We see, again, gods, demons, angels, whatever, coming to us with a body, even though they don't really have a body.
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So I don't really have a sighting, but my father was in the Air Force between 1952 and 1956.
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I don't really have a thing.
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People don't look at me and think, oh, Michael's the whatever guy.
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of consciousness, I don't really want to be cornered into any one position or any one
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Like I don't think you can truly even start to approach the truth being in that kind of
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But I don't think it's necessarily wrong because I do think that it is emblematic of deeper
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questions and confront, I don't know, deeper questions that are very difficult questions
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And I don't even know if they're questions that we can answer, but I do think they're
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Um, I often find myself thinking about how, you know, I don't think it's a coincidence
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Uh, just one, I don't know, to me feels, feels absurd.
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a body, even though they don't really have a body.
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I don't know, like, I, I just think that, yeah, it really depends on what your, maybe
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fear that we project onto something we don't understand.
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encounters, um, they don't have wings, but the emblems that are on some of these beings
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And there was, I wanna say a caduceus on the suit, but I don't remember what story this
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Um, you know, whether or not those are real, I don't know what to tell you, but he took
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So I don't know whether that's, again, you know, what is that?
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And if you, if you look at the, uh, carrot documents, I don't know if you've ever seen
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Five German engineered blades each honed with precision and better spacing so they don't clog
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I don't remember the name of the island, but then this eagle comes and eats his liver every single day and it regenerates and he's chained up there for eternity and just keeps getting this punishment
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And the thing is, is I don't know verbatim what he actually said.
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Right? I don't know this guy.
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There does seem to be an interest, just like we were saying before, among not just people like Heineck who are going down these rabbit holes and they become very esoteric and spiritual, but people from within the military industrial complex who presumably have knowledge that we don't have end up going this direction.
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And at the end of the day, he's like, I don't know.
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Like, I really don't know, but I know it's not simple.
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And I don't even think that's what we're talking about by and large.
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Like Don actually goes beyond simulation, which I love about him.
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That would actually degrade our fitness because we'd be getting overwhelmed by information we don't need.
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So that's one aspect of it is that it actually makes a lot of logical sense that we don't really need to perceive reality.
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Um, and that's part of this Don Hoffman guy's argument.
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I don't have an idea of how that could even be possible.
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Like you can't do things that you don't have mathematical concepts and equations for.
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I don't think we can even conceive of what it practically means yet because we haven't gotten to that point of applying it into technologies.
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Like if there is, if this is a simulacra or a simulation or the terminology Don likes to use as a headset, that this is like a headset, basically, an evolutionarily convenient headset.
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And so I, and I don't know if that's just the weird workings of the mind as it's shutting down for the night, or if that truly is having like a clear audience kind of just picking up information from the ether.
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I mean, I don't know what, but.
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Like we don't realize how many things are patented by Tesla as well.
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I don't remember what he was doing, but I know my friend MJ Dorian put a clip of this up on his YouTube channel of him telling this story about how he was causing an earthquake because of some, I think it was some electromagnetic thing that he was doing.
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And the police actually showed up and he's like, don't worry, gentlemen, I'll have it shut down in no time.
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I don't even know if they let him live today.
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I don't think they would.
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From, from the, from the POV of the hypothetical gatekeepers, whether we're talking about gatekeepers, gatekeepers, or just the government, the types of technology we can flirt with now, just coupling AI and I don't know, germ theory and everything else that's out there.
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Um, I haven't seen evidence of it, but I don't doubt it.
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And the fact that we don't, to me, signals that there, there had to be intervention.
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And I don't know if they're totally cloistering it and saving it as like a trump card or if they really are using it secretly.
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I don't know, man, but it does feel that way.
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Like even, even other conventional things we know of, you know, there, we don't have nuclear airplanes.
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We don't have electric airplanes by and large.
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So we don't disrupt their profits.
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We don't disrupt the economy.
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And I don't, we were talking about this before too, is that like, I really try not to gravitate toward malevolent versions of the conversation when it comes to the phenomenon.
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So that's one reason, but I also just don't see how it makes sense that beings that are so much more advanced than we are would really need to take a look at it.
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And I don't, I'm not saying I want to be, you know, some ultra terrestrials pet or whatever.
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I'm not saying I don't.
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It's like, just in the same way that if you were writing a computer program and there's errors happening, it's like, ah, I don't, I'm trying to do this, but that keeps happening and I'm gonna have to figure out a workaround for this.
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Maybe that's the thing they don't have in this other dimension.
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And, and I don't know, man, that, that, that's a whole separate topic.
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I don't want to lose my train of thought.
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That doesn't mean that it doesn't. You, you don't live for maybe as long as you need to, to see the result.
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So that's that sort of Taoist, there is no good, there is no bad. You just don't have enough. Um, you can't zoom out enough to see it. You know, where was that old story of the guy, you know, the, the farmer who lost his horse.
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And then the neighbor's like, oh, that's bad. And he's like, and he's like, I don't know if it's good or bad. And then he wins it back. Cause he like won some lottery and the, you know, the guy goes, oh, it's good. And he goes, I don't know if it's good or bad. And then his son rides the horse one day and falls off and breaks his leg. And the neighbor goes, that's bad. And he's like, I don't know, you know, I don't know what's good or bad. And then conscription came around because there was a war and they couldn't draft him cause he had a broken leg.
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So the neighbor goes, oh, that's good. You know, and so on and so forth. It's like, you don't know what's good. And so us, so for us to say something's good or bad, I think is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I think it's more of, does this help the model grow? And I think the answer is overwhelmingly yes.
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Yeah. Going back to weird lore and weird overlaps between esoteric and potentially UFO stuff. Um, there's one link that I don't hear people talking about very often, which I think is very worth exploring, which is, um, there's this whole sect of people who are interested in the phenomenon.
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I actually don't, I actually think that's a misnomer. I think the hyper-Borean aren't the Nordics.
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We don't understand some Stargate stuff.
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You have to eventually let go because after all the other stages of grief, you're gonna, you're gonna end up just being like, all right, I guess I don't care, you know, cause otherwise it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's all consuming.
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Um, but yeah, but those don't have to be mutually exclusive either.
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And then the man go, don't be silly.
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After you, they don't acknowledge him.
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They don't say thank you.
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They don't look at him.
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I don't, I think it might be in the alien agendas book, but it's a, it's, um, it might be Fazio Cardano.
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And these three, like guys who look like Greek sages walked into his, I don't remember where it was, if it was his house or where they were.
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This might be worth looking up cause it's a really interesting story, but I don't know if I could find it quickly.
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Oh man. So this is one of my favorite esoteric rabbit holes that I don't, I don't want to derail this story.
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Mm-hmm . And they're essentially like knitting together to the tapestry of fate. Right. And what they do is they don't let you pick whatever you want for your next life.
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So you don't remember whatever you chose. And this is by design, but you have the diamond with you who does know what you chose.
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So it's, it's really interesting from like a personal sense-making POV, particularly when you're traveling a weird life path, right? Like, I think it's true for everyone, but for you, for me, people who are creative and feel like, I don't know why, but I just got to do this thing.
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I don't know why I want to start a podcast. I just want to start a podcast. And then you just, every time you like a muse, it's, it's very much like the muse. Yeah. It's very much like the muse in that the muse inspires, but the diamond is sort of the, uh, guide. Yeah.
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And I don't know what, what name to put on it.
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Well, first of all, I don't know if I can, but I can try.
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forward, which is so for people that don't know John Keel, he eventually develops this
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are, they're from an extended layer of reality that we don't know how to sense yet.
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I don't know if that's true, but when I hear so many stories like that in, in a collective,
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I've got to just be like, okay, I don't need that one guy's story to be true or that one
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I don't want to be like, they're all the same, but they're all predicated on kind of similar
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And if you don't do this, I'm gonna like, it's a very aggressive kind of commanding a lot
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And there are some people who don't like this and they've, you know, softened it and whatever.
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And if you don't, you're gonna like, you know, I have the authority of God to do this to you.
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I haven't, I've dabbled a bit in things, but I haven't, I don't, I don't know, man.
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There's some lines I don't want to cross.
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There's some things I almost don't want to know.
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summoning in the sky, you know, some people don't like using the word summoning, but when
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I don't remember the whole story, but it's, but it's interesting.
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to appear somehow, even if it's unconscious and they don't know that they're doing it.
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That Australia is real, but I can't in good conscience say I know it to be real because I don't,
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I don't have that luxury of knowing.
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And I don't know what that word is.
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I, I feel like I've had, I don't want to paint the picture like I am some hugely accomplished,
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I don't believe, I don't believe, let me rephrase that.
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I, I don't think that the whole hitchhiker thing has any power unless you give it power.
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Well, because I, I don't, I, I think that that creates the reality too.
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And I think if you don't give it power, it doesn't.
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But I don't think it has to do with the geography of the place.
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I don't think it has to do with the history of the place.
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the ancients who did these unbelievable things, man, things that we still don't know how they
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Um, we still don't know what they were doing, but we know they were obsessed with the night sky.
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I don't think specific. I think you can make one up and, and if, if it's around for long enough and
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Yeah. No, I think, I mean, I definitely think that that comes into play, but I don't think
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the planet. And like, technically all of those things are true, but I don't think that that robs
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sort of, uh, chain of dominoes to try to explain reality. And I don't think you and I, either one of us
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I don't need a magic wand. You do. That's the whole difference here. That's the only difference here.
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antiquity and you're like, wow, I don't know what was going on here, but everybody was writing about
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uh, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I don't know. I just, I, I, I, I hear that and I go,
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And then we don't have a singular collapsing wave function here. We, we, we have a random
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the ritual is important, but I don't think the specific ritual matters. I think as long as
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about the same thing. I don't know because some, some, all this stuff is so hypothetical and it's so
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outside of my everyday experience. And I don't even like, I think the only reason I, I truly believe
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of shit that I don't know and had a lot of experiences that I haven't had. So I'm just like,
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I don't want to dismiss what they're telling me because I think that they come from a whole
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you know, might be, might be very, very important. I don't know.
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I think it is. Yeah. I don't know. Um,
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I don't know that it, I, I think it did, uh, in the immediate.
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And so I think that, yeah, maybe immediately I did have, um, a sort of clearer picture, but I don't know that what I experienced was that, you know?
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I don't know that what I experienced was anything like the afterlife or if there is.
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And I don't know what I experienced was an out of body experience.
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body and had the full blown Robert Monroe. This is insane. This is terrifying. I don't know how to
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Um, I actually don't.
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they were like riding his back. And I'm like, I don't know if I should skip this chapter.
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like, he is not negative overall. And he eventually kind of, in his, I don't know,
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I don't think I've even read the third book, but I know enough of the broad strokes to know
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Maybe it's consciousness. Maybe it's experience. Maybe it's, you know, I don't know. Uh, it is
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the, the more empathetic you become. I would, I would assume. Yeah. But I don't even want to give
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we used to have, but maybe that thing never existed. But I don't think so. I do think we used to be more
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out and men will believe mankind will believe that it's all nonsense. Like they don't even exist.
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archetypally true and it's not like, you know, I don't know. It's like, it's more of like a natural
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But this is like a South American shaman thing. And they're telling you don't eat pork, you know,
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don't eat too much salt, don't have sex. And there's, and there's more and less, um, stringent
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Yeah. They're like, don't stop smoking or drinking on account of this. Obviously you can't bring drugs
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So I don't, you know, but I mean, that that's, that's my opinion is maybe think about some things
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one of the advices they give you is don't make any life changing decisions for three weeks after.
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regard. And then we also know, we don't know for a fact that he was a Pythagorean, which again is
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they have this crazy epiphany and they go back in, they try to free the people. The people don't want
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