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The skiff. Look at this place, man.

Now, this is from the person who is head of cybersecurity at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

So this is not the only piece of paper that was...

And sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity.

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So in 2008, on the 4th of July, I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots and a current commercial pilot.

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And the field lights are on.

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It was almost like they came out of the lights.

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And everybody in the boats that we were both tied to and the boats all around us, we all freaked out.

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And ever since then, I've been obsessed with the phenomenon.

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I mean, I could say a lot of the same things about you, sir.

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It's the definition of a magician.

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To the common person.

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Or just the people not doing it.

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One and the same.

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I think fooling them is a part of the, is one of the ingredients in creating wonder.

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In fact, the best magic tricks is when people fool themselves.

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And the same could be said for a psyop.

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I like, I like the headphones.

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But then the headphones makes it so that you're kind of, it's like, kind of like blinders for your ears.

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Thanks for coming to the quote unquote skiff.

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Well, you've, I know you've been in a real skiff and, uh, tell me the difference between a skiff.

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So your question was, what's the difference of a real skiff?

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going to be breaking the rules.

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moment where you're like crossing the threshold, you know, you're in this sensitive compartmentalized

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It's, you know, you hear about the things that go on in the skiff and the things that

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are talked about are obviously of the most sensitive nature.

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But, but the lawyer, uh, in the movie, you said that the lawyer, that was one of the things he

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Um, I was supposed to testify in front of the American public.

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Was that the American public gets to see some of what I've seen and some of what George

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the difference would be no satellite footage because satellite capability is a like a submarine

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is is is really classified it's whereabouts and and the capability of satellite if you look at

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what's out there in the natural world is is very limited like extremely limited so no satellite

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let's say there's two ufos that swarm from the left of camera towards the right kind of make a half loop

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satellites looking at that so so strategic surprise is one of the greatest um threats that we

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participate with dealing with on a daily basis as as a nation and as five eyes so when you have the

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was intending to do and i guess now i've said it a little bit in the movie because the movie remember

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is a compressed amount of time of course yeah so you get like the sentence that means the paragraph so

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game of cat and mouse of like okay if i had seen anything that the american public should see specifically

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and there's no reason why ufos should be the existence of ufos should not be classified nothing

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about that should be classified none that i can think of now when you get into the implications and

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the technology 100 like you know nuclear science exists but can't give you the codes on how to right

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say is not important so saying is not important for me it is giving and showing 12 assets now the thing

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is and here's the dance how do you get into a locked room and you're a puzzle man so maybe you figure

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briefed on the ufo stuff has never been shown a video in a skiff no i didn't say that when i'm working

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on ufo cases or alien encounters the issue isn't just missing or blurry footage it's that anything i try

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where you sort of define the shot almost like a director would and then you take that frame and you

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extend it into motion by choosing the camera movements the lenses and even the actual camera

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that's what keeps everything consistent same scene the same lighting same characters same locations

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same perspective just different takes of the same shot and for what i'm doing it's actually super

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important to try and remain as accurate to the story as i possibly can and if you guys want to try

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it out i highly encourage you to check it out right now i'll let the link in the description and let me

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publicly to the world that that footage has passed in front of your eyes uh-huh but you don't have it

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is that the american public has to see what i want to show them because my words don't mean shit

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i mean they do but like that's not the point of why i got nothing really to say yeah of course

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so how do you get in there and bring something because by the time you're bringing something you've

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journalist the obtaining is fine obtain and release i've never leaked anything in my life

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for better because they trust you sure and the one thing i am worthy of is people's trust so here we go

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that can instantaneously be reverse classified even though it's once it's in the hands of journalists

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yeah it's already in the hands of journalists and they have a duty to to the public yeah yeah it's a

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i don't i don't need to testify in the american public but if i did they would see 12 things minimum

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but also filling up the fucking people they're going to testify going through this massive vetting

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process with each one i brought almost every single person you've seen in the uap hearing up there almost

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which is that these are the people allowed and must be in the room and you tell me who you want

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and i need to know their names now i need to know who they work for and and that's the thing about them

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is they they know that if they tell me a lie i will find out and that's been the bane of the existence

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of the doj and everybody every agency is that somehow through magic with like a fucking normal

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spelling okay this spelling okay the georgian i can do that so then imagine this all set up and by the

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this is the one where they had another journalist that wasn't george knapp at it before right right

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so it was for that and then what happens is i get a call i'm in the showers from a congressional person

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so i called my lawyer my federal lawyer who is chuck mccullough the third and in that conversation

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again the rule is nobody because they got a lot of staffers yeah nobody tells arrow and nobody gets

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to know but the people in the room and that's a trust thing and that's the way it should and usually

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unique ways that i have documented and can prove in the court of law in in what in like what way

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threatening about the unknown people that didn't test yeah these are the unknown people like how did

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repercussions or reprisals i said they went after them so that means a few different things play the

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and i i assume dylan borland as well um because of the you know the movie as well you know you hear

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like a month no so two months away no no may 12th oh may 12th is may 12th the bubble burst okay well

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you out in the parking lot if you don't shut up or is it more subtle is it like a little wink here and

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there or is it very overt like hey if you don't stop this we'll bury you in the desert like what's

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what does that look like help me understand right so it's insidious and that's the best word that i can

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dylan raised his hand and got all the way there and he testified so clearly i'm not talking about him

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significant operation to um entrap him with a false fictitious i don't know the right words just

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mm-hmm so that just started being opened by the time this airs it might have been i hope i hope exposed

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i don't know and and the reason i don't know is because my personal duty is to not harm where i live

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and by telling the world what people in our country did to whistleblowers and who's involved from the

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king all the way down to the soldiers that could harm our nation's in my opinion uh security you know

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we have dirty laundry right so i i don't know that's interesting and so this section of the podcast

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individuals i'm going to say because there are bad apples in a barrel right and the barrel is good

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yeah not to blame the whole agency right sure right so so what does that look like well i think the way

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you define for me in the world of magic there are certain key elements of like a show you broke some

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shit down for me this morning right um like what your language is do people spell the word magic the

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same way kind of like that depending on the agency each agency has a persona so you can you can say

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a cia persona feels like an orange mug that says the flying saucer okay odni is like a glass of water

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let's pretend the 16 in the united states right odni would be the top of that pyramid allegedly

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allegedly odni would have oversight in a pyramid all the way down to every intelligence agency

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within the united states okay even ones that can only operate outside sure of the united states

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is beholden or sorry beholden yeah i'd say beholden to the pentagon but i would i would typically say

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arrow is beholden to odni and i could be wrong by the way so i'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who

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has a great mentor i get things wrong all the time so i'm telling you now i believe this to be the case

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and it's got arrow underneath and arrows doing the the pressurization of somebody yep okay that's going

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to have a distinct odor feel and smell so the way arrow goes about it is they will have um for example

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a colonel and they will call for example um a navy an active navy guy and the active navy guy says

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be kind of safe about my words but like chief wiggins okay he testified to the world raised his hand

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active navy so then arrow after the fact under odni that is my impression they would call him

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that is beginning and then if he declines again and by the way when they catch you on the phone and

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to have they want to be able to shape the emerging uap narrative so they want to have control of any

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gotta put out the fires the no they need to do a contr have control of the burn so so that is one way

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that you apply pressure and that is the um inert way you know nobody can get in trouble nobody is

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getting in trouble this is a high level thing but what they're trying to do is spread a word on the wash

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that there are obstacles to you telling the truth right in the navy because the things spread like

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when i brought when i kept commander that's so subtle like it feels i'm telling you the subtle

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menacing and then the superior says well what happens because the navy's so they got the backs

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of their sailors they got the backs of them that's true that's fact about the navy so then the we'll

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declines again and the flex will be well we'll go to pete hanksath and then

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position yeah the secretary of war okay so that was their flex which made me fucking laugh i got it

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my sense of humor back when i heard that man because that is the worst possible flex they could

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possibly do because it's such bullshit yeah so now we're in the thick of that that's like i'll tell the

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teacher no well sorry i hate keep saying no but um yes and yes and um we are going to get the teacher

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to sit you in the corner and you will fucking answer and you will interview with us even though

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you've already said everything to the american public that you fucking know and that's the end

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of story because they're trying to create a message that then flows through the navy now that is the

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play the tape back okay so that is like the most simple version of inert right now you've got we're

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inert and we're going to move to um i think we'll move to covert okay so so covert um or should it was the

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you get a call and on the other end of that call is we are going to fucking kill you

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read the room okay funny story about auntie but anyway they can read and there is a violently

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you know it's fine so you are so used to this that you go to the bar because you know all the locals

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10 years never seen this guy so you buy a beer and you put the beer down right next to the guy

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and the the the mask the charade just like vanishes totally unmasked right totally unmasked and you

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happen to have a reporter watching who can read and the individual says something exactly like

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yeah just down the road but like that

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sure okay so i'm not trying to be evasive give me the soda could you could you take this guy in a

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and they follow and he notices that the guys because he's not like a trained guy and when he

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notices he walks up into the woods not yet he walked up into the woods oh that's creepy yeah

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what did you say um fuck uh the exact words were um like watch your back or something or was it

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no i think what i said was i didn't say the exact words you said i don't recall what i

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no like when he said you know i live down the road you called him out on it right did he say anything

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all right um i i will do a disclaimer about my my brain uh at the later that's fine my memory no

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to keep explaining um you know your your the way that you interpret how your brain works or anything

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watched the movie um which by now they would have um they'll get a glimpse into who you are okay and how

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have to feel the need to stop and and address it all the time okay but you know i usually have a pen

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gave you one which is like the calls then i gave you one where the guy kind of starts off covert and

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then is over yeah now i've got another one for you to show you where the lines start blurring

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understand the meaning of that pin right and so that is overt even though yeah nothing is quite said

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now so there's another version we're getting into the real covert yeah we got to look around our

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best just i'm making sure the camera's rolling i know so i'm giving you cover yeah okay i'm trying

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to be he's making sure the cameras are still rolling there's a brand new cameras chris ramsey

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that's right that the screen's gonna go out okay boom all screens going okay so so now we're kind

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of blending the covert over you know you said brass knuckles um sure people get beat up they get

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killed all the time for what they know that does happen and that's not just ufo related that's like

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we have in the mob there are thugs all over right but in the mob you get killed simply because you know

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that is also a message to the people that need to hear the message

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gets killed so the worst thing you could do is um like stab dylan borland in the neck 20 times

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hurt somebody yeah then the best way to do it is covert should make them go away no that's remember

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that's a big message oh it's a big message too right so it would be covert and the best way to get

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the first place for other jobs you have to be a little bit of um sociopathic tendencies to be chosen

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not loose cannon they can't have that um ask that guy that was in prison from the cia um that dude

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because he told the truth to the world that we were waterboarding and torturing people so he served

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out of choice four years in prison as a cia guy for you know disclosure going on the news of this fact

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because it was the right thing to do and he'd do it again right so kind of reeling me back in to the

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all that needs to be done is to instigate quietly poke prod in flame and then that person gets the

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um is is there anything that leads you to believe that that is the case or is it a hunch no i know i i i

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by like some credible so the answer is yes okay hold on let me process the time dilation and if i can

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ever be clear on this yeah just let's pause the podcast right now i mean let's keep rolling but just

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that's the agency you can imagine but so imagine i mean there's not too many agencies here imagine you

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paid the 300 to get that ad in there and that sucks because because then you realize america's

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not what you thought it was so let's reel it back so the person who paid for the ad is a member of an

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prove that okay okay so but yeah whatever it doesn't matter sure um but but here's the deal but that's

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pretty significant yeah it's very significant to me in my understanding of the world but let's get back to

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the chris ramsey threat and my mom and my wife so you're sitting there and the fbi is informing you

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but they kind of tell my mom what's up right and the thing is is that they really can't protect you

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have personally experienced it but let's talk about the other witnesses and what's happened to them

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he went public oh yeah was um i would say it was very clear that the people didn't want him to come forward

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very clear and in the interview that you released with matt and both interviews with george as well

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um you it seems to be agreed upon between the three of you yeah that yes serious things have been

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we're always just told that we're never told the specifics is it because it's dirt is it like what

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as a real threat because it feels the same sure okay so to the person oh absolutely you you need

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recorded audio video pushed up to the cloud spread out on servers encrypted and then spread out so

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okay is the answer okay i want to answer your question yeah okay and then let's move to my movie

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so you the movie opens with if i recall with a cia veteran yes so let me let me show you the shape

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of the orange cup now which i said was cia okay yeah told you you were good at putting pins and things

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but i mean that's supposed to be the nsa okay yeah you know more than i do so here we go i mean i you

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know i don't know i just know that's a fact so you know the thing is people will get paid just to go

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talk to somebody just by like memorizing the streets of a small town right like you know they'll they'll

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memorize streets when i'm here you know but when it comes down to money so cia is the most covert they're

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the most um i respect their methodologies because they never fully say what they're saying until they

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then when it gets heavier and they can't enroll you and they can't incentivize you the next thing they

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proven to you and you were informed about that then if that doesn't work then the next thing is hey man

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we really want to look out for you and we are worried that just the bad guys you know like other

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fucking massage you know the whole thing you didn't read my profile you have to talk to me

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that to your lawyer like you know just the fact that someone was this close to you you got to

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know that happened now the question it and they affirm that that happened meaning you have your

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friend taking a photo of the instagram of the girl when she's talking to you so you then look

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at the instagram profile have her assumed name pass it on to doj okay so all of a sudden you've got

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i told you i'm going to be free because i put my cards on the table all 52 chris

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i might hold one but that card ain't even supposed to be in the deck

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that card's right here chris hmm okay that one's not supposed to be in the deck so now

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the next thing that occurs because you ain't buying that because here's why tell me if you already

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and the people that have trained officially and are part of it know that it exists and it is the

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hyperbole no i'm speaking of hyperbole oh there's no internet under the ground no but i mean time

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all right you're not just entertaining my psychosis here no okay perfect i i'm outside of the scope

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it you know moonwalk from z to a sure but i'll just finish this this is what you said the word hyperbole

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at all times it's the upside down you don't see it and it's happening all the time around you and the

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only time it percolates to the surface or there's a puncture and you and you see behind that veil

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always takes phone calls on speakerphone for the last uh more than 11 years now and and and he's

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important but the only time that we as normies see a penetration or a poke like the the ancient greeks

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used to say stars were hummingbirds that would poke holes in the firmament and that's what stars were

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right the only time you get to see that i get to see that is when it's too late when when you've already

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crossed the rubicon otherwise you have disbelief you have the word you said which is a weapon which

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is paranoia which i have never been one day in my life like the word conspiracy theorist is a is a

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funny again because they should be i agree yeah so that that's just now that we've done the heavy

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know i know it's well it doesn't seem easy to talk about and especially you know after watching the movie

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um first of all congratulations is a weird thing to say yeah uh but i didn't make the movie no i know

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but the michael lazowski made the movie well the movie is uh really good watch i i the art yeah the

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want facts you want specifics like sure i feel like in this movie the focus was more on the in-between

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moments and the in-between moments were put forward as the main moments and the main moments were kind

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of brushed aside and i think that that's a director or filmmaker's approach to trying to find the

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it is hard for people because people now you're conscious of the camera and so you become self

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conscious and all of this so one of the i get it yeah so a great way to go beyond that is you know this

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is something i had a i had a tv show we did one season of and i was the executive producer and the

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creator of the show and i remember we were doing some sort of hidden camera stuff because we wanted

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to do if they're cognizant if the camera's around so what we would do is uh the camera would be filming

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while he's still filming and then we get the real moments because a lot of the moments we were like

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what'd you can you describe what happened in that magic trick and if the camera's there they go

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were like cut this out motherfucker you left and you left the room no in the to me and in this movie

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sure you want so what happened with john lear yeah with john lear it was much of the same the first of

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capture the movie did you see a glimpse of his laughter yeah yeah you did okay yeah yeah it's

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hasn't come out yet this is the first time that i'm talking about this movie and i don't know if

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know me and i have a purpose and i use the camera like a weapon so if i go on a new show i use that

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time like a weapon and then i know the camera's going or whatever but it's never about the camera

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question why do you think that a camera inhibits acting normally or whatever the word you said was

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do we have fear about the way we're perceived it's fear of not being loved okay hold on give me a my

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hated and ridiculed same one in the same thing i consider the same thing yeah okay so we're saying

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the same thing yeah oh so agreed now we can move on yeah okay um so i mean that was a really nice

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thing to watch unfold is these in between moments uh there's a moment where john lear's stuck in the

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kitchen with his wheelchair is that my head and then you go on with the wheelchair so the reason why

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i don't fear the camera sure is because i learned from the first time i pointed it at somebody

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that in fact the opposite is true that sometimes when you put a camera on someone

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if it's that kind of person it's like a pressure valve the first time i opened a camera on someone

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started for me on this end of it and i realized that that's the kind of person that i want to interview

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because i'm learning the stuff that is not supposed to be said or they felt it wasn't and it was like

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healing it's cathartic and i put that in a little box and i buried under the ground and and that

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i'm just making sure it's in the i know but finish the movie yes but that's what i'm wondering if you're

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lear said that so here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side i realized

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this camera is a passport but i also realized that you have to act the trick to being trusted is to

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actually be trustworthy the only problem with trust is it doesn't end once somebody trusts you

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you have to continuously reinforce prove it show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high

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right now no preparation and i will give you i'll show you the receipt but i brought i brought a

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and you know because you've had your own miracle in magic but you know that there's impact in the

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receipts you would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world so what

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have been the person to break that story in the big scale and everybody including fravor started telling

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contagion and that spreads and it's that this guy can keep his mouth shut because the biggest part of

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telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them so now with the camera situation

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personality as well because all you know you're clearly someone who has an ability to you have the

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gift of gab whether you think so or not you have the ability to tell a story in a very entertaining manner

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where people lean in they do okay and some people and this is for the people out there listening some

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people might think that's only for the camera because it's the only time you get to see jeremy

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corbell gotcha uh but i've seen jeremy corbell without the camera and i think everybody who has met jeremy

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outside of camera land understands that you're the exact same person yeah this is you off camera too

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like you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who i am kind of deal and

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then the last half hour is like that's that's the stuff that's what i think i didn't make the movie but

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trustworthy and then i realized that towards the end he shows you some and i think it's important

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and i think that's why he set up the movie like that but you're gonna have to ask him sure because

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for me i don't have the same experience yeah there's there's a there's a few like really interesting uh

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artistic choices as well the lighting the music like okay so let's pick one so like i noticed the

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hands right so at one point um i throw my hands up as a young kid and he cuts immediately to the

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no way he's like can i just have the drives i'm like i ain't gonna trust you you come into my life

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is a choice the first time after that it's it's repeated so i gave him 20 years of footage and 99.9

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out and i was like what the so i gave him 20 years of my footage then he stuff started happening and

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he's like dude we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i said we're not doing that and then he's

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like we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i got to trust you it was a trust exercise so that

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kid i just want to not get off him yet michael lazowski right out of afi i think is the term like

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one restriction on him for the movie and i like leaving things undone so you stay curious and you

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should ask him what the one condition i had was for him to make and use my 20 years of footage

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you know he didn't cut around the fact you're cracking beers during this movie and you know someone

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know that to be good because the last thing you want is a puff piece right you know if you like oh

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that's not real no that's not real correct exactly and this really showed it really showed all the

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being like oh yeah that's chairman now i gotta kill the guy or what what do you know okay no you gotta

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playing bumper cars in the kitchen was one of the one of the highlights for me when you know it

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to be there you know and you see you're fluffing up the pillows for him when he's shirtless on the

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he was a true friend to me in the capacity that he could be he was limited in some ways

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um towards the end and it made me really sad because even when we were friends he'd get really

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mad at me and like yell you know and i couldn't find the voice messages for michael's and one thing i

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couldn't find um but he would because you know everything in the movie you see is actual that

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was the first time i drove to his house was we put the first time in because we said we're showing the

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first time so that was kind of i'm going to give you a hint that was kind of the only condition

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that is down to the voice message of him telling me to get philly titans because now now you're

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that was the only thing about michael because the thing about me with movies i've always wanted to make

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one that with people i want to make one that seems real and is real but has a weird undertone of the

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perforation and the hummingbirds touching the firmament to look like stars but i've never done that

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i went in on the you know skinwalker movie which is perplexing and then lazar so i've never been able to

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this character that john lear had been chatting with the the guy who told him about the afterlife

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i forget uh the mr mr sleeper that's right was it mr sleeper or that's a sleeper or whatever it was

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i like that yeah i don't know uh sleeper by the way he is an absolute sweetheart sure i feel kind of bad

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that's the one part of the movie i feel kind of bad about because what michael didn't say in the

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lies to make the other and the other one knows that they're lying so lear is dying yeah and lear

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sure he gave him a ticket so i felt like that was a knowing lie i hope that's how the movie portrays

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it because what happens is in reality too sleeper is a really the limited exposure i have to very

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when i that really ungrounded me and in comes the anchor like the news anchor who's an anchor

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moment where that guy where you set the camera and you have him walk into the hotel and sit down

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yeah of course i just like that the the artistic choice of leaving that in versus starting on the

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talking head understood sorry did you start on the talking head that's what everybody does

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what we're talking about and then we cut out his entire interview all we took was the authentic walk

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in the sit down the trying to act normal and that's it and i i thought that was really uh endearing

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you know what you're going to get it's not at all what i thought and i liked i liked the surprise um

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there you know there's all this going on yeah there's the edgar mitchell stuff which i thought was

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mitchell and john lear and you know the mutual respect which he talks about but also this sort

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of like disagreement on the moon landing for obvious reasons um which which is interesting uh you have um

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tinfoil hat at the atomic testing yes and in the back oh yes it's it's it's it's lear and and

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it's a top hat that is a tinfoil hat at the atomic test museum and somebody says something like is

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there food here so he's eating because that's that's the truth that's what was going on and then

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and also because i just haven't watched the movie much but i believe nick pope is sitting far away

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um the hour and a half phone call where he made me sit in a room with his psychic on the telephone

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hour and a half which he knew was being recorded as an hour and a half of me sitting there and the

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psychic who felt like a charlatan to me was trying to convince him i was the reincarnation of his son

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who had passed away oh my god bro it's on tape play the tape back moonwalk zeta i'm just saying there's

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atomic yeah it's uh what's the uh what's the old paint they used to use iridium yeah

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home uh you know which is really you know kind of shed some light on you know the the figures in this

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i didn't know what to ask the guy what a great opportunity yeah and it was reuben langdon who set

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that all up and reuben langdon did the citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013 he is the the force

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behind it he is the producer the citizen hearing a lot of people you know point credit to a bunch

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all this stuff i'm not ufo land can wait reuben langdon is the unsung hero of the citizen hearing

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that does the interview yeah and yeah for those who don't know about this interview you should

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definitely go check it out but this is the one that danny sheehan refers to as well about this

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alien he saw uh what he perceived to be some type of extraterrestrial on the other side of a glass

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it was told to us like this is the last chance and it was like a family member of his who kind of made

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where he needs a machine we get him in the room he does this interview and goes right back to the hospital

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it that's always an option okay but i believe from knowing the guy for this much time and being in that

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went against the wishes of his most beloved for the fundamental reason of religion she was against it

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her religious views and he is there and he does the interview that's his mic drop then he dies that is

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one deathbed confession that saw the light of day now i've been in many of those exact experiences

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what people might not yet understand until the words are spoken and hopefully they do is that

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just that you you keep it secret tell you c-a-n-t can't okay because it's not just the person talking

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if people have access to the closest guarded secret in human history that has been held back from the

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they will be quiet they will not be the ones you expect and there's a reason they're put in that

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their father's fathers were trusted with a secret now here's the rub that person dies

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yeah that's interesting the the the nepo situation in the legacy program what does that word mean nepo

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of course but but for the most part you know sometimes better than their dads at acting yeah

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the thing i've noticed i got a musician friend and his dad's got a gigantic

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you if i certainly want to go back to ufos um am i derailing you no okay no i like this i like the

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to to to be quite frank in the words of um rick rubin the audience comes last right did he say that

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yeah what a genius because you know you got to think about the task at hand you got to think

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you do that the audience will love it hopefully right but even if they don't it has to mean something

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so okay and love the audience by the way yeah yeah i'm not trying to be a dick to the audience i think

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yeah that i'm seeing outside of the closed skiff here uh your brain that i have been uh beholding

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not a nepo baby so all of this is your brain and and you're gonna say and the the team of people i work

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it's the same trajectory exactly yeah so these are all manifestations of a singular thing that all those

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this is the pro interviewer who turning it on me i thought you said we're just talking we are just

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which was really interesting and you know there's that moment where you're in the woods with bob

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is a witness to that in the the the container that the 115 was held in um was on the mantle

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of one of the interviews that george knapp did as like an easter egg it was next to some aerogel

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real genius the movie so this is straight out of that so lazar does a test right um it is no secret

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that at one time bob bizarre had obtained a piece of 115. so yeah in in the movie where i fast forwarded

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there's a lot that the world will never hear i don't think unless bob says it but like there's no secret

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really awkward thing and i'm there it's late at night and there's joy and the pups and we're there

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and i'm in the living room i remember this and then finally i just said bob like why why am i here

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and he goes what do you mean and i'm like are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the

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world can hear from you and not the about you from other people he goes of course that's why we're

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like he was ready to throw down for himself and you have to rewind the tape bro i mean he had never

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that knows him because he's bob he doesn't feel the need he doesn't feel the need to prove to

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we walk into the woods and you know woods meaning like on his property there and this was the day

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him by the way um my car just uh took a that night and it's never to be retrieved again i tried for six

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took a shit never get it back and when i say took a shit i'll tell the truth i think i hit delete i

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out perfect it did work out yeah so we're in the woods and just real talk you know um got a camera

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you know put the phones way way way way far away we talked about a lot of stuff and that's for bob

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the movie since i put it out but that clip and others i've put out that were kind of hit the

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it was in michigan and i pack up the camera say goodbye get on the plane get home i arrive at burbank

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bam bam get some photos photos are of an fbi raid i'm in the bathroom like all that stuff that's

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covert because that was the second time they raided bob's house at least at least right

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because in new mexico they raided they raided him and the the the reason that they gave was like

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the reason they were able to do that was because they were being do-girders and said well we got

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this company and we're shipping all of these things and we might as well file the paperwork because

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i think there's a new law coming they were ahead of the curve yeah and that exposed them to the

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opportunity to raid them under that you see the word okay so then now so i'll put it i am convinced

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client he might have the client list if you talk to anybody in the fbi which i called a bunch of

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friends in the fbi and i asked them is this usual nope is this normal nope is this protocol nope you

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your site you sell this but by the way it's this tiny little sliver that couldn't hurt a fly like

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have the list of your clients and what exactly what they ordered that are associated with this federal

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was the day before and the day of both his home and his business had the opportunity to be surveilled

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hmm something happened that day in those woods that didn't make sense until you play the tape back you

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what it was it was a realization moment for all of us for me for george knapp for bob because the

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hilarious thing that you don't see is um later in the woods in that footage i don't think you ever see

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that was like that sentiment was recorded yeah at the very end of that in the forest i've never put

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the worst thing he could do is let somebody make another movie about him it's the worst thing he could

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do or is it the best thing that he could do and i'm going with that yeah i think i think you know

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let's get it all out of the way let's go into the base i'll reconstruct the base for you the ship

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the flame of people's curiosity but i also think it's a valiant effort on his behalf and a very brave

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that and this is before the movie comes out yeah we're going to know by the time this airs if it was

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and that's bob's number one reason for coming out in the first place in 1989 was george

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appeases people who just uh nag him for more information perhaps appeases a lot of the skeptics

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out there who had questions about certain aspects of the story he doesn't care about that no but also

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you know good riddance if if that's the case and if they're uh they'll never be satisfied but if

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some of them you know end up if i could say this you know and the movie's been as people have seen

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it but anyone on the fence anyone on the fence at this point watches that movie and goes oh no i

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haven't seen it yeah and i don't know and you will see it i know but anyone on the fence is now you

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know you've no reason to be on the fence anymore okay that's cool if the movie does that yeah but

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be horrible for you because the questions will never end i i do hope that he maintains a sense of um

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bobness you know in the sense of like he has what he needs which is peace like i don't think he gives a

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flying fuck what you believe i know that's true and so i anyway just look um but all this is in the

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past because the movie's already out time dilation and uh and it's already out there and and and bob's

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doing well yeah you know yeah we could say that because we're in the future now and bob's doing well

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um i can relate to it in the sense that the only reason i'm letting this movie come out

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about the movie about me oh yeah right that michael made sure so i'm just um i think the reason to do

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obviously the culmination and the pinnacle sort of moment the the critical mass of this movie the

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now you're sitting in some abandoned park you crack open the laptop i remember and now we get to see

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and here's the interesting part too this is a little subtlety to you know how guarded you are about this

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information we're only seeing an over-the-shoulder view from the camp we're not seeing the actual footage

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camera on your laptop versus you're wrong you do see some footage in the movie you just forgot oh you

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see the whole footage i thought it was just cropped in sort of no no you see some some you see some

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no you you see the footage but and it's not about the footage yeah but you don't do you see the actual

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do okay yeah i'm remembering now my bad because a lot of it was like sort of over the shoulder but

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right so okay let me start this again you're at the park bench you crack open the laptop you put

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the usb key in now we're seeing this massive trove of files that you've been collecting uh all sorts of

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very interesting file names i must have paused it 12 times to just look at the names of the files

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did you notice how i am dyslexic and misspelled the word three times i did not anyway i did

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i'm like and the the funny thing was this no don't change anything it has to be true and and and so

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some of it was a first of all we're talking about footage so when we've missed the mark

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so let's no i want to i want to talk about the footage first okay so the footage yeah you should

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concern that as journalists we believe we are living under the the first amendment right and we

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and that we have a methodical multi-year process not just to protect sources which is the a number one

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things protect the source especially when they do not but it is also like protect america but it's also

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like the truth matters and that's our duty as journalists so george and i did make a decision

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and you actually got to see the moment that decision was made that was real that happened just like you

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saw it and we made that decision so yes chris ramsey of course after the movie comes out

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there is of that will come out but you're seeing the tip of an iceberg of course but i want you to

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in america under the first amendment being a journalism uh being in journalism because um it's not just

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yeah you paused the screen didn't oh yeah oh fuck i knew people were gonna do that yeah and and there's

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a there's a note on the bottom of that uh shot as well which is um i forget what it says but it's

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something like to be discussed or okay i don't know what you're talking about you're talking about at the

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beginning where um i got a whole fucking treasure trove from no no that i saw because uh from the

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yeah but if you look at those documents um understand the premise sure i get stuff all the

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sensitivity so i have to take time to make sure that i do no harm right that happens all the time

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to verify that everything is exactly as is because then that just means it got torn in the way there

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adversarial government right so there we go i get a package now this is from the person who is head of

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that's what you see at a beginning early scene in the movie and that that's real yeah the aerial

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the old schoolers used to do is they took their ufo files and used to call them atmospheric anomalies

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about something else that i am not tracking that was in the movie because i think you missed something

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well i'm talking about at the end there's another file right was it kind of like gold or was it kind

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of like yeah paper yeah yeah did you read the words oh yeah okay talk and um it's it's it's it's alluding

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out yeah symbiotic symbiotic that's right yeah they were afraid that the aliens that the biosymbiotic

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alien whatever had infiltrated the local population which is inc is such a sci-fi thing to read what

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does the symbiotic relationship mean yeah you get something and you give in return and you're both

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kind of uh you're both getting something out of the relationship is that thing that goes into the

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parasitic oh thank god yeah i would say symbiotic would be more like the hippopotamus and those little

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so that what i also found interesting is that there's phone numbers on the bottom of that did you

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mean to not redact that well we redacted other things you redacted the names yeah well those

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because or an uppercut something you don't see coming right so the jab puts people at distance

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and everybody knows this bomb is coming but then the other ones the hook or the uppercut you hide those

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numbers or that's your uppercut or left hook the knockouts can i can i grab that screen grab real

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quick yeah i mean it's out i want to uh by the time this talk is it's out that's true yeah you can read

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no one ever knows now if the clocks are accurate uh let me go because that clock's supposed to keep

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gives people a reference to when these conversations happened just like the bob lazar conversation i had

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recently people will see on that if they you know watch that if they look at the clock and pay attention

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the skiff look at this place man

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what's uh who's your most evasive interview while i could pull this up i mean it was the first two

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years of filming john lear is the most evasive okay but who's the most evasive interview of somebody

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like would you say would it be a politician they're not not public so so the yeah the interviews that

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are the most evasive are like my everyday i eat them for breakfast lunch and dinner i call people

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who are in the intelligence community and they have a job to do and sometimes they're trying to get

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you know but the most evasive are like when an intelligence agent calls me up with badge contact

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and they tell me they're going to do something really great for ufos they're going to find the truth

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find out what's going on even if i you know don't get to the last answer it's when they try to entrap

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me with false information to see where i put it that's the most evasive conversation because they're

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or other biochemicals have been disposed of at this site and to determine the presence and or extent of any

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soil and groundwater contamination that may be the result of materials disposed of at this site

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aliens that sounds like something out of a bad science fiction novel like it's crazy exactly the word

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people would probably figure that one out like the online sleuths what year right i'm not asking you

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paper to be shown is you're saying help you're saying so did you look at the file structures there

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going to say the word with the big c is confidential because i'm not qualified to say the other c word

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confidential into another confidential area you're reading between the lines yeah okay so there we are

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no the other side of the yes it is a crime the other side of the coin but not by me sure no no but

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you smuggled something out of a skiff so that's real now the other side of the coin is i also know

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from personal experience not in this case because uh the duration of which i sit on material and bullet

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a point where i have to stop okay the other side of that coin is that i also know not a prank i also

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and i'm like okay this is not passage material but that's too on the nose what's going on i don't

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like bank account numbers to black programs you'd imagine so if i imagined that so this is not the

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and is that is that what we're seeing at the end of this frame here is that like all these other

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thoughtfully and that's hard for me sometimes what you see is what you get dude from the heart to the

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the movie for what purpose and the other core question is probably do you trust it am i accurate are

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means that i know i allowed it to be in the movie because i think it is worthy of public discourse

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and investigation and i have reached my limit for now and i am hoping that with the tiny bit that is there

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we're going to learn what's true and not true about that page is this the biggest

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not been a part of the release of that document you all you see is a page on a movie yes but if this

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that there's when when i say there is an army of whistleblowers ready to come forward i went on the

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that is a true statement that is a factual statement so is this the bigot no this is just a piece of paper

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you know those old mj12 documents those oh yeah that just read like yeah they're you know the psalm

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whimsical the whole you know symbiosis thing was so weird i don't even know what to make of that

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what are we talking about ai robot aliens okay so um they're how the theory goes is that

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intelligence within a biological bag right so the idea with like the grays or whatever you know people

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means well i don't know not an organism look you do the math what i'm telling you is that there are

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create lists and the lists if it's unclassified material it's a very specific type of thing 3.3

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it permeates out whatever the word is okay um um there's a word a really good word and it basically

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means it doesn't leave that containment okay so even to the point we'd crush up the carbon filters and

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little club and they'll walk in with like a full-on hazmat and where's the bathroom i mean it's like

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right out of a comedy right like where's the bathroom and then like people inside they don't see

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the sunlight a lot in a lot of ways you know they're they're really but if you're in there you must be on

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the level because if you're on the level you wouldn't be if you weren't on the level you wouldn't be in

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you know what i mean how does that whoa that's pretty cool where's the bathroom again but they

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let's say to doug way um the town there's this burner out there and you got a list that doesn't say

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shit because it's you know because the classification and you just you know you wouldn't really know tons

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of you know all the chemicals you deal with you know organic and inorganic compounds which we'll

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figure out later and you take it i'd be like well so what's the deal what's the deal if it's a known

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keep their mouths shut and human beings are the greatest leak to security than any document photo

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they appear to be but there are consequences and sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel

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that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs

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and that's what's at stake with the ufo game all right jeremy thank you we're going to answer some

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questions from the audience easy question all right this is uh it's part of the membership here if you

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join and become a member one of the many perks that you get is you're able to potentially have one of

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your questions answered by our guests which we post in the discord and then you can go see that so the

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neither do i because i don't know the question it's a good question the fuck oh

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by gislay says what would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't

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be the only one really that understands all cards on the table fuckhead

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it's gonna me but the lights are bright in this skiff

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okay no armor what would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't

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adversarial nation's ship submarines are way more sensitive by the way these are discs

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of instantaneous motions the first time in your life and mine and the world's that publicly there's a

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the public to bullet test that theory because our own government believed that that is a display of

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instantaneous motion that's the piece that definitely they you know whoever the controllers didn't want out

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the others were like balloon tests here's this here's that here's this here's that that one is

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so was our entire intelligence community within the united states and so i feel like i've put pretty

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good steps forward for people man you know um no one piece of footage has ever convinced me it's the

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crushing weight of the cumulative footage and i hope the public gets to see more and better i'm gonna

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want i want like clear as day basically given the public with george knapp 13 assets that you were

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split another hair so clear as day clear as day to me is independence day like coming out of the clouds

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like what have i seen because the i for me it's more about like what the craft looks like because

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are of the triangular nature well yeah sure there are there's triangles there's tic tacs there's ovals

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is the overlay of a bunch of types of sensors where then it creates for you night or day a clear

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full high resolution image example the mosel orb yes that's a great high definition image right well

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you've got thermal which is heat it's sensing the heat you have i well it's ir but like you think

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something like full motion video so you would say that's clear as day because the capability of

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satellite to come in and like read a coke can they say in the 80s sure okay so that exists and

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right and it's like blasting something but it's so clear it's like the clearest 4k footage you can see

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and we're seeing this from an airplane and yet the footage that we get is like uh why do you think

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that is can you say the words immaculate constellation with me sure yeah okay so why do you think that is

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um immaculate constellation i'm with you right i i don't know i don't know why and that's part of the

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calls i i got a call i need to walk you through it if you want to know the answer i absolutely do here

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of that there and these kids will say to me holy um you're so reachable i'm like yeah that's the point

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years i've been you know had this job and this is the first time in 10 years when we saw clear as day

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four three four hours we finally come up with the designation and we're writing it down and we just

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want to replay it one more time and for the first time in 10 years you normally can go back in 10

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almost real time i go back to thinking what matthew brown said if he's telling us the way it is and if

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he's right which are two different things the way it is is he understands if he's right and he said that

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we now have sophisticated ways this is the smallest thing he said to extract that data right so that it

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real world so during the height of the um drone incursions on the east coast there is a sensitive

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of the water in a bay with cameras near this facility that were so high definition that it's like perfect

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of the water rotates i think that's 90 degrees goes over this base and hovers for maybe 10 hours whoa

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goes back goes into the water and there's what's called the honeywell system okay at this that is

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used by a department of energy and then the honeywell system sits this file and it's like burning a hole

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in the brain of a new a number of people remember during the height of all this so george and i we

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contact fbi because they we see in the papers they they're being stonewalled and we say look we have

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no repercussions he wants to do the right thing for america then you guys in the fbi can we do this

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dance and finally it's like yes we can do this dance and the second that they said yes we can do this

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i care about and love understood okay when the agreement is made

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and i just found out by the doe so think about that i'm setting you up for your answer now okay

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think about it so where does all why are we not seeing the good footage is your basic question

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everybody wants to know that why aren't we not seeing the full motion video satellite full motion

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the number of people that have access to those 13 assets or whatever

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delivered in search of answers outside of the intelligence community sure but that high fidelity

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takes the risk personally

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so why aren't you seeing it chris because the pool is tiny unless there's some mandate to be honest

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is one man it feels like no no but you're wrong five hour video of a pyramid floating over the

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ways to puncture the truth oh i see it doesn't matter what you do i'm saying to everybody i've never

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solicited in my life i'm telling everybody don't do it there's other ways the truth can come out we

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don't need our government and our military to figure out the truth they don't know the truth

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and that's that's the bottom line bottom line is what do you tell people if you don't know and what if

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that's true yeah what if you kick a sleeping dog what happens then what does the dog do to you yeah

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the answer well join the club i know um and i'm not even that that frustrated i'm vocalizing the

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seeing the actual thing would like rock my world but a story like that for me kind of has the same

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see you got it makes me want one i'll give you the link what the heck do you feel there's any information

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ask george that question one day too see if he has the same answer and he goes no of course not

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because no i would assume he does too um this is one we kind of answered during the podcast but i

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they literally say to you sometimes like some of the intel guys when they're working against you they

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fucked up and there are cases the public doesn't know about and george and i are on a couple of them

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um and i don't know like you would probably well you mentioned that in the movie i did that someone

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i did yeah yeah there's a few people but um a couple things burn in the back of my brain

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everybody's butt mine or something planet earth the greatest show in the solar system

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type cause can you tell us more about the claim that the government will falsely say that a craft

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yeah back right right before um six months before uh the uh three-eye atlas became popularly understood

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that conclusion i've said it a billion times i'm not hiding anything about how i came to the conclusion

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i am not psychic i make the joke i don't know when my coffee pot's going to go off even when i set the

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time you know because i i'm i have no predictive ability um the reason i said that is because i was

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pressured for a long time for my mouth to be used for what i considered a false narrative the false

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that is the way that i was pressured to be used as a megaphone for that idea by the intelligence community

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which i have mapped out everybody connected to that one specific lie to the american public

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you know what's the words you used um earlier um acting sincere i'm just gonna say it like but

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i said i told the guy i don't think you want it in this show of yours but yet he puts it in thank you

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ryan you know um so was the person who told this to you it's not a person brother there's multiple

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have no idea who's on your podcast bring out the book i'd have no you know what let's not play that

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game because here's the deal i already know your question and um not overtly no to answer your question

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to say that with the same message the ex bro down to the down to the point where i have a catalog of

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seven books that i will not read because i've mapped out the network of people who have who said it and

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reference 11 plus years of what's been said to me so i know exactly the mosaic of that information

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i do not trust it to be actual and real in fact i know the origin of at least the mythology which

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don't have but yeah i just um look and again if i'm wrong who cares would be the greatest day of my

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but overlap the sort of blue beam you know narrative that uh stephen greer has been talking about as

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well where the government's going to you know fake an impending alien invasion in order to you know

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take away more rights for the american people um well i mean isn't that kind of what they're doing when

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when you have people from these agencies who are the government telling you that there's an invasion

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belief based on personal are you saying they believe it i i'm leaving open the possibility right

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that the reason this messaging has percolated to yours and my ears and the public's is because that's

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a personalized assessment based on the information that they have um it could be that right right i

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this you're never going to be told the truth straight by any government agency and not just because

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they don't know it because their job is to shape the emerging uap narrative to be able to utilize truth

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and untruth to their behest that is the goal and what's your goal my goal and what when their goal is

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to shape the narrative what's your goal oh my goal is to try to dig as deep as i can and find out what

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the truth is that's my goal jeremy corbell thank you brother friend thank you friend yeah appreciate you and

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health with uh the rest of your journey hope okay my hope is that this is the last time that i ever have

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play this game anymore yeah fair enough all right no wishing you all the best thanks brother

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