has i don't know where he is now because he wrote his first like basically he became known
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years i think it was easy to interpret all of his work as saying all of this phenomenon is uh secret
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different places as to like what i think is actually happening when we talk about ufos or now uap
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secret which is kind of a classic in the ufo field and uh it was the subtitle of that book that really
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ufos departments that i was looking into and uh ufo connections there and i thought you know this is
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like a completely like unofficial version of history here is this true or is this nonsense right and
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i'm going to spend two or three months of my life and i want to find out is there something to this or is
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there not something to this is this a waste of time uh like all of the other people in the academic
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community were assuming at that time or is there something here because here i was i was studying
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trivial claims and i just thought what i don't like is having a big question mark hanging over
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that uh this phenomena is uh being seen at uh such altitudes and over sensitive military installations
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we're being invaded so i read enough of these documents early on to think there's absolutely something that is at least worth
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jason i think you know who jason georgiani is right i had him on recently and he was explaining to me
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that doesn't debunk the roswell i think corso is very much uh stating that roswell did happen as
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a third possibility which is that you know when you're we're being all theoretical because like i wasn't
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a lot of these things material science uh i think notoriously is said to be one of the most important
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you know just the other day hal putoff is on rogan and he's talking yeah yeah and and hal has talked
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about the so-called meta material so what is the meta material it's this artifact that uh was sent out
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talking about but really what it seemed like is a kind of anti-gravity anti-gravity type of a thing so
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words this is really interesting to me because you know normally for years and years you're thinking
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creating this crazy like heart-shaped propulsion uh pocket right oh this is above my my pay grade
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astronaut and but he said to me look your your theory about the cover-up is not exactly right
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classified elements to this but there is also an element that is beyond government yeah and it's
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kind of nebulous like who are these guys is it all is it all think tanks and corporations or is it
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the reserves kudos for that but the the basic question is what so paul for people who don't
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i think the claim was that essentially like 30 000 foot view is that he was a conduit of disinformation
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is what was paul bennewitz actually observing so was he observing um advanced u.s defense systems that
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the uh history of violations of sensitive airspace of u.s bases across the entire u.s this is an old
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playing it right out of water they're going to be here in 15 years or something is that magic man i
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you know how they were doing the underground testing for they were mining uh is this a myrna
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hansen case is that there's a all this was going on at this time so there were cattle mutilations
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benowitz got like really really really deep into this that is for sure and uh he hooked up with uh
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to guard the secrets you have to be thinking what is our exposure here what do we have to worry about
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is if they shake the tree enough is something going to fall out of that tree that's really compromising
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all in the late 70s this all happened at once prong number one was foia prong number two is crash
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is probably true is you muddy the waters and you you um put out information that would
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sow the seed of doubt into documents and this is one argument about the mj 12 documents that came
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against paul benowitz that we were just talking about could be part of that as well this is like
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do something about that and which is the case like to this day new documents may come out and you've
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already got people saying is this real is this lies it's this disinfo it's amazing to watch it's very
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but yeah i mean it's we're going beyond ufos here or uap this is in a whole array of things i have no
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doubt but uh the ufo subject which is the one that i'm most interested in i think definitely
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that uh the national security crowd is just going to walk away from the table and say oh yeah here
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of uh ufo information to serve their needs or what i believe is we're looking at a factional struggle
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but to some extent but there's still the the secrecy group if we can call them that that is
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to that man but why is that he's worked very closely for many years with hal putoff he's worked
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defense intelligence agency he had run the dia and this is connected you interviewed stephen greer so
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who was uh head of intelligence for the joint chiefs of staff at that time this is april 1997
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and they give gives a presentation and wilson and i know this is absolutely true said i'm going to
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if you want but the short version is he finds a number not just one several special access programs
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that is ultra ultra secret programs dealing with et tech he contacts the managers of one of them
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private contractor we don't know that it was lockheed but that's what the betting money is so he goes
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to meet with them and he says it is your we're getting back to eric davis i promise you okay wilson says
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it is it is your oversight that i am not overseeing this program you need to bring me in you don't
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yes right and he finds out like this is they have a an intact saucer according to what they said to him
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who are allowed to be honest and it's like 500 people and wilson's in in uh is reading the list
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to be this is this is part of my purview and they're like no it isn't he says well i'll complain
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2006 and seven six seven 2007 and then um and i read the portion where wilson is telling davis
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it's italicized and i remembered reading it struck me like it's very profound you know this is not made
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like so eric davis is and he's also part of this legacy remote viewing program too right he was a part of
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put off he was with put off and and sarfati and all these sri guys is that right no i don't know
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we can get into that too i i'm not an expert in remote viewing but my wife is a pretty damn good
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absolutely amazing yeah it's amazing and it's it's real that is absolutely real yeah it was crazy
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davis is saying that yes absolutely but what everyone jumped on was uh unfortunately and this
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is not to uh to disparage lou elizondo because i personally like lou and i respect him a lot but he
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point is like all right people can make mistakes and maybe you could say like you shouldn't make
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okay but this is what excuse me you're hearing people have uh you know focus on i'm talking about
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with you today is what day is may 5th monday may 5th cinco de mayo baby yeah that's right um just a
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fascinating man who is this is a guy who is advisor to four u.s presidents including kennedy
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with jesse when you get it i mean everyone's like that up we're so busy no one has time but that is a
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there's a new a new one and i don't know how powerful this is or not but uh dr gregory oh man
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uh but he supposedly and look this has not been vetted i mean you know but this is all just new
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it was like from up there from outer space so it's it's a new story is it true is it not true i don't know
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yeah more and more new information is absolutely coming out at a rate that is unprecedented we've
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never in all of the history of ufo research and that's this is something i can speak very
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confidently about there has never been anything like the time that we're in now this is this is
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unprecedented and where it will lead is a really good question yeah yeah so so over the last couple
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yeah i get like this ufo fatigue um and then i also go back and forth between like is it really
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aliens is it time travelers is it darpa and like you know my recent thing has been like this is just
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nobody can no like it doesn't matter what the truth is because there's just everything's out there
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this phenomenon is from non-human intelligence the reason i believe that is i look at the earliest
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that we know of at the time in the 40s were looking into this and there just is there's nothing
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more and more support for the idea of a 1933 italian recovery right italian this is i think
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uh perspectives coming in on this uh the real man who researched this is an italian researcher named
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is so you you think the the fact that these cases or crash recoveries retrievals whatever you want to
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from elsewhere they've set up shop in some manner which i think is a total totally possible i would
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up with some version of warp drive mathematically the problem is finding the amount of energy
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is uh it's it's uh what's the word it's the perfect terraforming device it's one i think it's one
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exact the exact uh size comparison to the sun and the exact distance from the sun sun is equal so it
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it if if that's a significant part the fact that it's a stabilizer of our environment is very
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the distance the distance ratio and the size ratio find that and then it is you know it is the perfect
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that's that can't be very common now the universe is big enough that you could think all right maybe
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one out of a million systems might have something like this or whatever it is and that could still be
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this at all but i i tend to think that life anywhere is going naturally to want to increase its complexity
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is one necessary evolutionary adaptation that would be useful for any life form and not just humans
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forms they probably were intelligence is always increasing yes and uh you know our body plan just
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forms have done because i i suspect that that what life what intelligent life will do is it is guided
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the system and we're serving the system that is becoming ever more complex and and that intelligence will
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actually ever thinks that or if i'm the only person but this is what i i've come to believe like we serve
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in odor for over 72 hours even after 12 hours sweat was still reduced by 92 percent mando is known for
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because all that we do is we adapt to the environments that we live in and we are now radically changing
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probably uh a speeding up of of human evolution is probably happening right i think it is right
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going to look like uh the you know the problem with our future is that every every new technological
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uh is really it's something i've been thinking about a lot recently and it really came it was
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one of the ideas that i've been throwing around is the idea of like this this esp telekinesis having
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feel like that is radically we have senses that are radically have been diminished diminished and atrophied
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over millennia my wife and i talk about this a lot this is like our one of our pet theories that we've
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are uh the brain capacity of the human being today is less than it was among um our ancestors even more
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is this is material that i'm just barely i shouldn't even really talk about but you hear people talking
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in this solar system um all the different species that exist on earth i think out of so this is kind
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his most recent one but one of them is called the extra tempestrial model and he basically explains
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you know having a background in in this stuff and evolution is that there's 200 species of cat there's 200
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so we are like 0.0001 of all species human beings on earth so that is extremely rare for earth which is
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an extremely rare planet being such a you know having the moon the way it is being this having so
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same atmosphere the same how many of them are water worlds or not and what is the likelihood that those
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he's talking about but no i think that our body plan is probably not unique to us and i think if you're
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that you have to have is an ecosystem that can support enough diversity of life for this to happen
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agree with all of that i think that's entirely right but the fact that our body plan is an anomaly i
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don't agree with that i think our body plan is probably i don't really you know do we really truly
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understand what is the mechanism of evolution what is it really is it truly just random mutation or is
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way through adaptation through the need for survival and luck yeah but like this is if you're going to
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might just be the best way to do it because what you need is an ability to manipulate your
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than that i don't know of anything that's been better uh and then the thing is once our you know
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could break this stone wow this is really useful so that encourages further intellectual development
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just just just even napping stones is like that's a skill so you're working cognitively here and so i
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it's certainly less than 120. it's a one to 43 000 is the is the moon's ratio to the uh what the distance
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to the sun and the earth is similar at one to eleven thousand seven hundred i don't know what that means
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i don't know google what's the distance what is the distance of the earth to the sun
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island called adak island out there and there is a case from the summer of 1945 where a u.s
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really intrigued by it and i thought to myself this is back this is three years ago so in 2022
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good case that i consider good is actually only from 1717 so like 300 years ago it's a pretty good case
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it's like a little dance like where they're observing us we're observing them and and there is reason to
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you can still see things so like one thing i noticed is one category was i broke it down into
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websites where there's a lot of information so one is the national ufo reporting center that's run by
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which is nice because i'm not a mufon investigator but they uh they knew what kind of work i was doing
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are people seeing these uf usos for the most part is there is there is there one spot in the world
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where they seem to be most mostly condensed to or confined to and second second question is what
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is we're all like we live on the land we're landlubbers and so usually you're not out in the middle
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base which is most of them it's long along the coast that's where people about like um oil rigs
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there's quite a few from the gulf here quite a few and uh one of my favorite ones this is from the
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it's like a small city you know it's the best place to hide it really is the oceans are
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i think he's on our list steve he's coming on the podcast is he really yeah he's good good good shout
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the pressure is constant so that could be that could be helpful it's it's certainly protective
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like if you are from a place where maybe our solar radiation is not necessarily the right thing for you
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you come from somewhere else the ocean is a protective place for that it's uh temperature
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for hot spots so i'll answer that one is puerto rico and uh particularly i think i think uh all around
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who is reporting these cases in aguadilla or around northern puerto rico aguadilla yeah that's
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oh wow tilted so that's that is on is that northeast south is that oriented the right way or is that
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reverse it's northern plate is over here yeah so that north is to the right correct yeah yeah and
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that would mean that agua dia is where on the top left top top top right excuse me top right okay i
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are there military people that are reporting any of this stuff yes yes absolutely uh well reporting is
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a variety of ways yeah so puerto rico is one hot spot uh we hear a lot of talk about california's
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going into canada uh florida where we are is extremely very very active on all sides of the peninsula
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out of the amazon it's massive uh this is incredibly ecologically important and rich like estuary
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that is not necessarily an alien thing that this could be some kind of really uh like a diabolical
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i'm going to say something that's not accurate okay i see um but yeah this is look this is a subject where
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uh the name of the captain i cannot recall his name chevalier something uh he wrote in his log this is so
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there this is at um it's after midnight so it's dark uh there was i looked into this there was like a half
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he wrote in a very matter-of-fact way it was like 1717 17 17. wow yeah this is way before submarines
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obviously uh absolutely and uh the 18th century which that is part of that i don't know there's not
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in his log it's 1825 his name was andrew bloxum we've got his name his his um book is published
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very rational man and a very intelligent guy and this just is this one bizarre entry in his
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from uh is he what's that there i i found the story uh block sam with a with an x where is it i
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just found it oh you got it yeah well this is the story good good deal yeah any what does it got you
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got illustrations or what yeah i think this is the illustration of that event oh or at least it's
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deck of the ship by the way so fast forward about 150 years to 1971 okay this is going into my next volume
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uh and uh the uss john f kennedy aircraft carrier so is near puerto rico just saying uh they had just
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is a very involved series of uh exercises and they had just completed that it's 8 30 july 2nd 1971
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name is james copp with a k and he also reported this to a couple of other um websites uh at the time
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it's the end of the world so he's thinking what is going on he goes he's able to go out and look
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and he sees almost what is described in in bloxam's account from 1825 he sees a glowing orange sphere
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and you get this same type of glowing globular sphere wow yeah like what is that right what is that
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and it's not 100 confirmed but that's what i i think is probably the case but yeah well we the tic
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sound in the water so soviet submarines and i think this is most active in the northern atlantic
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apparently and wonder is this americans are they what is this is some kind of new technology we have
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kind of detection one of the things that just fascinates me about uh these usos is like whenever
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i want to feel what is it like to be there so imagine it's the cold war it's the 1960s or 70s and
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is my microphone am i okay here oh is he good see this up am i okay close a little bit just in case
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people if they do exist if there is anyone who has the whole picture the whole every piece of the pie
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could if that can exist knowing that right about 15 16 years ago i think i coined a phrase which is
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in uh the study of human civilizations is a very um kind of i i once read uh the condensed version
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something that is really not popular anymore he did these meta historians like he was looking at the grand
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progress of of human society and what is it that makes a civilization and so he did this comparative
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study of human civilizations anyway i was reading that at the time this is 2007 2008 and um i thought you
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um based on roswell tech or whatever other advanced tech that is kept secret but we had examples
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but could you develop i i asked myself based on ufo tech that is kept secret
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day you know and you can't really talk about it so that i think is probably that was my my vision of it
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independent i mean that's a really good question and you're getting into a key area which is how
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what is the structure of this secrecy for real like who who's running it who's who's the guy in charge
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answer to right exactly and you know this is i don't know i don't have that answer this is
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you know what we're speculating about with companies that have all this crazy tech is is not that far
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off yeah a couple of things so first of all everyone should know who katherine austin fits is she's
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she's a real a great benefactor to our civilization and she is a gem and a brilliant individual and a
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money that's gotten siphoned out and what is the exact number but it's 2.3 trillion dollars would be
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uh the full budget of hud is that it and they're like you're not authorized and she
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idea that they're all all this money is going to some stuff that we know and and then well think of
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and it's egalitarian and yeah that's that's what we actually have is it's a pretend democracy and both
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way we've always done and that's really what the system is and so now it's a system that is inherently
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propagandized 24 7. yeah basically what it is sure yeah and it's built on lies and that's why they can't
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totally different world uh it feels like but but um one thing that i've always felt is that a genuine
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reveal of this whole ufo uap subject like a true reveal is highly highly destabilizing really too
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yes 100 100 and but this is why there is an absolutely like we are never going to give this up
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polarized as it is now so in 2010 we're envisioning the president goes and tells the world well you
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one of my theories on 9 11 is that um that people that were closest to it and affected by it the most
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and what you're doing is this horrible horrible thing happens and people are naturally going to be
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deeply upset by it and then what you do this is the genius of it you find the solution immediately
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whether it's hitler invading poland and saying we were attacked by the poles which is what he did
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or any other there's a lot of false flags america is the king of false flags especially after world war
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comes out and says this is how it happened like no you have no freaking idea what was it what was
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pbs which is total cia op anyway and my dad bought into it of course he did you know i don't blame him
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basically you have a guy who comes in that is the ultra most polarizing political figure that we've had
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you cannot and whatever the government tells them they they think the opposite is true you're probably
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thing right right you think so yeah so what you'll do is they'll take like a little freaking sliver
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and say here it is and it would be a true sliver right but it's certainly an incomplete and i'm sure
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it's pro is almost certainly going to follow that model i still maintain and i i've caught a lot of
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army counterintelligence what do you expect this is what you pay him to do yeah like that's his job
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yeah he his salary is to look for threats how do you expect someone who's to do that not not to do
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like i can't give you a mathematical equation to say this is he fulfills all of these criteria there
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best thing that you can i everything you said is totally on point i would just say there are certain
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you need to know is did this person actually work they said they worked like did they did they do that
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this is why like i'm not always really comfortable talking about the every like latest little story
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this so long people want to know what do you think it's really i've noticed that with this topic it is
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to go chasing after the latest headline yeah yeah which is a problem because ideally what you want to do
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is you want to stop and wait and go slow yeah so that other researchers who know more about propulsion
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a little controversial it was much more controversial in the past and uh part of it is like you
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during those years i have a tremendous regard for george so um i ended up you know this is how i made my
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early 1980s i think 1982 and had a very good back and forth conversation because lazar lazar is a crazy
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the only reason that he went public is he uh bob lazar forgive me if i'm getting any of this wrong
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know maybe they they might have psychologically profiled him and think this is a guy that
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this is still in the early 2000s in the late 90s and but a lot of lazar's interviews were available
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that one gets is that he just got sick and tired of the field and that there was you know it's like time
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to move on it's like i put my information out there this is a crazy community which it is and was
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kidnapping kids from indonesia after an earthquake and then michael herrera is that the one so herrera
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their diets somehow i don't know if they're keeping them against their wills but this guy is talking
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now who knows but is there any story is there any crazy story that's out there
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one way or the other that you know for a fact is true oh wow prob probably uh i don't i don't know
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it's kind of like it's grainy footage whatever and it's kind of like take it for what it is it could be
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he did in 2019 2020 and then just just at the briefing elizondo this is one good thing elizondo did he
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something that is highly classified you know they were private notes so it's not like an official
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government document but it is discussing something that is extremely sensitive let's take this opportunity i got
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questions that i've been wanting to ask you is um do you i'm sure you do know about um this base i talked
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involved with it i could put into my second or third volume atlantic under is that what you were
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so um apparently what what i for the way i understand it is they had some sort of
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what he has to say yeah one of the things that i try to do with this study is two things what so one
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is track the cases and then the other is to try to understand the technological military political
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yeah one interesting thing about it is its location so that's a extremely active area one
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puerto rico is a major hot spot that's why i can tell you florida is a major hot spot area this whole
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he also told me was there is this uh there's this secretive nro character who was tied into nasa who
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into soviet uh communications and this is back in like 1970 71 when they did that using uh the halibut
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ago i think that's right so you've what we really have what the united states is of course is a a
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surprise me yeah yeah it's crazy stuff man it really is and another thing that um catherine
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fits was telling me about is all the money that's going to these underground bunkers and underground
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and uh is he the guy that was killed no not too much i think he's still alive okay yeah you might be thinking of um
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yeah i know his case extremely well yeah and it'll come to me in a second sure why my my brain is
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and to go deep under the ocean floor and that this is not an impossibility um we actually have
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the ability all you really need is you need the ability to dig and if you're going to have a base
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hydrolysis whatever it is and they're they're able to do that so they're at least theoretically it seems
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is it is it you know how true is it that's a question and you know speaking against that
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and the fact that if there is some breakaway civilization it's most likely going to be these
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to do all of this work and this is probably responsible for a lot of the money that he's
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there is a tremendous amount of actually very good space-based evidence for anomalous activity out
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canaveral which is like two and a half hours from here yeah and said that when you go through the
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times a number of times and um is that believable yeah that's totally believable yeah yeah i could
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chris bledsoe and quite a few of them have come out and and made the assertion that he is like a
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so a couple of things first of all chris is a absolutely super decent human being his whole
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to say that there's some odd things that are going on there now is it an op or not i i don't know
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me when he was explaining all this stuff to me was that like this is something that he really experienced
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um the thing that just raises my hairs is the fact that all these people from intelligence and and
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nasa are like clinging to him well there's a couple of ways to look at it one is that it's an op
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and they're they're screwing with them yeah i love benowitz okay the other possibility is that they
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would that not be a possibility one of the things about about stephen greer is that you know he
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opinions on this but there's no question in my mind that there is a consciousness element to this
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phenomenon that's real and there is no question as well that greer did get interest from the national
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as far as i can see it's absolutely true is he met with a gentleman named john peterson of the arlington
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all of their power they went to some dinner together yeah they had dinner and this is i think in the late
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in the early 90s is there any is there any proof that he had that meeting yes there is because the
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argument is over what the what it constituted uh guerrero was called it a briefing yeah and they
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no understanding of it and it's it is not for me to get involved in anything like that i if even if i
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just this is part of the territory when you're trying to navigate these things in the public and
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are legitimate or not well one thing that i always have to remind myself of is uh that this whole subject
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and on the on the con side that want to keep this where it is because it is it's highly disruptive and so
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there's going to be intelligence community interaction with this subject that is a fact there is way too much
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works in the uh if there is some sort of uh general opportunity in the intelligence community to cover up
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secrets the fact that everyone on social media thinks everyone is working for an intelligence agency is a
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there but the problem is when you think that everything is an op so that's a bit of a problem
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say this conclude that every single thing coming at you is like someone's motivated yes for some reason
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problem that we have is we have good reason not to trust a lot like we have really good reason so
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but i do think what we've fallen into is i call it a kind of a post-modern trap which is when someone
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makes a claim about anything frequently from a lot of people the first thing you'll hear is oh that
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not we're not listening the one thing we're not doing is is hearing their message we're not actually
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think they're an op and they work for this organization here and the fact is when you look at the ufo
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knowledge sphere over many years go back to the 1950s this is a period i've studied a lot
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their information and the fact is that there are people from every part of the spectrum here in this
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in from a lot of different places it seems to me yes which is why i appreciate when people like you
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that the world is you know i had a i grew up with a very liberal mother and a pretty conservative father
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levels but uh the fact is that it is is not for me to um to write someone off just because they see
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i feel is that he really believed he was the president who could run things and he ran into a
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let this guy run the country for another month because he is he is a danger on too many levels yeah
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basically i have to be done and what is required is uh just breaking them into chapters and doing
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