So there we go. I get a package.
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So this is not the only piece of paper that was...
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So have other people that you know.
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So I think I have a little fear in me right now.
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So I'm like trying to speak thoughtfully.
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So in 2008, on the 4th of July, I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots and a current commercial pilot.
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You're so loud in my head, Ramsey.
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But then the headphones makes it so that you're kind of, it's like, kind of like blinders for your ears.
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So your question was, what's the difference of a real skiff?
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what's out there in the natural world is is very limited like extremely limited so no satellite
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low visual so not satellite but that asset they didn't know that we were and could see them so
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satellites looking at that so so strategic surprise is one of the greatest um threats that we
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participate with dealing with on a daily basis as as a nation and as five eyes so when you have the
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is a compressed amount of time of course yeah so you get like the sentence that means the paragraph so
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everything to everybody um or even anything to anybody yeah but you got to take a shot right so
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so george knapp and i were doing this dance of like well so i personally will testify but what i have to
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say is not important so saying is not important for me it is giving and showing 12 assets now the thing
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is and here's the dance how do you get into a locked room and you're a puzzle man so maybe you figure
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do a lot of harm not just to yourself to other people to our nation that kind of thing so let's just
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interesting thing so but they got to know that something is there wait so anybody who's been
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type and so instead of generating clips over and over you're working from a fixed starting point and
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like it's not at your home sure your home gets raided it's not on your phone so if your phone gets
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taken so you oh i see you have access right because it's been in front of your eyes and you
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predict i understand so how do you then because you know in order for me to testify my condition
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so how do you get in there and bring something because by the time you're bringing something you've
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got something so you have something right okay then let's say you're there first of all you're a
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for better because they trust you sure and the one thing i am worthy of is people's trust so here we go
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layer just to you tell me how you get out of this escape room okay so now i've got a conundrum
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okay so i'm told by national security people after months and months and months of doing this dance
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so with that said i've got this responsibility and i'm like cool let's let's see this through
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let's set this up so we get notified that there is a skiff and it's under my terms and conditions
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spelling okay this spelling okay the georgian i can do that so then imagine this all set up and by the
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so it was for that and then what happens is i get a call i'm in the showers from a congressional person
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so i called my lawyer my federal lawyer who is chuck mccullough the third and in that conversation
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know no it's not you don't think so no i know so they're supposed to be a mutual trust for example
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testify now this is highly sensitive because you're not going to choose 10 so i'm revealing to you out of
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52 cards you know 10 cards but you can only play with six so i'm like there are four people that
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will be exposed that don't need to be so i've got one rule if you ever break it i'm never doing this
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repercussions or reprisals i said they went after them so that means a few different things play the
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have seen it temporal dial so i'm gonna skip and chris ramsey has a clock right there but it's it's
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like a month no so two months away no no may 12th oh may 12th is may 12th the bubble burst okay well
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take care of my wife he seems really really concerned he was um for good reason and and so
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what does that look like help me understand right so it's insidious and that's the best word that i can
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just almost seemingly inert and it's really so i would like to break that down for you
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dylan raised his hand and got all the way there and he testified so clearly i'm not talking about him
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and um we're so now talking to though diet time dilation we're not completely through that yet
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mm-hmm so that just started being opened by the time this airs it might have been i hope i hope exposed
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i hope well i don't know man this is going to take a little while i apologize for this so
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we have dirty laundry right so i i don't know that's interesting and so this section of the podcast
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might be sped up to nonsense because i don't know let's find out so now let me answer your question
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yeah not to blame the whole agency right sure right so so what does that look like well i think the way
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same way kind of like that depending on the agency each agency has a persona so you can you can say
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so what does it look like what depends on who you're asking about so
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arrow is beholden to odni and i could be wrong by the way so i'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who
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has a great mentor i get things wrong all the time so i'm telling you now i believe this to be the case
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when i think about it later i'm going to change my answer so if odni if odni is running
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to have a distinct odor feel and smell so the way arrow goes about it is they will have um for example
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i decline to interview with you because i have said so i'm going somebody that did testify right now to
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active navy so then arrow after the fact under odni that is my impression they would call him
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i'm just interested in events right so senior chief wiggins would then be asked like so who was with
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because it's not a classified situation right so now you've got this weird kind of pressurization
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isn't real right they're they're wishing because they don't know and that's what's so cool they don't
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know so they're trying to create a situation to pressurize him why because ultimately they want
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to have they want to be able to shape the emerging uap narrative so they want to have control of any
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gotta put out the fires the no they need to do a contr have control of the burn so so that is one way
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when i brought when i kept commander that's so subtle like it feels i'm telling you the subtle
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menacing and then the superior says well what happens because the navy's so they got the backs
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of their sailors they got the backs of them that's true that's fact about the navy so then the we'll
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say senior person i don't want to identify rank or whatever um they'll say so what happens if he
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okay okay so they will go to like just flexing that they have a direct line and you know his
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position yeah the secretary of war okay so that was their flex which made me fucking laugh i got it
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possibly do because it's such bullshit yeah so now we're in the thick of that that's like i'll tell the
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play the tape back okay so that is like the most simple version of inert right now you've got we're
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kind of been vague and i just want to know what exactly goes on with these interactions so so it is
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inert and we're going to move to um i think we'll move to covert okay so so covert um or should it was the
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other one i said um overt overt we can go to overt let's go overt and then covert okay so overt
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okay so you get like a bunch of those you don't know where that's coming from let's keep going
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you know it's fine so you are so used to this that you go to the bar because you know all the locals
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10 years never seen this guy so you buy a beer and you put the beer down right next to the guy
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and you're like cool so
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so that is very overt intimidation especially when you can find out later
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something for myself yeah for my own so you may or may not have found out who that was for my own sanity
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sure okay so i'm not trying to be evasive give me the soda could you could you take this guy in a
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so especially when when when your friend follows that guy because he can read and was hanging out by
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so that's overt would you consider that overt what when you when you called him out for
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i'm just moving it through over yeah you were like get out of here so no no i didn't say get out of it
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he said he said you said yeah so let's just let's just leave it at that okay i want to move forward
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that's fine works okay i understand so i have to put myself there visually yeah but i've already moved
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on so so now jeremy first of all as someone who spent time with you like i understand you don't have
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your brain works okay and i think they can appreciate it and i think uh you know just just so that you don't
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don't answer questions of course but i need to take you somewhere so that you really understand it
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you're pretty good at putting a pen in things okay so now here we are would you consider i've given you
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two now would you consider that overt i would consider that somewhere between covert and over right so now
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now we're there it was covert before it was over okay it became very overt yeah okay but so now i
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so let's say you're standing somewhere and somebody mark bumps into you and marks you let's just
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you're bumping you next thing you know you're wearing a pin okay so then later you come to
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understand the meaning of that pin right and so that is overt even though yeah nothing is quite said
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now so there's another version we're getting into the real covert yeah we got to look around our
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best just i'm making sure the camera's rolling i know so i'm giving you cover yeah okay i'm trying
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that's right that the screen's gonna go out okay boom all screens going okay so so now we're kind
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poof you're gone you're mccaslin poof you're gone you're so and so poof you're a guy at los alamos
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gets killed so the worst thing you could do is um like stab dylan borland in the neck 20 times
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uh you know in public because then that would make a lot of questions so if you really were trying to
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that's a big message oh it's a big message too right so it would be covert and the best way to get
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a result is to have people do it for you without them even knowing it how do you mean okay so you've
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got somebody that is mentally unstable and already dislikes chris rams we're gonna put it on you so
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you can feel it okay okay so this guy is a ufo fanatic and this guy is unstable and this guy
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to intelligence but he fucking hates you and he ain't rap so teddy but that's why they chose him in
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my brain um karyaku john karyaku something so this guy was famously cia and fbi tried to entrap him
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because he told the truth to the world that we were waterboarding and torturing people so he served
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because it was the right thing to do and he'd do it again right so kind of reeling me back in to the
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story about you so you've got somebody now that has close ties to intelligence who is not a loose cannon
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bright idea to really hurt you right so now that person is as an emissary doing what's wanted by these
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tactics you know is very reminiscent of like mk ultra uh type you know behavior as well so i've heard
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by like some credible so the answer is yes okay hold on let me process the time dilation and if i can
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check that with me yeah 100 okay so i'll speak freely ask my mom
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and so there's there's some i don't want to reveal certain words because then all of a sudden
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that's the agency you can imagine but so imagine i mean there's not too many agencies here imagine you
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up in a tabloid called dirt.com okay so um and only two people know because you bought it in a blind llc
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not what you thought it was so let's reel it back so the person who paid for the ad is a member of an
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agency so i can't prove that right but that's your hunch i would say i would say i know okay i still can't
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prove that okay okay so but yeah whatever it doesn't matter sure um but but here's the deal but that's
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the chris ramsey threat and my mom and my wife so you're sitting there and the fbi is informing you
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um you know more lives than than are publicly even disclosed and so that's a that's freedom of
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so when you say that yeah what do you mean by that because when i hear that i hear that a lot it was
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as a real threat because it feels the same sure okay so to the person oh absolutely you you need
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bunch of people right you also need to have evidence and proof and so you and you have to live that
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recorded audio video pushed up to the cloud spread out on servers encrypted and then spread out so
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anybody could see it if you ever say so or want them to so you you're saying that you have threats
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so you the movie opens with if i recall with a cia veteran yes so let me let me show you the shape
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well i have tools these are all tools for me to remember yeah you're good at that so my memory
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is this here's cia um so cia if you if if you if you meet with them and you know first they try to
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not on you sure okay they don't like that so much so then they're like well to enroll you they want
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to give you incentive okay so what does that look like it's transactional bro it's simple you know
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maybe ten thousand dollars a time now you have to understand too i'm a i'm a journalist so i have
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different rules that i have to play by and they have different rules in order to contact me so some
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but i mean that's supposed to be the nsa okay yeah you know more than i do so here we go i mean i you
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know i don't know i just know that's a fact so you know the thing is people will get paid just to go
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memorize streets when i'm here you know but when it comes down to money so cia is the most covert they're
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do so at first it's like enroll you if they can't enroll you because you're already enrolled you want
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you know it's a transactional thing but you're like oh but i'm i'm a journalist and so yeah 100
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can do is make you uncomfortable so an example of that would be um you know you buy a house on a blind
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might try to do this to you that to you but we you know we can like look out for you so you know let
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live that way so you got right they all eyes open you make a joke you say it out loud you
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about my dogs first you're making jokes making jokes so then that's like oh you better report
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friend taking a photo of the instagram of the girl when she's talking to you so you then look
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at the instagram profile have her assumed name pass it on to doj okay so all of a sudden you've got
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that seems exhausting for me yeah yeah oh dude bro i'm done living like that so so that's part of why
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that card's right here chris hmm okay that one's not supposed to be in the deck so now
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finish it with this little honey pots not just that we're talking all types of actions so let me put it
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talking ufo oh yeah i'm oh my 100 percent massively invested in weirdo land so i i so if you say if you
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got a fire burning in your brain and i'm going to try to put it out with gasoline right now so let's
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just finish this because this is way heavier than i wanted to start with yeah so i want to like reverse
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memory that can be transmitted at any time verbatim so just know that about him as well because he
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always talking on speakerphone so just know that about him so that's how you approach right so you have
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to understand and now you do is that there is an upside down and thank god there is and it's so
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funny again because they should be i agree yeah so that that's just now that we've done the heavy
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it is hard for people because people now you're conscious of the camera and so you become self
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conscious and all of this so one of the i get it yeah so a great way to go beyond that is you know this
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to do if they're cognizant if the camera's around so what we would do is uh the camera would be filming
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and so we had a code word for cut instead of being someone else you had a code word for cut so we had we
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had a code word for cut so when we said cut it wasn't cut it was cameraman relax and look away
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uh it was great uh so wow it was amazing you know and then we're like oh we can't use that
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we need authenticity and so we go all right we got it cut and then we go like wasn't that crazy they go
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oh my god that was so insane and they'd open up while we're filming sort of slouched and so what i'm
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sure you want so what happened with john lear yeah with john lear it was much of the same the first of
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eating and he was always when he's eating he's so consumed by what he's eating he's just like
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i'm ever gonna talk about this movie right so i want to talk about this movie and about michael okay
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so michael lazowski about being natural um so i wanted to ask you a question about being natural
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know me and i have a purpose and i use the camera like a weapon so if i go on a new show i use that
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problem for people who are afraid of how they're being perceived exactly yeah so if you're why do we why
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brain a second fear of not being loved okay is it also fear so yes and is it also fear of being
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hated and ridiculed same one in the same thing i consider the same thing yeah okay so we're saying
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the same thing yeah oh so agreed now we can move on yeah okay um so i mean that was a really nice
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kitchen with his wheelchair is that my head and then you go on with the wheelchair so the reason why
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they told me that they had never even told their wife or their family so my experience with a camera
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lear said that so here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side i realized
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different phone so i can't but anyway that is when me and my friends we have this joke we're all
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receipts you would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world so what
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that time um what happens is that gets around so when i kept commander fravor's secret when i could
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telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them so now with the camera situation
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is something you can never take back so anyway with that said now go back to your say in a funny moment
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gift of gab whether you think so or not you have the ability to tell a story in a very entertaining manner
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like you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who i am kind of deal and
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artistic choices as well the lighting the music like okay so let's pick one so like i noticed the
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hands right so at one point um i throw my hands up as a young kid and he cuts immediately to the
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is a choice the first time after that it's it's repeated so i gave him 20 years of footage and 99.9
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i didn't give him stuff but i gave him 99 of it so he watched it all so when i told him a story
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out and i was like what the so i gave him 20 years of my footage then he stuff started happening and
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like we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i got to trust you it was a trust exercise so that
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one restriction on him for the movie and i like leaving things undone so you stay curious and you
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very very apparent i love her i love my whole family yeah and it's it's very very apparent and so
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parts so i was really i was kind of really appreciative watching it from that lens to
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first time so that was kind of i'm going to give you a hint that was kind of the only condition
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have that message from john so now you're getting a little insight into what i had said earlier back
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i went in on the you know skinwalker movie which is perplexing and then lazar so i've never been able to
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lies to make the other and the other one knows that they're lying so lear is dying yeah and lear
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sure he gave him a ticket so i felt like that was a knowing lie i hope that's how the movie portrays
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amazing authentic sweet human and he's not a liar he's not a liar so when that thing came up in that
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movie it made me kind of squirm but i'm kind of going like well that's true too so i just wanted to
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caveat that before your audience is going to see it so i got a caveat that which is that
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but i do that too it's like um i make sure like i give somebody what they're looking for so i don't
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and so it's those little moments that i really enjoyed michael yeah he's he's great yeah it's a
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there food here so he's eating because that's that's the truth that's what was going on and then
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before and he was so nervous and and i had never met him so i'd seen him before obviously so he must
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have been out there but he was so nervous and i look at him and i go bro are you nervous i dream of
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right because he was and is a thoughtful authority figure absolutely and nobody knew my face and so we
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and oscar wolf so he is a guy with a story and people will see that interview online right and it
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type situation he was in so think about this this guy is going to gain nothing you know unless he's
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you know they procreate and you know that their kin are also in a position of trust so you release this
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and i get chills right do you understand does your audience understand i'm sure they do so sometimes
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so you're getting ahead in life yeah but sometimes people are highly qualified to receive that of course
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that people use that's what i feel in that yeah it not always but sometimes it is i think so okay
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shadow bro and so this musician guy you know was kind of thought he was living in his his father's
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shadow but indeed he's now realized thank god that it was his own big ass shadow and so now you're
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to you for you to do it so this is rubik's cube bro yeah he's he's uh he's got some good thoughts um
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so okay and love the audience by the way yeah yeah i'm not trying to be a dick to the audience i think
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know um you mean you self-made you mean daddy teal no daddy let me ask you something so your brain
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not a nepo baby so all of this is your brain and and you're gonna say and the the team of people i work
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it's the same trajectory exactly yeah so these are all manifestations of a singular thing that all those
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new and i think that's you know funny if people think so um bob's told you it's it's all over
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kilmore um genius real genius do you remember that 80s movie no i don't you're welcome so you're welcome
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real genius the movie so this is straight out of that so lazar does a test right um it is no secret
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that at one time bob bizarre had obtained a piece of 115. so yeah in in the movie where i fast forwarded
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in that so you asked me about that day though and that's a can so let's just open it okay
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so i'd been filming with bob a bunch but that wasn't easy we're not going to get into that
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out to michigan let's do that but i didn't want to ask and then get denied so i really carefully just
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and he goes what do you mean and i'm like are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the
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disrespect that moment i wasn't sure why it's obvious i guess now so i had my camera my one or
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so now there i am and we're we're doing it which you know which means like fourth of july we take my
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months so you know that's kind of funny right first entire day of course at his labs yeah yeah
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was so nervous that night oh no and just yeah i deleted it so there you go truth's out nobody asked
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so i never had was that really you or was that something acting through you you know bro it worked
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out perfect it did work out yeah so we're in the woods and just real talk you know um got a camera
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have to ask him if he wants to even talk about it so there's nothing that you see in my movie bob
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airport it's late really late so i go stay at my mom's place in encino and all of a sudden my phone
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opportunity to raid them under that you see the word okay so then now so i'll put it i am convinced
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i'll leave it there so now they mirror his computer
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in these little collectors packs right that you can buy anywhere so you call them and you say can i
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if he ever did have possession he would never have it in michigan right you know what i mean so so there
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know like in your mind so so my point is that day you asked i just described to you that day that's
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friend we all want them to have what they want if it's good for him and for lazar it's peace right so
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going to make people more hungry oh uh come on bro you know that's true well or not i i so i see it
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flying fuck what you believe i know that's true and so i anyway just look um but all this is in the
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about the movie about me oh yeah right that michael made sure so i'm just um i think the reason to do
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it is so that um it's all out there it's honest it will leave people with big questions and they should
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right so okay let me start this again you're at the park bench you crack open the laptop you put
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i'm like and the the funny thing was this no don't change anything it has to be true and and and so
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some of it was a first of all we're talking about footage so when we've missed the mark
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so let's no i want to i want to talk about the footage first okay so the footage yeah you should
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have recognized some of it already i have yeah okay so that tells you that some of it was worthy
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like the truth matters and that's our duty as journalists so george and i did make a decision
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saw it and we made that decision so yes chris ramsey of course after the movie comes out
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sensitivity so i have to take time to make sure that i do no harm right that happens all the time
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to me i have become a guy that people do that now when a package comes torn it makes me wonder so i have
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adversarial government right so there we go i get a package now this is from the person who is head of
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which is pretty cool yeah what uh howard menzel would call yeah sure but anyway so then you're talking
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so that what i also found interesting is that there's phone numbers on the bottom of that did you
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because or an uppercut something you don't see coming right so the jab puts people at distance
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a little bit because they they have so many knockouts from those right so as a journalist you always keep
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away i want to i'll take a second here because of time dilation i'm going to put this phone this way so
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like would you say would it be a politician they're not not public so so the yeah the interviews that
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dirt on me so that they can manipulate that later or and also sometimes people just have a duty
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fuck dude i hope i'm doing okay all right got it here so epa form 2070-12 attached epa what does that
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aliens is used so flippantly here it's not biologicals it's not yeah you know extra tempestual it's
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paper to be shown is you're saying help you're saying so did you look at the file structures there
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were some that were like high confidence or verified uap there was a bunch of names in there so this one
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through unsecure fashions okay so right a document like that would come in that's an official document
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confidential into another confidential area you're reading between the lines yeah okay so there we are
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where it comes to a journalist so that's a big risk to take for yeah that's uh that's a crime here
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you smuggled something out of a skiff so that's real now the other side of the coin is i also know
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test it and go as far as i can and then i can't go any further without compromising things so i get to
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setting passage material okay there we go so for your audience and that that is also real
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this is not that right this is not passage material so now i am spinning i'm spinning right
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like bank account numbers to black programs you'd imagine so if i imagined that so this is not the
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biologics that are in this folder right so there's quite a few yeah cache number four wow cache number four
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mm-hmm so as time progresses you never revisit a cache unless you have to okay um
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so as you add to caches um your files grow bigger right so i think i have a little fear in me right now
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so i'm just i'm i'm not stuttering i'm trying not to stutter so i'm like trying to speak
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mouth no filter but i'm trying to put a little filter here so your core question is maybe why is that in
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those two important questions to you yeah those are both things i'm curious about okay so
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that is a true statement that is a factual statement so is this the bigot no this is just a piece of paper
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whimsical the whole you know symbiosis thing was so weird i don't even know what to make of that
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inorganic so you're saying you're thinking you're thinking synthetic like some type of like
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what are we talking about ai robot aliens okay so um they're how the theory goes is that
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so cybernetic if people have a dictionary because i don't know for sure but cybernetic would be this
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idea of an um like an organic compound that at its core is like a robot right so an artificial
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intelligence within a biological bag right so the idea with like the grays or whatever you know people
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often say so they're like basically manufactured beings right and they're cybernetic so they're they're
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means it doesn't leave that containment okay so even to the point we'd crush up the carbon filters and
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just swallow everything like yeah so it swallows everything so it's non-permeating it doesn't go out
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to talk to that are new faces right yeah so then you you collect this stuff and then you take it out
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figure out later and you take it i'd be like well so what's the deal what's the deal if it's a known
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that we're talking aliens here okay so if that was true right then i'd be like like how do you know
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like why is it so harmful other than i get secrecy but that's not what you're doing you're doing
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destruction so like why and they would say something exactly like because of its ability
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that one more time so i can verbatim understand that because of its ability to alter human dna
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kind of like an rna thing i don't know dude i'm not a smart pants guy i'm not smart guys so um all
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your questions answered by our guests which we post in the discord and then you can go see that so the
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i have seen it so have other people that you know and i'm not talking about one piece of footage
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before so i told you satellite footage or maybe i'm going back in time of of two discs going by an
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so was our entire intelligence community within the united states and so i feel like i've put pretty
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never supposed to see but you said clear as day those aren't clear as day clear as day okay so let's
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split another hair so clear as day clear as day to me is independence day like coming out of the clouds
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all ir stuff let's split another hair yeah okay so first of all you keep saying craft yeah i don't
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okay so that's your barometer so now i'm understanding your yeah color it has texture it has depth yeah so
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of like green so you think about through yeah so that's like an amplification of light a little bit
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something like full motion video so you would say that's clear as day because the capability of
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satellite to come in and like read a coke can they say in the 80s sure okay so that exists and
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so what you're looking for is full motion video there's this there's this video sorry to interrupt
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right and it's like blasting something but it's so clear it's like the clearest 4k footage you can see
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that is can you say the words immaculate constellation with me sure yeah okay so why do you think that is
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like this there should be let me walk you through it it's real simple okay so once thing so i i get
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we go um so i get calls from kids and their their one sole job is to look at live feeds of reaper
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of that there and these kids will say to me holy um you're so reachable i'm like yeah that's the point
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and we we don't know how to classify them what do you write so we debated inside of this skiff for
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we now have sophisticated ways this is the smallest thing he said to extract that data right so that it
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real world so during the height of the um drone incursions on the east coast there is a sensitive
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of the water in a bay with cameras near this facility that were so high definition that it's like perfect
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in the brain of a new a number of people remember during the height of all this so george and i we
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this person's in agreement that they trust me and george so we better not this up if there's
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and i just found out by the doe so think about that i'm setting you up for your answer now okay
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think about it so where does all why are we not seeing the good footage is your basic question
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so why aren't you seeing it chris because the pool is tiny unless there's some mandate to be honest
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department of energy that's just ours i mean that's ours no that's what i'm like dude there are so many
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there's so many limited people that actually have access to that that have motivation then will no i
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rock their world i would think so sometimes it really doesn't chris yeah well sometimes it does okay
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that's all i got for you man okay yeah yeah i'm so sorry let me back up okay aslan um
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and they're full on adults and they have to contend with that that's right so i can't hold that and i'm
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um this one i think is on everybody's mind so we'll go with this one here
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can i say more so you know it really bothers me i i've i've said more and i guess i haven't said it
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loud enough or clear enough um so yeah i'll say more again um you know i've already said how i came to
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like 2027 or 2036 you know leave a big window so everybody has to guess and if it doesn't happen 2027
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ryan you know um so was the person who told this to you it's not a person brother there's multiple
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reference 11 plus years of what's been said to me so i know exactly the mosaic of that information
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