100 dude i'm not sure that they would want

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that was like how change it would change the way that modern physics is known and if it's been

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getting siloed and kept secret since the 50s or the 40s first off lucky martin wasn't even around then

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no you know right they bought up smaller companies over the years yeah companies a lot of the companies

[1:52:19 - 1:52:25] ▶

that they bought were involved in the legacy program early on i've been told same with northrop grumman

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yeah um but let me put it to you this way it's just not realistic if i'm if we're the american

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government me and you run the american government and we do have this technology we do have this

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that line of thought if that was the case then if that was the case and it led to in 2004

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you know a private contractor on behalf of the government reverse engineer this technology and

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create something like the tic tac right if that was the case then that means government overseers

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and not be at least in the top 10 market cap by the way i own lockheed martin stock it'd be amazing

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i i look i think they and you know you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know who the biggest

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defense contractors are in the us right i think i think those are the companies that our military

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relies on and our government relies on to try to uh build the most you know advanced beyond next

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generation technology and i think that they have been involved and utilized in the legacy programs

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that they made all this stuff from the beginning i just it just seems do you think they have any

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technology that's secret that nobody in the public knows about yeah for sure for sure and i think they

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this was all these giant craft that military people see that that fly past that right that the move

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light size of football stadiums coming out of the water it's crazy that wasn't locked yeah yeah exactly

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and but don't get me wrong i don't want to like confuse the listeners it's i do think that there are

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and they're both making progress yeah i think um you know in the film until those officials refer

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to it as the manhattan project on steroids i think that's real um hal putoff says on on camera he throws

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he slides it into one of the interview pieces that i don't i don't know if enough people picked up on

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this but he he he says you know some of the uap activity we see might actually be a result of our

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there's a there's a lot of these like little nuggets that people might film or trying to share with the

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exist but the tic tac was a long time ago man it was a couple couple decades ago and yeah i don't

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i do not think that we we cracked that kind of technology back then one of the scientists in

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the film eric davis um he says the exact uh number i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try to uh quote it because

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i don't remember exactly what he said but he says he makes an analogy for the amount of energy that would

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was like the entire energy output of the entire continental united states times 100 or something

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the ability to harness that much energy to localize an area above the ocean 20 years ago you know well

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there was a lot of anti-gravity research going on in the united states specifically around the

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university of north carolina chapel hill in the 50s lots of physicists were like on the cusp and and

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went dark like just completely stopped doing their research and all the research went underground yeah

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projects in the 50s who knows what they could have figured out by now certainly some i'm sorry it's

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you take like um you know all the missing money in the u.s government where rumsfeld said right before

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9 11 is there was like what four trillion dollars that had gone missing off the books yeah i think at

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something yeah 20 something trillion i do think that we might find out down the line that a lot

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what grush was tracking right yeah and and look the other thing that's worth saying is you know we just

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you know numerous people i interviewed alluded to their their their coming to the conclusion that

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um consciousness and remote viewing yeah and um one of the more interesting stories i want to circle back

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and um he ended up on a mission in the middle east and came back and he had an illness and long very

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was somewhere else and at first he and his wife uh just simply thought he was losing his mind from the brain surgery

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and uh that friend of his connected him with someone who used to work for the cia who knows a lot about

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the former cia official said uh why don't you talk to your parents and ask them if anything happened

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told his parents about it the mother reminds him starts jogging his memory that uh the day after this event

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and the mom apparently said uh you know leave my kid alone he's his kid but the dad took him into

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the backyard with these two air force guys and and they talked for a while and that was like the last

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the mom had heard of it so she's like jogging scott's memory and then um after that it sent him down

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um long story short he found a collection of files that his father had and it was broken down by the

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was his medical records and his education records and then shockingly he found enlistment paperwork in the

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schuster is the publisher and um i don't know when it's going to be complete or when it's going to come

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of time with them and it is just the most bombshell singular story i've ever heard in my life and um

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not only did he find enlistment paperwork uh in the u.s air force but he also found his discharge

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paperwork and the service code on there when he looked it up was space communications intelligence

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and the base he was assigned to was the old um space command base at that time yeah and then uh he

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doesn't remember any of it the school when he contacted school the the school's records were missing

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caused him to forget all this then the brain surgery brought all these memories back um and then just

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to skip to sort of like the end of the story um when he started socializing this to some of his high

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it's a it's a remarkable story and and and likely it'll it'll lead to uh us all learning about a a part of our past that's been hidden and and and these biological you know the the the uap encounter he had maybe

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i guess there's two ways you could look at it maybe the encounter left him with this ability like it

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um um those are kind of like you know the two the two thoughts right um but either way it seems that

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that had uh encounters i mean clearly it was a cause and effect saw uap next day the air force guy to

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show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah

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after after the there was an event at rendalsham so rendal for those that don't know you know rent

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rendalsham when people say rendalsham it's really referring to the rendalsham forest in the uk right

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there was a there was a joint military uk base there in the 80s it was called um i think it was called raf

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bentwaters steve is that correct that sounds right raf bentwaters i think that was the name of the base

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it was a joint uk us base at the time in the 80s it had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in europe

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yeah yeah which one had the ufo incident

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is your mic on or can we hear you talking on the mics or no

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uh the events uh occur just outside of woodbridge okay ufo landings so

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simply put there was a joint uk military base in this area of the english countryside and um at the

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apparently multiple crafts came down from the sky one night and were hovering around the nuclear

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weapon sites um like right above uh where nukes were hidden underground and a number of the base

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security guards and the base commander went out and saw these things in the woods around the base and

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negative biological effects um heart issues and some other medical issues uh as a result of the contact

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and uh interestingly also similar to the scott story um the day after um a mysterious

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uh unmarked plane landed on the base according to the base commander who i spoke to personally

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um and people that identify themselves as being a part of air force office of special investigation and of the cia

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the cia talked to the witnesses brought them into a private room spoke to them interrogated them asked

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them a lot of questions um years later those witnesses told the base commander many years later told them

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with people from air force office of special investigation osi it's called and people from the cia

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so look the air force and the cia's role in this is is well well documented people have been talking about

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it for years um but the the overlap with um consciousness remote viewing yeah and this is is a

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really interesting intersection you know and if you and if you accept the fact that remote viewing is real

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me there definitely seems to be a huge connection between this whole ufo phenomenon and the human mind

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and the human psyche yeah it seems to be an integral part of a very important piece to this puzzle yeah you

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know that with the combined with the fact that like most ufo sightings happen with children

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of schools there's a lot oh the aerial all around the world the aerial school encounter you know about

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this one yeah that's one of the most fascinating this is covered very well for those that don't

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know it in the documentary the phenomenon which james fox directed i had the opportunity to be one of

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the producers on it um by all means james gets all responsibility for making that movie that was his

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baby that was phenomenon the aerial school one yeah the phenomenon covered it at the very end okay and

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james did an amazing job of of covering that story in a little section at the end of the film

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kids representing all all parts of the world and there was like one school day where there's

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100 something kids out in the backyard playing they ranged in age i think it was like 6 to 12 or

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something like that and they all came running back to the school screaming saying that there was a ufo

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in the in the field that had landed and beings telepathically communicating and all these kids

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told the teachers the same thing they all said they described this craft landing they described it

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being distorted around it like a blur they described these beans being near the craft and how they

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with them um the message that these kids all got was that one there's a clip of there's a actual

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they told us we mustn't get too technoledged was the word she used right and and and and that if we did

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like the the world could burn and there'd be all this destruction yeah right so an adult watching that

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you you take away the conclusion they're saying you know you know be careful about how we're progressing

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technologically and then it could lead to destruction right it was like a warning right and um that was the main

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takeaway from the communication these kids claim to all not all but many of them experience um all the kids

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described the same event though and then now looking through the lens of you know what people reveal

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in my film in the age of disclosure about how the technology works if a craft came down and it had a bubble around it

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that and and beings got out of the craft but they were still in the bubble it would look like they're

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they're behind the bubble the distorted you know look and the light they saw it would all would all check

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out with how this tech with how the people might from say this technology works and then where the story

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the head of the bbc south africa who was stationed in south africa and heard about this extra member's

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up the story so he goes and he investigates it and he said after spending time talking to each of these

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they were all telling the truth because kids just can't lie that good like little kids can't one-on-one

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tell all the same details as each other one after another like it wasn't like five kids i think it

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was like over 100 kids and and and and so he came to believe them but at the same time as a as a as a

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him if these kids were all you know expert liars or crazy so he he he phoned the um the head of child

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psychiatry at harvard at the time who was like apparently the the the leading expert on child

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psychiatry in the united states at the time his name was john mack so he calls him he tells him about

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this event and asks him to come out to south africa and interview the kids and tell him his conclusion

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so mack flies out to south africa and he interviews these kids one at a time he films the interviews and

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100 takes away the fact that these kids are all telling the truth that they all experience what they're

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kids and he got them to do interviews for the phenomenon and it's amazing you see them you see

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them talking as kids intercut with them as adults and they're saying the exact same thing none of them

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story and the fact that these these interviews exist that you can watch of these little kids talking

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it's super moving and yeah man james fox did an amazing job putting that piece of the film together

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um towards the end of his process and i was able to play a role in helping get the movie out there and

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and the marketing of the movie and and getting it out into the mainstream but he did a hell of a job

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filmmaker and he's been ahead of the curve on this topic you know like he started making films on this before

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his first movie uh you know uh i think it's called out of the blue was a good one and then i you know

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who saw this creepy looking creature he did the he did the deepest dive i think someone actually died from it

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and like like stories of men in black the u.s air force plane landing carting this thing off and then

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so well even the his new one has the the surgeon of the hospital yeah that one surgeon who like

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and james james did the best deep dive ever on it um and i'll tell you i i have heard from some of my

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who we mentioned today jay stratton who you know co-ran osap and and and and was director of the uap task

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force he he and others have told me that they spoke to people from the brazilian military like very senior

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of the biological effects to civilians in that area um people that got zapped by uh this uap

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in this event this this specific event um the the brazilian military did a massive investigation of it

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and there's tons of evidence they you know they the people i've come to trust talk about it like an event

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that really truly happened and and is well documented and maybe you know most likely the us the elements

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of the us government that have been covering this up the folks involved in legacy program you know likely

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had had a role in covering it up and just you know sure making sure it never never made it to the public um

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talking about it on podcasts like yeah um in the past there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it

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like he's going that doctor came out of the shadows and decided he would he would he would share his

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the same time there's also like that's that's like ballsy of him to do that to do that investigation to

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government ufos recorded on the radar of military fighter jets and unknown objects documented by the

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military to go all the way to i communicated with a alien in a hospital telepathically like that's

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we've already we've already gone past the ufo bridge like everyone can accept that ufos are real

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it's pretty much in like the zeitgeist now in common in in america at least but like i feel

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like it's gonna take a lot more to get people to the okay we're telepathically communicating with these

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technologically advanced and like yeah even alien abductions like did any of the people that you talk to

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go that far to talk about like talk about the actual beings people people did people i chose to

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leave it out of the film because i just felt like for the average person who hasn't spent any time

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discount the other stuff and so i think my my ultimately obviously i you saw the film ultimately

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where i came out on it was um to have the film cover the base facts of the high level situation

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and not get into that which would be sort of like the next bridge for the audience to get right right

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but there's just already so the base facts are already

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that was enough you know yeah and i actually had um in one uh cut of the movie i did have a little like

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three or four minute scene that touched on it wasn't abductions but touched on um the personal

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experiences some of the u.s government officials had at their homes after investigating this so

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one of the wild things i learned was that as people involved in investigating this

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for the government looked into non-human intelligent life it seems non-human intelligent life started

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looking into them uh the analogy that they you know used to wrap their head around what's happening

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intelligence community spies on the russian spy you know like we look into them because they're looking

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them they started looking into non-human intelligent life in uap for the government and all of a sudden

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and i ended up putting it into like a three or four minute scene in an early cut of the movie and when

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i did test screenings um small test screenings with trusted friends time and time again at the end

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the ideas you had going into watching the movie are the same after watching the movie those kind of

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and and believed betrayal and every single time it was that sequence it was that sequence in the film

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a bridge too far and i would even ask you know i asked the obvious follow-up questions you know i'd say

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well the person telling that story didn't didn't the previous part of the film establish their credibility

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uncovered is totally digestible to the audience so i just decided to take that scene out yeah this is

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the long story short yeah the normies aren't ready for you exactly yeah and i don't know what that is

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the interesting things in the film is rubio and clapper we talked about two guys we talked about today

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they both say in the film they talk about how it's difficult for people to wrap their head around

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it's something in the human psyche yeah that does that and that's actually something that they are

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happening right now and and and and um put the right brain power towards it because we haven't

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our face like we never imagined terrorists would fly you know come to the the homeland and learn to fly

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know imagined the japanese would be able to you know strike us at pearl harbor with their missiles and

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get their missiles through the straits but until they did um and so there's histories full of these

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and then sometimes that leads to a strategic surprise that as he says in the film could change the course of

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incredible stories and from where i was sitting as the guy doing all the interviews there was so much

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overlap you it was like tell me what you heard about the aliens so talked to um several people who worked

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on nuclear weapons bases who had seen a uap on the base like been part of an event that multiple

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people witnessed with them and then in the coming days had subsequent events when they were off the

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homes yeah or not necessarily those cases the new open stories were actually not homes it happened in

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various not at work yeah not at work um one one story that did happen on the on a base though um

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and i didn't i didn't include this in the film but i did say i have it maybe i'll maybe i'll

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the internet just make it a dvd yes put on dvd people can have it collect hold on to it you know

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the air force security guard on a nuclear weapons base had a had an encounter where him and his

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he said that a bright light came from the uap and hit this vehicle that him and his partner went and they

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the corner of his eye he saw three non-human beings approaching the car and he said he was terrified and

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was no longer where it was in front of the the uh the nuke um site he was now at the bottom of a

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reservoir that was on the back side of the base that you couldn't physically drive down to the truck was

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couldn't move he was like gripping the steering wheel he said and um over the base over the radio

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we are and apparently they came and got them and then when they brought him back to the base apparently

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essentially interrogated them both asked them a million questions they sent them both to the

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and the partner was shipped out to another country very quickly soon after that whoa yeah and um

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the aftermath was like almost exactly the same him and his he that guy was um in another vehicle he had

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investigation cia asking the questions and then um one of them was shipped to a base on in japan

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and this is all this bolt bolt stories uh we're saying is you know before the internet before email

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like it's like dramatic um one guy when he's telling the story actually i i he i noticed his like knee was

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like going so fast that i i actually stopped the interview and i was like hey man you want to like

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the beings looked like he said one was a really tall humanoid being and then there was other shorter

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humanoid and then smaller ones that did not look the same and um whoa and he said that the tall

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one had he could see in the corner's eye had what looked like like a cattle prod like a device in

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its hand that was like a like a pole and he did the only reference point he had was i do remember that

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um in different they happened in different years and like the circumstances um

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you gotta i i personally think there's a difference between uh trap the difference between travis walton and

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the cold war they have to be proven psychologically sound yeah to be in charge of those places and i

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think like if we put ourselves in the context of history like during the cold war there would have

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know i wanted to make it for the everyman so that the average person could understand this is a real and

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this directive from trump i feel like the average person seeing 34 really credible military government

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massive impact on people yeah the average person you know when i think about like my folks in jersey in

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of a sudden like what this is real yeah you know you think about those normal people the normies as

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you said um yeah that's who i was making the movie for and i think now that the average person is aware that

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movies about all of those individually i'd like to and i'd like to i really i i enjoyed making the film

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and i enjoyed the process of like making making an impact i do think the problem with it is like when

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to delete oh yeah this this was the hardest creative process of my entire life yeah you know i've been as

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a producer i've i've um i've built from the ground up a bunch of movies and tv shows you know including

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ready player one i developed that from the very beginning when it was you know we just had the

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book to start with the the book by ernest klein um and developing movies and tv shows is is hard it's a

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it's a process it's a hard creative process um but this was the hardest creative process because

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then it's a series and series i don't think series have the same cultural impact as movies right they just

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don't i agree they don't the same staying power they're not as evergreen um and um you know a

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honestly how many series they start and don't finish it's yeah it's gonna be majority do the

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whole thing with the cliffhangers to get them into the next episode and all that yeah yeah i mean i had

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the thought of course but then i was just like you know that's just not gonna make the same impact

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right but a movie you know yeah someone tells you someone you know i see it all the time people say my

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friend told me to watch the disclosure and like you know i went home and i watched it that night

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movie you can completely learn the lay of the land you can now be able to talk about it you can now

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uh like i said i think he's the greatest director of all time no one no one inspired me more

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do the same thing so like i i didn't i didn't have any we didn't have a lot of money growing up um

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you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh

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you know mowing lawns in the summer um to buy uh a camera super eight camera a 16 millimeter camera

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editing you literally had to like cut the film right yeah and so uh i wrote directed produced and

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film i made where two buddies of mine uh phil and dan they they rob a 7-eleven and it's like in the movie

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i wanted a police car chase so at the time i was working at the uh the local pizzeria working the

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counters like i think it's like probably freshman year in high school yeah the cops came in and they'd

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always eat really cheap the role was the owner would let us charge cops 10 bucks no matter what they

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participate in this police chase in my short film and the guy did it he did it and i sped up the film

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hilarious and he got really into it we had this great camera movement at the end we're like at the

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end like when the when the two thieves get away he like slams on his brake hops out of his car and

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like the camera like moves around the door like and he just looks like a badass and he loved it and

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he had a great time and um when i go home for the holidays to my little jersey town i often bump into

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him at the local bar and he always brings it up he's like man that was awesome so i had all these i

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like i tried to add like production value and all the things i did as a kid was making these short films

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car chase or i'd get like the local emts the ambulances to like you know show up in a scene

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and like um but i was very inspired by spielberg to do all that like reading about him the fact that

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and it really cemented you know my uh my desire to get into the movie business and and make it a

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career you know and then so years later when we developed ready player one so the way that started

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is ernie ernie klein wrote the book amazing book he's an amazing author and um and uh i started

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on board to fund the development of it and pay for the adaptations to be written and uh that process

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started in 2010 a year before the book came out and then the book came out and became this big you

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know sensation instant bestseller and we continued developing the screenplay and then it got to the

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point in uh spring of 2015 we had a draft that we all loved and the studio loved and we needed a

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director and we we brought it to spielberg and he loved the script and then he read the book and

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loved the book that's amazing and um i remember learning uh at the time that his uh wife had

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coincidentally just um listened to the audio book on her morning walks and so she had been talking

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meant to be yeah he was hearing from multiple people how wonderful the book was and um yeah and

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pre-production end of 15 we shot in 6 16 in the uk in the english countryside uh warner has a studio

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2018 and um we premiered it at the south by southwest film festival opening weekend sunday afternoon of

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2018 and that's relevant because uh a really cool thing for me was when when my movie the age of

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disclosure was done we also premiered it in the exact same slot sunday afternoon opening weekend of

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south by southwest film festival and we premiered in the same theater the paramount theater in austin

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the historic paramount theater it's like an 1100 seat theater and it was pretty surreal for me

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yeah being on stage introducing the movie well i have this memory of sitting in the audience

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watching spielberg introduce ready player one in the same same place into that's pretty incredible

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dude yeah yeah what's even weirder like kind of a glitch in the matrix um it was uh south by southwest

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topic this alien ufo just a little bit on on set making the movie yeah you know he uh he's got a

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it's gonna make a huge impact i think the one it's like a one-two punch i think like this documentary

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from like the greatest filmmaker ever that you know shows a grounded story dealing with this i

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think the combined impact of that is going to really open people's minds i mean if me watching

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this documentary right what is the combined impact of my doc and his film gonna do for someone else

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you know right or for other people or for the collective you know yeah um so i think i think movies

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like when you had to get in the car drive there go sit down you know buy your popcorn buy your soda

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sit down put your phone away make sure your phone's on silent you know like the fact that we don't do that

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like it's days i do too i do too the um but making that movie making ready player one um i gotta say you

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know for a guy who's the most successful person in the history of hollywood right yeah uh he was

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cinematographers okay one of the some directors like to use the cameras the one he uses the most is um

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a kid and the biggest influence on me and i'm getting to be on set with him making a movie that

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i developed right the script i developed that's pretty that's pretty incredible i thought i was like

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one day uh early on in making that movie um myself and uh ernie klein were in in the lunch line with

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the crew just filling up a plate of food we're pretty far down the line i'd filled a full plate of food

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that was a great memory i remember he he was telling us like he's just like you know he was the

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amazing we were just sitting there with our jaws on the floor wow remember literally walking away

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fun fact i was a production assistant or a camera production assistant on a movie with the

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cinematographer who did independence day the dp of independence day it's amazing that's the closest

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movie differently you know there's that great scene where um bill pullman who plays the president yeah he

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says uh some line basically essentially saying uh someone brings up the idea that like our government

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that's all yeah and then the guy who plays the head of the cia an actor named james redborn who's uh

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passed away he actually lived in my hometown um he played the head of the cia and he he has that

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famous line from the movie where he goes he's like well sir that's not exactly true you know and then

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redborn is the tall guy uh white hair he was in the talented mr ripley he's in a lot of movies he was

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in the game remember the game michael douglas oh that's an amazing movie by the way the game

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the oh yes yes yes yes okay yeah really great oh dude yeah he was great he played it you never

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saw the game with michael douglas it's been a long time ah i have seen it i have that movie is

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bonkers um he yeah he played the the guy and yeah i remember that now fake boss i remember that

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yeah exactly but do you remember like the bit at area 51 where they're like they're like who pays for

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all this stuff when they show the the hanger with the ufo and stuff they're like they're like who funds

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what they were saying oh my god it was like the move the popcorn movie way of saying like misappropriated

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the the abyss yeah you know go back and watch oh yeah james cameron's abyss you know and then he went

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down this whole you know the avatar movies and yeah dealing with life from elsewhere and you know i think

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the abyss there was a story that you that you left out i heard about some guy recovering a vehicle out of the

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ocean or something yeah yeah yeah one of the people i talked to who wouldn't go on camera um he was a

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special forces guy who had been in involved in a uap event and it's a long story but the the summary is

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there's a couple ways we test missiles so it's not generally speaking but one of the ways we test

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missiles um we shoot them out into the ocean they drop into the ocean they go far distance and they

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drop into the ocean and then we send special forces teams to go recover them usually like navy seals

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they'll just go recover the missile um they put it on a some kind of like a recovery system and they

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they bring it up into a chopper take it back and then they pull all the data from it for their tests

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and the recovery was happening and this this guy was in the water uh with a couple of his colleagues

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and they had like a you know i don't know what the correct word is did he tell you what ocean no i don't

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connecting the missile and there was a helicopter floating above them there's a few of these guys in

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the water doing this and then apparently a giant uap came out of the ocean like classic saucer ufo and it

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was just there they look up they're freaking out people in the chopper are freaking out and apparently

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this thing just took the missile somehow like they described it as like a magnet almost like it just took

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it whoa yeah and then it took off um and these guys were just swimming in the water yeah yeah oh my god

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before it's not like an isolated incident the ocean stuff is definitely definitely fascinating

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you know it is um it really is man we might find out there's a whole civilization under the ocean

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a good idea to stay in the atmospheres because the atmospheres are the atmospheres are so volatile

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from planet to planet like the atmosphere of venus is like 900 degrees fahrenheit on like a cold day

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so it's like it's like fucking hell right and yeah not only that but like the pressure is different that

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the the there's volcanoes asteroids comets all kinds of shit you can't predict in the atmosphere

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200 degrees fahrenheit and the pressure if you want to get the pressure right you just dial it down to

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the depth you're going to get this you're going to get the right pressure depending on the depth that

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you're at with the atmospheres that you're at so you would just go to water worlds because you can get

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the exact temperature and pressure and if you had the ability to warp space-time in a localized area

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and create like a bubble around your craft that's the key to interstellar travel right you could explore

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well it's definitely the the key to interstellar travel which is wild yeah wait but by the way

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the other thing just made me think of yeah we're talking about spielberg um he was so ahead of his

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time with this topic right like he clearly had some insight in the 70s when he made close encounters

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poltergeist the movie about i didn't know he wrote that yeah about paranormal activity um and a

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that movie in the theater oh yeah yeah 100 bro yeah i think he i think he had i think he had real

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consultants um in the same way that you know before i made the age disclosure i formed relationships with

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high level intelligence officials who really kind of like helped me understand the lay of the land

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insights um you know jock valet was is was one of the consultants on the movie that's the the french

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book and you know i believe i believe spielberg's talked publicly about how um alan hynek who was the lead

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story about spielberg um doing a screening of et at the white house for reagan and on the way out

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reagan commenting on how there's just a few people who know how close to true the et story is or how

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with that yeah i can't remember where i haven't i've never heard that yeah who was the president

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was one day where they were talking on the golf course about it and nixon apparently said you know

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showed him a uh a recovered ufo on a military base oh i thought he showed him an alien i thought the

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the here's the story about spielberg and et um can you zoom in a little bit in the new interview

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ain't cool news spielberg details the time you screen the classic film et at the white house for reagan

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and distinguished guests and the former president's coy response to the alien epic he just this is a

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quote from spielberg he just stood up he looked around the room almost like he was doing a head

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count and then he said i want to thank you for bringing et to the white house we really enjoyed

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your movie and then he looked around the room and said and there are a number of people in this room

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spielberg says he said it without smiling without smiling yeah so that's the story i remember and

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stephen did say that i saw the interview that's actually an on-camera interview i think no way

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so uh yeah and that when you combine that with you know reagan gave a speech at the united nations

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that you know most people either don't know happened or forgot about i put i put it in my film in the

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disclosure he gives a speech where he talks about how he often thinks that the one thing that will unite

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yeah but the wild thing about that is like put yourself in his shoes he's the president united

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states he's giving a speech at the u.n he can say anything he wants right and he chooses to say that

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think about the president of the united states doesn't have like free time you know like yeah you're

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this this spielberg story and there's other stories um one of the one of the people i interviewed um

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that i didn't end up including in the film simply because there wasn't time or like what they talked

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about there wasn't like an organic way to get to it in the context of the doc it would have felt like a

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the concern about uap coming in and out of our atmosphere was one of the motivations for the

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had had learned how real the situation was now it's revealed in my film that most u.s presidents are

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kept in the dark on this they're not told the truth and that they're told the base facts i think

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some presidents my understanding is some presidents once they learned the base facts kind of like

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on their own figured out the rest but they're largely just kept kept in the dark yeah but yeah reagan

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and then bush the other the other one who has a big role we talked about in the film is um

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bush two i mean excuse me bush one bush senior when he was director of the cia he was not

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read in on this he was not told the truth about the crash retrieval and reverse engineering program

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way to learn the truth about it and and got very involved and then his son bush too um knew the base

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think tank we talked about it in my film one of the people who participated in the think tank is dr hal

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pudoff who's in my film he tells the story about how he and i think he said like a dozen other people from

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that the russians and the chinese and the americans have all recovered technology of non-human origin

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and it's it's circumstances that we're all dealing with and that the the president was contemplating

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stepping the microphone and telling the world the base facts and he wanted this group of people to

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assess what the repercussions would be what the impact would be on society and rank it from a one to ten

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scale um each vertical like the impact on religion the impact on the economy the impact on just a list

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good thing and then when they started to like honestly evaluate it and like run the numbers they

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decided that it was not a good idea and that there was more more than good than pros relative to the

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story is the fact that it was like just after 9 11 so the context also was like the world was already

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dealing with you know a big curveball and chaos and right you know the global war on terror started

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and you know the timing of it also was a factor but hal goes on the record on camera saying he

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to think that like you think back to the the you know bush choose presidency and you thought you

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knew what was going on in the world and this was happening in a room secretly in dc that's crazy

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from um sure coming forward on it yeah but well let's see if trump can see his legacy and be the

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interesting year we are we are 100 living in in the age of disclosure that is that is for sure um i do

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stratton's book that's gonna blow people's minds um i'm i'm thinking about what the next film i'm

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down a specific situation that happened in the same way that james did that great film

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um i founded relentless releasing the distribution company that that released the film and um building

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bunch of different things for the for for what's next well it's a fantastic film and it's definitely

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doing a huge part moving the needle thank you and getting people talking about this and making

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it more normalized and you know helping us push this out so we can finally get the truth hopefully

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