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dude so this morning i watched your movie oh wow the new movie it's fresh yeah i like to keep it

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fresh and i have to say i was just completely thrown by that last scene with the neurosurgeon

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being sitting on the hospital bed this neurosurgeon communicating with him being calm content and he

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said there was nothing evil nothing malevolent and it was just there with us and it was calm and the

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the creature i was like yeah that video statement came from us like we filmed that because we have

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a mole at one of the hospitals i'm not going to say which one who's been telling us for over a decade

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you might want to talk to that person that person i i've got word that that person saw the video and

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it's like we're trying to track down the video that's like the holy grail right

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so we hear the dr italo this is like a year ago maybe a little over a year ago

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we hear the doctor well god it might have been a year and a half ago at this point

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time flies and we hear the dr italo who's a neurosurgeon at regional hospital had seen the

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got a gap at regional hospital we know the creature ended up alive at regional hospital because of all

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the capture the the girls like all that stuff lines up perfectly that it was at regional hospital

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that he saw from humanitas hospital to as a military base and then from eza to campinas where the americans

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came in and we could talk about the foyer requests for the flight logs then we put in but that's another

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conversation so regional hospital was the second hospital regional hot well they went to initially

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went to a clinic and then evidently the doctor came out the creature didn't even get out of the car

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and took one look he's like i don't know what the hell that thing is but get it out of here and they

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as having seen the video so we went after him marco marco layal my partner boots on the ground he was

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the squeaky wheel and we ultimately get a meeting with him and marco puts it on zoom video zoom call

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and again this is like a year and a half ago and i was just laser focused on the video like i was so

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this guy because i'm thinking either he has a copy or he could lead us to who shot it and who has the copy

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right so i'm asking him did you see the did you see the video did you see the video did you see

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the video of the live creature blah blah blah you know marco's translating everything on the screen

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while i'm doing it i was in vermont and um and he confesses that having seen the video on video and i

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know because it's a big development for me right the first time i'm talking to a neurosurgeon who

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evidently saw the video so we hang up the call and i'm thinking okay i need to go back to

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with him and questions him some more and it's like pushes them further and he denies having seen the

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the next year he has a heart attack then he gets prostate cancer and evidently during the heart

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to the er and he's like i'm having a heart attack like all the symptoms of a heart attack so he's

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staring at the ceiling at the icu and he says to himself because his partner who's a fellow neurosurgeon

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who's also involved in the case also died of a heart attack right yeah he died of a heart attack

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this to the grave right if i survive this story then he gets prostate cancer meanwhile we're like

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in the bathtub like he gave us a little bit and then we'd grab him and he was like sometimes he would

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the the implications of it he's a current neurosurgeon even to this day he's a neurosurgeon

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oh this guy you know oh the guy's the alien guy work on my brain right had communication with a live

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alien yeah i don't think so and the hospital doesn't want that association you know the military

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it's pretty clear the military put the kibosh down and all this stuff

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the lab that did the tissue sample analysis the deep dive into the tissue sample analysis

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of the deceased military officer who allegedly grabbed the creature got a little scratch on his

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armpit according to the forensic pathologists and there was some bacteria under the nail of the

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creature that inadvertently got into his blood and he died like really quickly and we talked to the

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doctor that worked on him while he was still alive then we talked to the you know autopsy dr armando

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who performed the autopsy he provided tissue samples to dr janini who founded the lab ipd labs

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and he's like what was the toxin like a granular toxin yeah they said they he's like i've been doing

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thousands and the guy's in his 80s he's like i founded the company that did the analysis he's like

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i've never seen anything like it prior and everything anything like it before he gave us the full detail

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this is all happening but while we're doing all this in the back of my mind i'm in virginia i'm going

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dr italo dr italo he's got the video he's got the video and he's not getting back to us he's being

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real slippery and so i said to dr armando who's very well respected within the medical community

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and he's like yeah with the americans it's all in portuguese i'm picking out a little bit

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the americans blah blah they really want to meet with you blah blah blah blah remember he had a heart

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attack and then he had prostate cancer and uh he goes tell him to meet me at the back of the hospital

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he did so we go with the team the next morning he meets us at the back the back entrance sneaks us

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we get to the icu he goes gear up okay i had to put everything on to go just to go into the icu right

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and he starts talking initially about the video and i think he just said fuck it you know i think

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he just decided right there on the spot i'm going full monty and he's like yeah it was in and i it

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caught me off guard i mean the whole thing's captured on on camera yeah you know and it was like

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and then um then the you know people that run the hospital catch us filming in the icu none of us

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then we ended up leaving the all of us together with the camera crew leaving the hospital i'm just

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trying to process what just happened i'm like this could be the biggest development in the history of

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the phenomenon and up until this moment you only thought that he saw a video yeah pretty much well i was

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up had a conversation with the freaking alien right there in that room remember everything's

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hold on a second i was trying to process it in the icu i was like did this wait the video wait the

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creature was this is the very bed like right it all happened right here yes and then he just dropped the

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bomb on us and i was we were all were like if you go if you look at the film at the end when the camera's

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panning across when we arrive in the cafe and you see the sound guy you see the translator you see

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atomic bomb on the world like yeah the leading neurosurgeon to this day right now today putting

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it happened and the younger generation needs to know this is what's happening i shared a clip with your

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made because he's coming to the united states to testify in washington dc at the national press club

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happen i have the surgeon the neurosurgeon is coming to washington dc yes but i gave a statement

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i have drivers picking him up okay and his wife and i've got other people i've got the the uh

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forensic pathologist that did the autopsy on the deceased military officer dr armando he's coming

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he's bringing a statement from dr janini who's too old to travel about the tissue sample analysis

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are you a little nervous for the trip that he's about to make like i'm sure i'm sure everybody

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knows about this all the agencies nervous about everything oh no i involved members of congress

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oh the state department yes because trying to get the visa applications i had like

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15 applications 14 applications something like this yeah is this the video uh no that's the other

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one that is with the video with him in the coat he's got a coat on in the lab nope that's the one with

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all the doctors and that's an amazing clip and you should watch that for this one right here this

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one right here that's the one all right give us some volume steve give us some volume and back it up

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go for it i swear that i will share that is the truth and nothing but the truth

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on the case accessing it medically assessing it conscious no pain no bleeding breathing well

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very calm and tranquil resembling a seven-year-old pale no bad odor the head was large teardrop shaped

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small mouth one hand under the sheet other one out the eyes were red they were

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i think not afraid either he seemed to understand the situation

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a beautiful gaze without judgment twice he looked at me then to the window then at me again

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the truth is i'm an eyewitness i saw the being say what you want joke mock but i saw him lying there in

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front of me it's important to highlight this is not about money this is what changes the very concept

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i want the youngest generation to believe that this indeed exists

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co-workers of 45 years there's another clip is what is this press club event uh january 20th at the

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january 20th at the national press club in washington dc okay so check this out this is me two weeks ago

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in uh virginia brazil with an unprecedented meeting with all the doctors involved with the case and

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there are others but all the doctors that we know of involved with the case and listen to what i say

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to all the doctors and there's amar with yes series that next to me question i'd like to i'd like to

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35 years 35 years how long have you known italo 35 years so doctors when he says he saw the creature

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it's the one that did the tissue samples of the deceased military after that why

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dr janini yes he owns the company ipd labs that did the tissue samples he did them personally he's

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he said he said the bacteria performed in a way that nothing he's ever seen on earth this is the

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specifically so the doctor you see right here there's dr cesario with the glasses on there's a guy

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filming him yeah that's the guy that worked on marco shirizzi while he was still alive in the

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for context for folks uh you can go back and watch the original podcast what you and i did about

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two and a half three years ago on this but marco shirizzi was one of the police officers

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that captured the alien when it was running around town yeah and he grabbed it with his bare hands and

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threw in the back of a police car he had back of a cop it actually was not a it was a car one of

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something terribly unusual i don't even think he was told like there's an alien on the loose you just

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unusual mission you want to you want to jump in the car you want to you want to go with me

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the road and right in front of them just a couple blocks away from when the girls had seen that

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creature three girls in broad daylight just just a couple hours earlier and the military blockade

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all around that area everything lines up perfectly and um grabs the creature without moments hesitation

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puts it in the back of the car i was told even on his lap by one of the one of the brazilian

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researchers new eric lopes but i'm not sure about that takes it to a clinic and the clinic doctor came

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out saw the creature and was like i don't know what that thing is get it out of here and then he

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the girls described this creature as exactly as the same creature that italo saw the little knobs on

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the head the big eyes he described them as they described him as red he described him as lilac um his

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he described the the skin was more more of a white they were saying brown and oily in the operating

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room right they said it was white too yeah it was exactly in that well let's say the operating room

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of the uh it was the icu yeah icu yeah so anyway um i don't know man one can speculate but the girl

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summertime in brazil that it was really really hot and that the skin was just like it looked like it was

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bodily fluids out the skin and that smells does it turn brown from the hot sun i have no idea and it

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gets this infection he gets a scratch under his armpit and it wasn't like the creature tried to kill him

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it was just like he grabbed it and he got a scratch under the armpit and dr janini who saw the older

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gentleman he said most likely the scratch came from bacteria under the nail of the creature and

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they got into his blood right dr cesario worked on him in the icu and he said i threw the kitchen

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performed once the marco shriezzi died he performed the autopsy and then and dr armando provided tissue

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samples to the owner of the company ipd labs dr janini and he's the one that went on camera and the

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old guy with the white hair yep and they all decided ultimately to go on camera that's why i was like this

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important because it brought all the doctors together all the doctors wives together were in a relaxed

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this this story is so you're so deep in the weeds with this story right you're in the guts of brazil

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infected a guy and killed him with bacteria and then the surgeon had a conversation with them and at

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the same time you have another foot in like washington dc with people like christopher mellon

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engineered craft sitting in hangers and you're in the jungle talking about a freaking alien being

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like let it go right or do you feel like this burning desire to let the world know it's not

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like i want to come across as this crazy you know person that feels the need to spread you know the

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know people that are vegetarians like yeah i don't eat meat it's like shut the hell up you do you let

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right knocking on doors about you know you know what i mean like spreading the word that's not me

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and i totally understand when i see the level of skepticism with people like ah it's a bridge too far i get

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story and everyone's like oh dude this is the biggest story ever like this and i'm convinced

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i i can't you know i can't let it destroy me you know what i mean right i'm doing the best i can to

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get it out there and at the end of the day i'm it's all i can do and i'm hoping that other younger

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generation will pick up the torch and also like continue digging i'm hoping that i can launch an

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the cia denying those foyer requests and um but maybe congress maybe i can raise enough noise and

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a congressional investigation let's find the flight records for all the planes that came into campinas

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because i've got people in the united states air force one colonel that i've been working with he's

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know where the debris was talking and blah blah blah blah and it's like we need that but i need help

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like i need so i'm just hoping that all these efforts and and and the recut of the film which quite

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honestly maybe the first cut moment of contact which was very compelling right i mean it's very but

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now we've got the chief of police we've got two forensic pathologists we've got the head neurosurgeon

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you show me one case in the history of the phenomenon where we have extremely credible

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than any of the movies and no not to discredit your movie the program which is excellent yeah

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about this stuff to me like there's an irony to it where it's like most folks distrust the authority of

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the government right like if you look at the history of the united states it's spotty to say

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the least with all the wars and everything like that but like the irony of this whole disclosure

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movement is that the people same people that distrust the government are looking to the government

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to give us the truth about this right which is why i find your story far more compelling and these

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people that are actually like on the ground and living in brazil and neurosurgeons and and all these like

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about uh maybe a week or two after the trailer dropped and word was getting out that italo was

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coming forward the head neurosurgeon everybody in the town knows the guy he's a prominent doctor for

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up and i basically put out a video which spread like wildfire all over the virginia right i mean

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i got the mayor i'm working with the mayor now chief former chief of police and that video was basically

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helping people he's ran three different hospitals he's the lead neurosurgeon and by the way

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when i said this i will dedicate the rest of my life to find out who you are and expose you guys

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make a quick buck off their story i've got their back to the day he's dead right he knows that and i put

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that video out we had a screening just a couple weeks ago with the mayor oh a whole room's packed i got

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video ammar was there with yes siri he filmed the whole thing and had a couple people come up to me

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come forward yet but but we'll see what happens the 30th anniversary is is uh january 20th

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coincidentally at the same date as the event of the national press club yes it was not a coincidence

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that's funny there are a lot of new year's resolutions that start in the kitchen and i'll

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tell you from experience the easier the cooking experience the more likely you are to keep it up

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sitting on the stovetop and this is the first set of cooking gear i've ever wanted to show off to my

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what has been the response from about this whole investigation on virginia to these these like these

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big wig folks uh in washington that are like all about disclosure disclosure disclosure well here's the

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interesting the interesting thing is just trying to get people to watch the film yeah because it's almost

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just watch the movie and draw your own conclusions like to me because you have all these allegations

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at the highest levels age of disclosure just came out with uh with dan farah and lou elizondo and

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stuff like that and i get it it's guys in suits part of the it's good it's well done it's very good

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but beautifully polished and it's high level and the statements made at the highest levels are let's

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that case right because it's like you've got allegations of crash retrieval and all the

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implications and technology yada yada yada now you have a case and this case didn't happen in the

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united states this happened in brazil right now it involved the us and we didn't learn that till late

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into the game i didn't i never suspected i was going to find out the americans flew in and grabbed

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it the americans can just fly in and grab whatever they want i have no idea and they asked to some

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intelligence folks completely like involved with the legacy crash retrieval program and they responded

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yeah so explain explain the background of this for your request for folks who aren't familiar okay so

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um i got contacted i don't know a couple of months after the first version of moment of contact came

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twilight years in their life i don't want to take this to the grave my grandchildren should know about

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numbers because we had a photograph but the tail numbers were kind of blurred oh really yeah we had

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the film because we were we were doing background on it but anyway he made the suggestion he goes put

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so we filed a foyer in 2022 and we said we want all the flight logs of united states air force

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planes because we got word from the i don't know you call the flight control officer someone who

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monitors incoming flights into the state of brazil in a particular region and anything any flight that

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comes into brazil that wants to land has to have authorization from the brazilian government there has

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to be that and this plane came in according to the flight control officer that was on duty that night

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and he happened to come clean on the last yeah that thank you that that yes thank you oh good

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job steve that's the plane and we're trying to blow that up bigger so we were trying to get the tail

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numbers we were trying to get you know match the area to see if that was campinas in 1996 like we're

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trying to do all this research the person whose finger it is is a brazilian person and we've been

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the flight logs and i figured well let me give it a wide window so i think i went i think i went from

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years to get a response but the response came from the cia it's in the movie yeah the response came

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from the cia basically saying how many years later three yeah which is a red flag right when you send

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it to one agency and this in the cia responds three years later i thought so and they were like your

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request is denied we can neither confirm nor deny those records and then you know according to the

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1949 you know national security act whatever you're there therefore your request is denied it's in the

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that that's what oh so when we interviewed the former chief of police and by the way getting to him was

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like a bar so in the bathtub because you know people are conflicted about coming forward they

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know the implications they know the risks you know even in the community forget about the risk within

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the military and all that stuff even with the community oh you're the ufo guy or you're the one

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been going after him for a while we thought we're going to get him in the first cut of moment of contact

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and um again bar so in the bathtub and then ultimately and he was like okay we'll come to my house

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the past years ago he uh and he did not deny having that photograph at the time um we were going to his

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house and i think it was like maybe five o'clock in the evening and we were on our way to go to

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virginia and i had my whole crew with me and uh um somehow somebody was needed to go to the bathroom

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on our team could have been me i don't know and we stopped at this little pizzeria and uh the the

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i'm not even supposed to be on the owner i just happen to be working tonight and and he insisted

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of wine we hung out with the owner it was beautiful it was really fun but it put us in later than we

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pedro's house the former chief chief of police seven hours no sorry just a where it was i mean i

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want to say seven o'clock okay okay we were in the area when we stopped for pizza okay i see we

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little bit and and the chief of police his son was there i think his son is like 11 or 12 years old

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and chopping it up with him a little bit and i'm off in the distance i'm looking over like oh my god

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could pick up the audio um and then the audio guy was in the car monitoring and then i and then my dp

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earlier and we'd also talked to him over the phone in 2021 when we were shooting the first version of

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okay just eased it in here comes the dave come on dave like and um start filming a little bit now his

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wife was like he eventually went from the table over to the couch and his son was sitting at this

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little table to the right if you're looking at the couch it was to the right and his wife was sitting

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at the table with his with his son and his wife had eyeballs i've never seen her eyeballs i remember

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who allegedly drove the alien and hers and she was looking at her husband she was sitting here looking

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everyone in that town's heard everyone's everyone in the town's heard of the film or me

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and and he starts talking and then he's like yeah i saw the creature it had a blanket over it but i went

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perfectly with every other tidbit of testimony that we've ever heard wow all the activity the

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helicopters and then he's like campinas and then the americans came like the chief of police told us

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that he goes i got to the military base he goes i never seen so much brass in my life

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yeah man landing who is it clinton was the president then clinton was the president back then yeah i know

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god no it's like i mean he probably was kept out of the loop i'm guessing i don't know you know

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speaking of clinton when i was investigating the phoenix lights case it happened in march 13th 1997.

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like the 90s were pretty radical man we had some crazy shit go down rua oh yeah we had ruin 94 then

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we had virginia in 96 we had we had the massive flyover phoenix lights in 97 march wasn't there

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also a lot of like abduction uh claims in the 90s you know abductions are things that i've always kept

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at arm's length i'm not sure i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case well i mean like whether you

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mack was going strong yeah um but hopkins was going strong you know you had the very very early

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90s i think it was 89 90 91 you had you had all the belgian stuff that was going on those big platform

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size of a football field yeah um that was all happening but in any case i was investigating the

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take a little detour for a second i was investigating the bejiza out of the phoenix lights

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case i was going back and forth for 10 years i got the governor come forward and um evidently okay

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investigating the case and she looks at me and she goes see that guy over there and i was like yeah and i

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saw him by the barbecue she goes he was he was she was at he was at luke air force base that night

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really no she just looked at me like you just like go away so anyway so i stayed at the party

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that night uh it was march 13th 1997 and remember everyone was out under the night sky to get a

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glimpse of the hell bomb comet right and uh i see him drinking beers he's drinking beers and that's a

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pretty damn sure he said defcom 2 thank you i really appreciate the first time i looked at that

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but i didn't know what the hell he was talking about so um and then coincidentally i think i might

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have talked about it on the podcast i don't know and nothing nothing included in my film out of the

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blue and i did another film about it uh i know what i saw which covered that case and the governor

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and the governor even admitted that they they scrambled jets oh i heard that that the pilot

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it was so big that they could have landed on it yes and that the pilot had to be lifted out of the

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cockpit so what i heard after the i guess he scrambled it to go get it and it took off like warp speed like

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something out of star wars so and the governor five simonton also told me they took a run at it

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that they scrambled jets and took a run at it and the pentagon air force base all told them they have

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somewhere he got plucked off whatever the hell he was doing that night on on the 13th of march 1997

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and i guess if you go to defcom 2 the president would have to be notified you'd have to look it up

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but right that's just a weird little thing you know you had 96 in virginia evidently involving the

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americans did clinton find out don't know but if we did go to defcom 2 and that guy was telling me the

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truth at luke air force base then we went to defcom 2 and clinton i guess the president of the united

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states would have to be notified look it up google it so this is the same night as the phoenix lights

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recall correctly the night of the phoenix lights they people recalled seeing these like uh boomerang

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a guy named mike fortsen and he used to he was a great witness he's in my film out of the blue which

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you can watch for free online but he's like now i called the phoenix lights well i'm sick and tired

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of the phoenix so why they call it the phoenix lights i said what mike what's what why are you so

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sightings that night it was okay there were balls there were there were boomerang shape but the one

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boomerang shape one that caught my attention the most that all the witnesses that i talked to that

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saw this craft including the governor of five simonton said it was so big it had to be from another

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world and i said well how do you how do you know this is the one they said he could land his jet on

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dude it looked like a floating city i was lying on my back on the front lawn and i could see compartments

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in metal and really swear to god man yeah go watch i know what i saw right out of the blue

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and they said they could see he goes i thought it was going to land at the sky harbor airport like

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uh i'm trying to remember the mountain range right near where they lived but in any case oh they were on

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the mountain so they were really close they're right at the base because it flew right over this

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it was seven o'clock 7 30 whatever late in the afternoon early evening and uh and um they said

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jaws on the ground like and they just floated right over and we were all just like

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see something like that and not go crazy right right and one of the one of the women the family

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members i interviewed all the kids there were three kids and the wife and the husband was on the phone

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and she was screaming at him like get off the phone get out here and he wouldn't he was i'm on the

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phone no get out of here so the whole family except for the husband all sat there for several

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or you don't believe him that's fine right he delivered at times the daily briefing to the

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president of the united states high level intelligence officer again you can believe

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him you could think he's crazy it's all fine all the smartest people i know on this topic they all say

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don't you think the media should pick that ball up and run with it i mean what happens right what

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investigate i would live through that that investigation went on for like years the whole

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media they must have put millions of dollars the price all that stuff over allegations of inappropriate

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to provide a platform for the likes of david grush and others and you don't have to believe lou and

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grush but what about this what about we lobby the executive branch and provide some level of immunity so

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they can testify under oath not in a skiff because everyone's frustrated everyone's had it with the skiffs

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right it's the people how about we create a platform that enables them to give the specific details

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to the public to the world right that's what we should be focused on hey let's call their bluff

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transparency in government you want transparent uap dude it's the most popular thing out there

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believe david grush or his claims because i'm out there in the field learning about this stuff

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right right that's one of the things that i wanted to kind of cover was it he stripped of his retirement

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point is is that let's not believe them right let's chase it down why not the the implications are

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allegations why wouldn't we find the old icig thomas monheim here's my thing pin him up against

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the wall how about subpoena him he's got all the details right here here's what i'm saying like yeah

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him and he's like i've seen all this stuff i've been in the skiffs i've seen all the classified stuff but i

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can't tell you because i swore no at the level of law but he said i swear on my daughter's beating

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and then he said mr president if you wave the magic wand and give me immunity i'll and i'm subpoenaed

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the crazy hypothetical so we should do that here's a crazy hypothetical yeah james i saw saucers in

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so imagine that imagine he says that on your documentary and the next day they throw him in

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prison what is that going to say to the public right if you're if you're the president or you're the

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doj or the cia and that comes out on a on on a dvd or not on a dvd but on you know on amazon the next

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imagine you're on put the shoe on the other foot yeah imagine you're the you're the government or

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whoever you're you're the gatekeeper you're the gatekeeper is it is it a great idea to throw eric

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davis in prison or or whack him i don't think so well at the very least he'd be stripped of all

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of his clearances and be out of a job at the very least is he still employed yeah he's got high level

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works for oh okay he has high level clearances to this day he'd be he'd be out of a job at the very

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agree but wouldn't it be better to do it the more legit route and also i don't know i think i don't

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been collecting that since the 40s perhaps even earlier so whatever's flying around in our airspace

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pilot he saw a flying saucer back in 1955 talk to all these is all parallel the technology exhibited is

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but i could see that being a legit reason for national security on the technology maybe it's the

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admission that we have it and we share the bodies the biologics do you see what i'm saying totally

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should be entitled to on the planet because remember disclosure doesn't just have implications for the

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united states citizens this would reverberate around the world because the implications are global

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why i do what i do and i usually ask them like hey if this were true and if this happened and if the

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god it was like so crazy so i can't go to the reason why i ended up in the arrow excuse me for

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the pentagon just just next to the pentagon and um and i met somebody in a parking lot they walked me

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through the parking lot they took me in all these doors and then i had to go through security they

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the other one opens i don't know what they did and i don't know what i got scanned i don't know what

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there and then we go up to this big door just like a bank vault kind of thing opens up the entire

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office complex was a skiff the whole thing was and they take me inside there and i'm thinking this

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gonna treat them like people and um we go down this hallway all these cubicles and stuff go down the

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hallway and there was a door to my right that was closed and the door to my left that was open

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even do he was air force officers special investigations osi and uh i look inside the

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myself and what else am i doing i'm just sitting there and the brain has this uncanny ability to like

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grabs the door close it my face i was like i kind of looked like sorry what am i supposed to do here

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so anyway so then this individual comes back opens up the door gets in there and there's a

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a computer right there it was a computer and i i wish i could remember the name of the of the

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access point but it was intel folks it told me where the high-res photos and videos were it was

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that computer damn it it's in it's in the program i'm sorry i can't oh there's like a special computer

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that has access to all the top secret shit yes and i was told by intel folks that had been on by

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that you know he goes oh that's the skipscom or whatever the hell it's called i'm sorry i can't

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wouldn't do it no i wouldn't do it you're a good man not for all the good not for all the money in

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the world yeah but uh so then the other uh uh john kosklauski the new head of arrow he comes in

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us a bone here because the public's frustrated and you're not putting the genie back in the bottle

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your documentary the phenomenon is mandatory viewing for anyone who's going to work for arrow no way i was

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socorro closing counts of the third kind because it's one thing just talk about unknown objects you know in

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the air like the tic tac or whatever but when you start talking about beans on the ground right

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it's a different story man it's a whole nother level that's one of the things that doesn't get

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addressed often enough right and i tell people all the time because it's like you know you got close

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accounts the first second and third kind and that was not something that just came from the public

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that came internally from the scientific advisor that was working with the air force they were

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documented close and counts of the third kind in the 50s right and they were putting it off as like

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psychological i think they were writing off psychological the person's batshit crazy don't

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aren't going away we're having these hearings like you know you guys are going to come to the

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going on are you and john looks at me john kosklowski the new head of arrow and he goes he goes james um

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um i can't part my own hair without approval from the dod and you can quote me on that he was

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like come on i share everything publicly that i possibly can yeah and the only reason why i don't

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share other things because if i violated the trust with some of the people that i've met with and the

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one time can i say i heard it anonymously they'll know exactly what it came from so the stuff that

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talking to another insider and like why not why can't i have a seat at the table right like what is

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going to just not reveal what i possibly can the maximum amount i can possibly reveal to the general

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i get criticized about jason sands do you have any i forgot about that you have any idea the level of

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to go up in the attic and dig through 30 different boxes to get all his photographs from when he was

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in the military this is the guy who claims he saw the blue alien and then they went down they were

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were on rogan him and the other dude yeah so so let me just tell you i did everything i could

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going to be in the movie i did like i met him with people that i trust but hey man we're all fallible

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was his records check out i met with people on the inside that had been with a skiff with him i can't

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named specific special access programs dealing with the legacy uap you know crash retrieval stuff

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sans guy was yes he was like knew the names i got in trouble just for asking about those names he knew

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that were implanted in him i don't know man i i don't know what i do know is i have the names of

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the other witnesses out there i did due diligence on his background check i contacted his ex-wife and

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out there and i got them all and i put them in the movie and i did his military right and at one

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point which movie was this in the program this was in the program okay okay watch it free online

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you know and then he starts coming out with some crazier stuff and i wasn't there i don't have the

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live your career i didn't serve the country like you did right but what you're saying is discrediting

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poison the well if i told you like what i really believed where i'm the direction that i'm leaning

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in in terms of the phenomenon people would bring into question my credibility because i understand

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on the outside looking in someone like myself i'm just joe public man i'm just i'm just a civilian

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know how the hell it worked out i worked my ass off i don't always get it right i try to get it right

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positive stuff to the table than i have anything else i'm not perfect and i will own if i if i

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clearly are so so i even talked to skeptic magazine michael shirmer the other day what yeah i went on his

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show and he's like you're one of the only people from the i'm like dude i'll have a dialogue with you

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you can disagree politically that's fine i'm really good friends with people on both sides of the fence we

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don't care they know well like how i might feel or how they feel we're friends right that's the way

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it should be yeah it should be the same in this in this field like hey man you think uh it's alien

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babies floating in alpha centauri what cool dude all right great yeah you know we never went to the moon

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i just try to stay in my own lane i put out what i feel is the best information i can people go

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all haven't seen the bean actually six the former chief of police saw it too under a tarp and oh really

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these come from it's okay to say i don't know what the hell is going on it's okay to say that

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that's what i was going to tell you sorry got sidetracked so i was at i was at the um the uh

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screening the the premiere the world premiere well i guess it wasn't the world premiere because that

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was in texas but it was one of the premieres in uh on an aircraft carrier oh yes for the age of

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were you know we we we we talked briefly at the beginning of the screening and then there was a

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going to get and uh i see leslie leslie keen across the way and there were like guys from the cia

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these guys are from the agency and and uh oh little side story so we're like the premiere yeah yeah

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yeah so we're like at the premiere and and leslie's hanging out with these dudes in suits and i

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same kind of suits that it looked like part of the uap task force so when i went into the skiff with

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that's what they look like you know those perfect suits just perfect short haircut you know the type

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is these guys are from the agency and i was like oh cool really nice to meet you guys and we're like

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crash in front of jane to brazil and the guy goes oh no oh we we know all about it we've been following

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at the bar which was like i don't know 30 feet away 20 feet 30 feet i'm at the bar and i see this

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individual from the dia that i've always wanted to talk to and i had met with this individual before

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had a cocktail and it looked like a whiskey on the rocks and so i ordered a whiskey neat

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not that many people on this planet that have the big picture or the bigger picture because i'm dying to

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know i'm just curious even if i can't share it with the world i still want to know yeah and uh this

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individual is like yeah probably 10 probably 10 people that have the bigger picture it's like 10

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people on the planet really and um i said well this person would know as far as i'm concerned yes okay

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uh probably one of 30. so so you have a bigger picture i mean not quite as big as the 10 but you

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call yourself in the category of one of 30. mm-hmm yeah and i was like huh well what would you think of

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well i heard that um i don't know i i've kind of heard that the bigger picture is a little scary

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you know so the conversation a little more and pry a little further i said uh well like um like

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how how how is it scary the individual goes intent their intent and i was like oh their intent like

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what the hell is their intent they know what their intent is like origins and intent that's the gold i

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mean that's the holy grail as far as i'm concerned i don't know so i said and then just as i was going

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she knew exactly what i was after and uh someone butts in the conversation hey i've been really

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like how so i don't know i don't know that's the part i thought i was gonna know and i didn't get

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to know the intent the individual said intent the their intent or intent definitely the word intent

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it on the blackjack table i would bet that it was they were from here they're they're there because

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and this is what i learned from mike masters when he was he's the anthropologist who has the extra

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tempestrial model book about like time travelers he was making the case which i thought was very

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compelling is that on other all the other goldilocks planets that we know of yeah the the pressure is

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different the there a lot of them are just purely water worlds there's barely any land on most of them

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um different conditions different gravity and he was making the case that if intelligent life

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apes of hominids 20 different hominids out of the 20 we are the only one that has figured out tech

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we're smart enough to figure out technology to get off the planet but we are one of over 2 million species

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intelligent life could evolve but the chances of them being bipedal hominids with heads on top of

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he said that the individual and maybe the encounter happened like i remember painting one intel folk down

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i was just like you know we have a little evidence on that we have the ufo that was captured and that

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all take place 1994 i think it was okay i'm pretty sure it was 24. it's in the movie the program you

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can again watch it for free on youtube movies but um he said that the individual had or the eyes were

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don't know but he did say something about you know the communication with the eyes everybody is like

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you just get lost and the eyes just lock you in and you feel like it's almost they take over your brain

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a little bit or put you in a sort of trance but he said that the outfit that the individual was wearing

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after walking through the desert had to be dirty the boots had to be dirty you don't walk to the

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desert the way this individual was walking through the desert without getting dust on your boots and

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encounter and if the other people that we have their names if we had that encounter and we got it i

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got as far as contacting the individual indirectly that debriefed all those people after the alleged

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encounter in the convoy yeah i did i got in touch with that individual wouldn't i just was like did it

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happen or it didn't happen i'm not going to verify anything for you on or off the record done like

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it was just like that's it so then i asked the other individual that got me to that individual

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okay well that certainly leans in the direction to verifying that that there is that type of

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activity happening there close and counts of the third kind and i it's not the first time that i've

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heard about close encounters of the third kind occurring in and around the base i'd heard about

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i could be getting this wrong but he was one of the dudes who helped sell the iraq war to the americans

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that he felt that clapper knew about the crash legacy crash retrieval right i saw that too right

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don't know yeah a lot of people why would he make that up like a lot of people say that just the fact

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that clapper is involved in all this stuff and like he's showing up to the hearings it's like

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when he put something's not right when you had when you add that guy into the puzzle yeah you

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the ufo trash crash retrieval and cover-ups like a mob boss when he left in 2009 that was the last time

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that's crazy by the way but that's not what i was no that's not it this was like yesterday jesse

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what it is david grush tells megan kelly that james clapper managed the ufo crash retrieval issue while

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serving as director of national intelligence uh when he was the dni the usdi and dia director

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to me at the screening or after the screening that uh clapper's wife was in the hospital on the verge of

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death and he was like and he wanted the interview obviously he want i mean dan wants the interview who

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just from like what i've heard and somebody in his level here's the thing though let's just say let's

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matter yeah yeah my point is this let's say you're a high level person within the da let's talk about

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eric davis and the wilson memo admiral wilson wasn't he part of the he was head of the dia at one point

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all right let's just say that he did get exposure to the to the legacy crash retrieval program i'm not

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to come forward and he wants to talk a little bit about it how does he do it and now he's part of the

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deep state the deep state right so he wants to come forward to get it off his chest some people

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forward and then people like us criticize them because they were part of the deep state right does that mean

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that you could never come forward and tell the truth because you're part of the deep state you're

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the truth i'm the whole truth and nothing but the truth or do you ask to be subpoenaed and you testify

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publicly publicly and then you say you give specifics this person was the gate caper this

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person was over here that's see that's what i think i the way i think as a documentary filmmaker

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i don't give a shit if you tell me the truth or not but what i do want to do what i do give a

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shit about is i want to get i want to create a platform i want to put your feet to the fire

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and let's let's provide a platform that will enable you to give more specific details under oath to the

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world and then tell me who was it where is it where's the craft where's this where's the bodies

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the sidelines and go jason sands is full of shit well all it takes is one member of congress with a

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curiosity to go you know i saw that film um the program and i saw jason sands i think that guy's

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what tap him on the shoulder come into a skiff give me those details holy shit now i know more now i know

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because it's so easy for people to call the neurosurgeon a liar the girl's a liar the crash

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retrieval witness a liar like if one person just one person is telling the truth in moment of contact

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new revelations right just one that's the biggest story ever particularly the people that came in

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contact with the creature now we have five maybe six let's see we have chief of police pedro aguriar

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have katya then we have liliani her sister valkyria that's five and now we have the neurosurgeon that's

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six and the last time i was in virginia just a couple weeks ago i spoke with a nurse who conformed

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me he's telling the truth i said how do you know he's telling the truth amara witnessed it i witnessed it

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marco witnessed it our translators witnessed it because and she was shaking like this telling the

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truth he's telling the truth i said how do you know because i was there i was like will you go on camera

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keeps me going you get little you know like i met with the air force general jose carlos parrera

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is terminated and marco and i looked at each other like the fuck really like what i can't even ask you

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said maybe it was setting up to it but in any case that would have been worth the whole sit down

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but anyway but anyway at the end of it and i swear on my life this is true

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he uh we had the interview and i didn't ask him about virginia but we we turned the cameras off we

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turned the audio off and marco and i came up to him and he was getting ready to leave and we were

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what i mean i'm just curious guy that wants to yeah get as many answers as i can if they're off the record

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the interaction is practically licking the dirt off his boots you know like really begging him

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a couple meetings with him and uh sat in the car door open driver engine running looked up at marco

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and i and he goes it happened clicked the door off he went never obviously i never included that in

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any of my movies but just like the nurse the other day that was like an extra layer for me on okay

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forward publicly but gave me that little tidbit of information just like the general like that kind of

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question is when you have people like this dude that you met at the premiere that's saying the scary

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thing about these things is the intent and on the other hand you have the neurosurgeon saying it was an

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how do you connect the dots well here's how i so i think about all the different and i i'm not

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i know the cases that i know because i've done a deep dive gone to the location talk to the witnesses

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you know with socorro for instance i mean i went to the the the leading writer ray stanford rip ray

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you thank you for your contribution um went to his house spent a week with him went to the national

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archives uncovered never before seen documents on the case got to know his wife got to know his

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dude i know more about that case now that ray's gone probably than anyone on the planet which case

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we're talking about socorro new mexico 1964 close encounter of the third kind my point is this it's

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these locations right i go to places and when i start putting all the different things that i've you

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or socorro or whatever or roswell you you talked to travis oh hell yeah many times i went out to the

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location where he was taken i talked to the other witnesses that were there i've talked to the

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reaction when he got to yeah and i met the other witnesses that were with him too right i mean it

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freeze up when i talk to them about like when you get to a certain point in the encounter when they had

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face-to-face contact with these creatures i've had people just freeze up just like stare at the camera

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a sudden she just stopped it was right when she got to the point of contact allegedly with in ruins

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zimbabwe with the creatures she just went blank and it was almost like they were reliving it you know

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when we get to the crash site we go out in moment of contact right right new new revelations uh

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carlos has this moment where well first of all we couldn't find the damn crash site and that was

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when he finally we finally found the impact site there was a moment it's very brief and i don't

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witnesses to rua where they're in the middle of describing the face-to-face contact and it's like

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getting back to the point of all this is i think about the individuals that he allegedly came in

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contact with um and i think about them caring enough for his safety if the accounts are to be believed

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yes i you know in the 70s snowflake arizona i think about if the accounts are to be believed and all

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those people are telling the truth or maybe they're all lying i highly doubt it but if they are they

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picked him up in a very remote area of the mountains i mean dude i've been there a couple times it's very

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put him in a little area where it was a dip down in on the outskirts of town right close to a phone booth

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like and they zipped down below under the cover of darkness dropped him off again if the council

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star charts quite oh he said a reticula yeah yeah something i don't know but but the stanton

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frieden talked all about it and he was very impressed but uh you know different the way they looked the

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were warning the children of environmental destruction technology whatever all that stuff

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then i look at allegedly the contact with the girls in virginia this creature and i'm thinking to myself

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right like maybe it's all of the above right i again i don't know i'd like to know but maybe

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we're dealing with interplanetary interdimensional time travelers i mean look out there into the night

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sky in the middle of the desert sometime that's a big damn universe right i mean it's huge i mean the

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billions and billions of possibilities so i don't know maybe we're dealing with all the above maybe

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time travelers maybe it's all the above honestly mate i really don't know i'd love to know but maybe

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sometimes i lean in that direction too maybe it is all the above right could be i mean why not

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virginia is the girls were like i don't really know what the hell this thing was it wasn't human

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weeks ago we were getting statements for this event we're putting on the national press club because

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i feared that the state department would deny visas to a great body of people and unfortunately that

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that happened we fought like hell we had members of congress reaching out to the consulate in rio

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for the application for the visa application we hired an immigration lawyer like everything we did

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and uh so i was of the witnesses yes of the witness the first-hand witnesses we were going to fly

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i'm to dc this is all happening we're having the event anyway so i flew i flew to dc sorry i flew to

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brazil just recently and i got statements and i did it in conjunction with the town mayor gave me an

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official setting flags podium looks amazing and in the process of doing that we were talking to katia

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katia is one of the girls that was 21 at the time she was with the two sisters liliani and valkyria

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if i'd helped that creature because it wanted help and she was locked in the eyes of that creature

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i don't know if i told you the story but when the girls i know you know the story about the girls coming

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had a cinder block wall and it was crouched against the cinder block wall feeble suffering like weak

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frightened the three girls were looking at the cinder block wall and i guess what they said what

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got their attention it was about three o'clock in the afternoon hot day sunny summer they saw like some

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graffiti on the cinder block wall and that kind of caught their attention looked in that direction

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and then they see what they thought was like is that a statue like what the hell is that it was some

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kind of creature slouched down against the wall they were looking at it like what the you know and then

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it one of the girls yelps it might have been liliani screamed you know and the creature turned and

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that's that's the best depiction right there the new york post one that michael schellenberger wrote but

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that next to that steve yeah right there boom that's what the creature looked like uh betty rodriguez

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uh did that with the help of the three girls right after the incident that's the cinder block wall

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captured maybe it wouldn't have been killed maybe it wouldn't have been end up in the hands of the of

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the of the u.s military like i could have saved that thing like what brought it to brought it home

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yeah or well yeah but that's another that's a whole nother conversation about the the rescue

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the difference between the old version moment of contact and the new version moment of contact

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because we met with and i shot from behind the family right well yeah from the family behind well

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that's when i started i didn't quite put it together at the time i kind of did but i was like oh you gotta

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be kidding me this is an extra threshold if the accounts are to be believed and why on earth would

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this family be lying and they live right near the area like if you which i which i do i take my drone and

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i fly up and i put the camera straight down and yeah the military blockade here of course

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the military blockade here according to those witnesses according to princess tv that's where

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there were armed guards blocking the road then the girls came in the encounter right here the capture

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happened right here the family lives right here it makes total sense that if there was an operation

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saying to the family how do you know how do you know this thing was looking for we talk about how you

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it was a disc with a spinner on the bottom of it and it was going down at the end turning around coming

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back going down at the end coming back turning around slow and low stop pivot move back forth grid

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search i swear to god and so when i restructured the entire opening of moment of contact because i

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incorporated all the some of the congressional units i didn't get bogged down in that and then some of

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know landing bent waters yada yada um i was i i completely abolished the the entire previous opening

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the best night disc footage of a ufo i've seen this is really impressive and then i was like oh it just

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happened it was 1996 april just a couple months later right and so i looked up the location in in

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somewhere in here not that far away as the crow flies so i was like could that be connected interesting

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i don't know it's brilliant you've seen it the disc excuse me the disc footage you didn't see that

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remind me it's not a disc and there's a kid going what part of the movie uh when i when i interviewed

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the family outside from the back yes right after that i cut to that footage to say this could be

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that could have been the same crap that was looking for the beings as a hypothesis it could be

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yeah imagine how being that girl i know walking by the creature and deciding to help it would have

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been the real life et

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it would have been the real life et to the roof isn't that crazy or bringing inside i think about

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this all the time i don't really talk about it because i said like do you want to touch him right

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marco shrie's died marco shrie's grabbed the damn thing like a cowboy yeah and he just got a scratch

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and the forensic pathologist dr genie says on camera that it most likely came from the fingernail of

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the creature and the bacteria got into his blood and killed him and he the thing was alive and well when

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animal cowboy the guy didn't want to get caught cowboy and didn't put up much of a fight apparently

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remember the only living witness to that capture the second capture is eric lopes eric lopes and when

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out of the car and i was like we're gonna eric l i'm just dying to meet you were hot to try

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victorio pacchini and by the way while i had this opportunity i want to talk about my partner marco

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layal and give him tremendous credit for all the work he's done couldn't have done it without him

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picked it up where a lot of them died and disappeared uberjado rodriguez yeah he was one of the leading

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lawyers on the case he was amazing um was it where was i getting that uh the uh the capture yeah

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so we got to his house and i'm excited like because i'm like holy we might meet the

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guy that drove the car during the second capture like i'm hoping he's gonna be home and i hear talking

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when i got out of the car and i i i was like i didn't see a front door like i you know for a

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i looked up and i saw this guy in the window and he had one arm like this with something in his hand

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and then he had another arm under the table and he was looking out there like in the first thing

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out of his mouth to the guy who used to be a politician a very prominent figure uh romolo and

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but then i actually asked him can you actually take us up to his house walk out walk out of the car

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first or i don't who the hell knows cameras rolling i don't know but i looked into this and i just i

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and i saw these eyes like eyes remember i was talking about uh pedro aguillard's wife with the

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burdened by some deep dark secret like if you could imagine the weight on his shoulders that's what it

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looked like okay i just remember getting lost in his eyes well he started threatening the bullets are

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have a new person on board now i'm not trying to criticize the previous you know field translator but

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relevant i think so and um uh i kept pushing the fact maybe it was just as well that i didn't because

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ultimately admits i am eric lopes but when we first walked up he's like if you're here to talk about the

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et eric won't talk he referred to himself in the third person which is funny it's like cops showing up

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your house at a party and the first thing out of your mouth is like hey there's no drugs in here mr

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he brought up the et like like immediately like he knew that's wow do you think he could have been

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the documentary hadn't obviously had not been released yet no it hadn't but is there any way

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he got tipped off by you like being in the area well that was probably one of the times where i was most

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he was the cousin of blah blah blah and then the military base as it started making phone calls to

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i don't know but some weird shit happened afterwards but um and they called up the guy

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oh good are you still living at this address okay how's the wife and kids good good good excellent

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freaking this is after he filmed this is right after we filmed with him yeah and then the individual

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that we were going to meet with and allegedly had footage he gets summoned at to the base

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and he's been gone ever since so i was just like so close you know but that was all right around the

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he got a call and he he did good i mean you know he told us he's gonna shoot us and get the fuck out

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remember who i did that through might have been marco lopes wife yeah sorry eric lopes wife now the

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interesting thing is i'm not sure if you knew this but so eric lopes married the sister of the

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deceased military officer who handled the creature marco chris eric lopes married his sister said that

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in the movie yeah i didn't say the movie no talked about it okay so then i don't think i did so then

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we contact eric lopes wife after the encounter where he threatened to shoot us and i might have apologized

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gonna happen so then there was a a security guard that we're friends with and he's in the circle of

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about seconds away from he was going to fire a couple shots in the air first that's what he said

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watched the documentary i mean i would imagine i mean if i was in it i'd want to that's the thing

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i never give up because look at what we've done in the last 16 whatever years right marco and i

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marco was on this before i was at least 10 years so and we got the 30th anniversary

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we have the new mayor mayor vers is no longer the mayor who we interviewed in the first doc

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but we have the new mayor now and i met with him twice once in his office it just so happens that

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the security detail for the current mayor that we met with just a couple weeks ago

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his two parents are the ones that saw the ufo nearly crash the big cigar-shaped crab with a tear

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that's massive coincidence yeah and but in any case i'm flying back there probably right around the time

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people are looking at uh the bravery and courage and courage of ethelo and that's not that's not going

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unnoticed within the medical community and the medical community cesario dr armando dr janini that all

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two alive ones maybe we got more maybe we got three i don't know but uh the military sorry the chief of

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know have you ever heard of any other cases around the world of similar creatures with the red eyes only

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palm springs at um contact in the desert and i looked at that play i was like what the hell is

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that it looked just like the et from virginia with red i'd never heard of red eyes like that

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don't know dude chris blood those son has it tattooed on his arm just find the tattoo i'm sure there's a

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shirt off and i looked at it i was like you know yeah yeah so that's the only one i've heard

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the crazy internet and when i when i started out this investigation i mean i just remind your audience like

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started this actually when i first heard about it it was the late 90s i was doing my second ufo doc

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okay out of the blue at the time we didn't have a name for it i always do kind of broad strokes on

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the chalkboard you know like oh let's cover this case bent waters phoenix lights yeah you know uh

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aliens just crashed ufo these live aliens walking through the town and i immediately thought to

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myself i picked the wrong partner out of his mind i'm not kidding you i promise you and i and i and

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10 years fast forward i did out of the blue i did out of the blue two director's cup which i spent two

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more years on that after four or five years on the first cut then i did a two-part series for the

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history channel called i know what i saw i actually did independently and sold the history channel

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what i saw and i got invited to speak at a place called baruibi which is the south of sao paulo on

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the beach on the on the coast and and and um right before i left i got a phone call i'm talking to this

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guy who's high up in the entertainment industry he's always been very influential behind the scenes

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various people hey give the kids some you know meet with this guy you know he was always very helpful

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the live alien i was like oh my god not this fucking insane case again i was like yeah jeff yeah sure

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nuclear physicist and ufo researcher uh uh stanton friedman oh okay yeah and he's the reason why a lot

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of us know about don schmidt and kevin randall we know about roswell today is because of the research

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those guys did and so stand friedman interestingly enough he was like one of the biggest bob lazar

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going to look at me like i need to up the dosage of the medication i'm not even on right i know that

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yeah like i'm not stupid you know i remember the 2021 when i came back i'd shot the whole doc and i

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i was going to come across as batshit crazy yes i was like let me put the film together first you know i

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actually saw like how the film was received in the general public because when i finished the

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phenomenon which is the last film that i'd done i was getting all kinds of mainstream media i was

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invited on all the shows tucker carlson like joe rogan cnn msnbc written up in the guardian it was all

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over the place right wing left wing all that and uh when the moment of contact came out it was crickets

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it was i mean the ufo community like held it up and i got a couple little not me podcasts you yeah

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you reported on it remember you brought in the you brought in the original sketches from the from the

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girls and and and then i watched rogan hear about it and i don't blame rogan he was feeling the same

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way everybody anybody would feel and i had a couple people i think it was uh the guy from minds uh sorry

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michael schellenberger might have gone first and then the guy from minds i'm so sorry mate i love

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you know before you draw any conclusions before you like write the whole thing off as i did and i

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don't blame you watch it and i really feel like maybe the first cut was a little premature it was

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walking through a town in brazil you know and i had people that were very concerned about the

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report on some aliens live aliens walking through this town and this that the other thing i was like

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i understand and i respect your skepticism i was there but i've been back and forth i've met the

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of people sort of leaning into it big time and then the more i uncover the more comes out and the more

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comes out the more i'm like oh yeah holy this case happened you know what i mean and now i'm like if

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the other it would be it happened no yeah no question because like i said earlier one person just

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one person in that film was telling the truth and then this story high level of probability happened yes

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they'd all have to be lying what are the odds of that like what are the odds of that and i know

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that people are skeptic skeptic people are always skeptical fair enough but italo like what the

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does this guy have to gain like why would he do that and why would he be a bar soap in the bathtub

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after him that's the what we do man we don't give up we get a lead and we go we go sometimes we go

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right back so what one of the um the documentaries that blew my mind out of all the ufo documentaries

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i've watched the one that like really kind of like reshaped my perspective on everything was the

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disinformation guy for the air force i think yeah and there was this do you know who paul benowitz

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is right i've heard the name yeah definitely yeah so paul benowitz was a um he was like a ufo researcher

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in the 80s i think it's been a while since i've i've talked about this so i'm kind of like a little

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bit fuzzy on it but he was researching ufos in the 80s he was living in nevada right next to

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businessman and ufo investigator okay so here's the story so he was he was filming and taking photos

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and he was a part of um mufon in the area and um he was getting like real photos and he was bringing

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investigate it so rick dodie knocked on his door introduced himself saw 90s 80s i i think it was the 80s

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any photographs that he took that we have no it all got taken okay oh benowitz was the target of a

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government disinformation campaign does it say what year steve product okay projects gatsbury was the

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ufo cover-up live is that the one you're talking about yeah so so so watch that i'll watch the

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yeah they found you know they figured out that what he didn't know was that the stuff that we were

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rick dody said that to him or to the cameraman in the documentary okay so rick dody goes back to

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visit benowitz and goes holy shit man you found some fucking aliens and then the nsa moves in across

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the street from benowitz's house and they start beaming signals into paul benowitz's house saying that

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he's a guy's guy who's so famous and he's like the nsa was that and he's like living in the

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house and he's like you're like you're like uh you're like a guy who's like in the house and he

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somehow the nsa moved in across the street and there were somehow beaming signals into his house

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And so they were gaslighting him to believe that this is some sort of alien race that's coming to the planet Earth.

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And what they thought was, because they wanted to get him off the trail of that this was U.S. technology.

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Because the military and the Air Force knew, because this is during the Cold War.

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They knew that the Soviets had infiltrated MUFON because they wanted to figure out what we had.

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So there were Soviet spies that were in the MUFON community there that were trying to get a better idea of what was going on as far as secret military stuff the U.S. had going on.

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So they wanted to poison the well of that local UFO community through Paul Benoist.

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Well, here's the thing.

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To make the guy super discredible.

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Well, so I did a relatively deep dive into the alleged landing of an unknown object at Bentwaters, England, the joint U.S.-British air base.

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I interviewed the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt.

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I think I'm the only one to ever interview the general, General Gordon Williams.

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I interviewed three of the primary witnesses.

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This is, let's see, it was, anyway, it was John Burroughs, Jim Penniston, and then the third guy, which I'm the only one to ever get him on camera.

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But pretty much if you listen to all the different stories and it took place over several nights, it's all pretty consistent.

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Deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt, went with a crew to go investigate because apparently the lights were back like a night or two later.

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And then, again, if you look at, listen to the tapes and you listen to all the various testimonies, the number of people that were there and witnessed certain aspects of the incident.

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Then he just goes off the handle.

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They were subjecting the witnesses, my men, to sodium pentothal.

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They were, like, you know, combing through all the evidence, allegedly took the photographs, said they didn't come out.

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Just, it's so inconsistent with every other single witness at the base.

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Because it's certainly a great way to muddy the waters, right?

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And I'll go back quickly to the, I think it was called the Warren panel.

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Was it the, no, Robertson panel.

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because people go, oh, if the phenomenon is real, why don't they land on the White House lawn?

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Just when they were talking about the swamp gas stuff?

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No, swamp gas was in the 60s.

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But this was intense because you had two, the Robertson panel was a result of two consecutive weekends at the White House, Capitol building, objects, swarming UFOs, military jets scrambled.

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It's on, look, just go to any archive, look up the front page of the news.

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It's in the newspaper.

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Front page everywhere across the country.

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So much attention that General John Sanford had held a press conference, and it was a big press conference, and it was televised, and it was like he was in uniform, and he was like addressed the issue, and the fact that, you know, people are of high credibility or experiencing these incredible things.

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They brought in the CIA.

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The CIA forms in early 1953 the Robertson panel.

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The Robertson panel told the Air Force, essentially, from all the people that I've talked to about it, look, you can't necessarily outright deny the phenomenon because there's too much compelling firsthand testimony, and there's photographs, and there's that, and the other thing.

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That's one of the aspects of dealing with the problem.

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The problem, right?

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And they call it a problem because the way the military looks at it is you've got objects of unknown origin.

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So they convened the Robertson panel.

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The Robertson panel, they adopted the Air Force of this policy of ridicule.

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No, and I think that those kind of tactics were used all the time, especially during the Cold War.

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You know, in the Cold War, the United States is known for being one of the darkest, most...

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That's when the U.S. government was trying to deceive the American public more than any other time.

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The president was assassinated in broad daylight.

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I wish I could say the same.

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And he examined the blinking habits of the general population.

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This is the level of precision and professionalism this guy is.

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He determined how often the audience of 200 people, 300 people...

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But that's the level of professionalism.

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And he goes, yeah, man, the CIA killed JFK.

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And that's the first time I ever really believed that JFK was taken out by us.

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But, yeah, crazy shit goes on within the U.S. government, no doubt.

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that's when they proposed the Operation Northwoods

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Golf of Tonkin, the whole Vietnam War.

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It's like, it makes you kind of wonder who's behind the curtain.

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And right in the middle of all this lying, guess what?

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We went to the moon.

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He was absolutely convinced we went to the moon.

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Sixth man to walk the moon.

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And I asked him about the controversy.

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She took me for a tour in her house, showed me all the photographs,

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what the astronauts were supposed to do under a number of operations.

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One is they missed the moon and they were jettisoned off into space.

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And she watched the whole thing from behind the scenes because she was the sister.

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And then she said, my brother was told that if Neil gets off the moon and he lands

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and he just sinks into the abyss or whatever happens, you're not to play the hero.

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You get in the ship and you leave his ass and you go rejoin the lunar orbiter

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and you get the hell back to Earth.

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I'd be the first one to tell you that.

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Because the Russians were watching.

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to let the Russians know, hey, we're the king of...

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I closed my eyes and I told him, I want every aspect of going to the moon.

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It was in the 90s.

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I had the most vivid dream.

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I swear to God, I went to the moon.

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What it was like to translute, I'd go around the earth and they have to turn on the rockets.

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They have to get the trajectory just like...

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He goes, we would either hit the moon or we'd ricochet off and be on outer space.

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And then I said, what was it like on the way to the moon?

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He goes, well, I watched the earth get smaller and smaller and the moon get bigger and bigger.

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But other than that, he goes, I might as well have been in a simulator because I was so focused on the task at hand.

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And then he said, when he got to the moon, it was his job to land the lunar lander.

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They had to separate from the lunar orbiter.

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I guess Michael Collins went around the moon, theoretically.

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And he landed and he said when he actually sat down on the lunar surface was the first time that he was like, oh my gosh, that's when it really hit him.

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And he said that NASA had gave him very explicit directions to sleep because they'd been up essentially for three days to get to the moon.

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Macromedeorites pelting the skin like you could hear it.

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Laying on the surface of the moon.

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They were like, we're on the surface of the moon.

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We're putting our suits on, told NASA, put their suits on and they went to the surface of the moon.

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He said he's walking around the surface of the moon and he said they had these big gardening gloves and they had Hasselblad cameras with no viewfinders.

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And he said he was like walking on the moon and he looked out and he saw this marble, this beautiful blue marble suspended in a vacuum of space.

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He goes, James, you don't know the vacuum of space until you're in space, the darkness.

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This blue life support vehicle, our spaceship suspended in the vacuum of space.

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And then when he was coming home after they reconnected with the lunar orbiter and then they did a trans-Earth injection back.

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He founded the Noah Institute to understand it better of this deep sense of interconnectedness, the molecules of his body.

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There's a connected, he could feel the molecules of his body connected to the spaceship, connected to the stars.

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I don't think he told NASA about it at the time.

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And if, you know, but again, I'm not here to debate whether we went to the moon or not.

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Give me 10 reasons why I went to the moon.

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And he's like, you can see the reflectors.

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We still have the crate, you know, the machine is still on the surface.

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I'm in the same boat as you.

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The whole world watching the biggest, most expensive operation in the history of mankind.

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He goes, it wouldn't surprise me just because it'd have to produce some high quality, good imagery to the world that maybe they did some stuff as a plan B that leaked out.

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Like imagine, and Steve, find the video on YouTube of the lunar module leaving the first surface of the moon again, the one that we pulled up with Duncan.

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Imagine that we had never gone to the moon.

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And I said, James, I went to the moon.

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You're going to be like, get the fuck out of here, Danny.

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Like, no, I went to the moon.

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I'll show you the footage.

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Now pull up the footage of that lunar module, and I'm going to show you evidence that I went to the moon, James.

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The most extraordinary feat of mankind ever.

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I'm going to show you the footage right now of my spaceship.

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I went to the moon.

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They left that camera on the moon.

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That's the reality show where they convinced the people they went to space.

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Why don't you get him on the show and bring this up?

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I had the guy in here a couple weeks ago.

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Invite him on the show.

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The number one denier.

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So Charlie Duke is the 12th man to walk on the moon on Apollo 16.

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He's one of the last four living.

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I can't imagine the overwhelming emotional experience.

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The emotional, like the, just like the overwhelming experience of stepping foot on the moon for

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the first time in your life.

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The only thing he could say to me was excited.

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This is really interesting because Edgar Mitchell told me, he goes, some of the, some of the

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Just another day at the office.

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And other people were just like, yeah, well, just another day at the office at NASA.

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Like if you had the opportunity to go to the moon, would you go?

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When I saw the earth getting smaller and the fact that I, it was like when I did scuba

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I think it was in the Bahamas.

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I'm pretty sure it was in the, no, no, no, no.

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So the cliff, I mean, the, the, the cave diving was pretty intense.

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cave and the visibility was amazing.

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So I kept periodically hitting my dive instructor, the dive master that was down there with us.

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I had half the amount of oxygen everybody else had.

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And finally I'm down in the fucking red.

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I had the same experience.

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But the thing that got me the most, I did a deep dive.

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When I got down to the bottom, wherever we were, I looked up at how far away the surface

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The boat is like a speck.

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Dude, I couldn't make it to the surface without that gear that I had.

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Like my life, like I've never seen the surface so far away.

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And the fact that I had to calm myself, like just calm down, dude.

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I climbed the Golden Gate Bridge.

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You climbed the top?

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The cable that goes all the way up.

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So the cable is designed to walk on.

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So my legs started to burn as I got towards the top because the angle goes steeper, steeper.

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And towards the top, man, it's steep.

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And I saw the cars like ants down below me on the freeway.

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And I was about three quarters of the way up.

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But I felt like I was going to pass out from the intensity of it.

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I mean, I kind of panicked when I was 120 feet down and looked up at the surface.

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And then I stayed focused with him and got to the top.

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When I got to the top, I told Donnie.

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It was like 3 o'clock in the morning.

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Look at the helicopters.

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I don't care what the consequence.

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And it, the cable just goes down into the void.

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And it wasn't so much that the physical feat of, like, it was that physically challenging.

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But it was the mental part of it.

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He's like going up the face of this, like, 2,000 feet.

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I'm the same way.

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That's, so, that's crazy to me that there's some of those guys that, like, that went to the moon, allegedly.

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There's nothing you can really pull out of them as far as, like, a deep, like, I feel like if I went to the moon, I would have more words to describe it than exciting.

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Buzz Aldrin, there was a guy that cornered, he was going around in the 90s and he was cornering various Apollo astronauts.

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This is the guy I had on.

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Put your hand in the Bible.

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Buzz punched him in the face.

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Yeah, Buzz punched him in the face.

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And then he says, you want me to call the CIA, have him whacked?

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But, but he does put his hand, he does say, he, Edgar Mitchell does say, I, I went, I walked on the moon.

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I just saw it the other day.

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I didn't realize that he actually swore in the Bible.

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Well, I don't know if he put his hand in the Bible.

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From the moon.

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That I walked on the moon on Apollo 14.

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That I walked on the moon on Apollo 14.

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Well, you know, you're the first astronaut to do that.

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We asked six other astronauts to swear on the Bible.

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Because I don't accept the Bible as a gospel of anything except a historical record.

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But we did go to the moon.

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You bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.

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So, you bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.

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That's the guy that I knew for 10 years.

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Met with him multiple times in California at the Snowitic Institute.

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He goes, he shows some footage that he found of like Putin watching an AI that says that the moon footage is fake.

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Faye Ann Potter told me that her brother had a sighting on the way to the moon.

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She said they saw something that followed them to the moon.

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with some BBC TV and he goes, yeah, we were on the way to the moon.

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Buzz admitted admission that they had a UFO sight on the way to the moon.

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So I got an interview with Buzz Aldrin in the 90s.

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And he was going to be in the South of France because I got wind that he was having.

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I worked on a film called The Legend of Obi Taggart with Mickey Rooney.

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And it was another guy that was there was the guy in Deliverance who...

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And the lead actor, the guy that gets...

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Was there on the film set.

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And we met for the first time at a restaurant called The Left Bank in Larkspur.

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And Jan was like, yeah, my dad told me that if the truth came about Roswell, it would have a devastating impact on organized religion.

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This is the biggest break ever of my career.

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I'm going to be in the south of France.

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And dude, the cheapest hotel I could find was hundreds of dollars a night.

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And he keeps putting the date off day after day.

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The most expensive place on earth, Monte Carlo, man.

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it's all the gazillionaires, whatever.

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He goes, well, meet me in the lobby of my hotel.

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Meet me in the lobby of my hotel.

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And then I'm in the lobby and I'm with Tim Coleman, Samara Pardee.

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And we're sitting down in a little cafe in the lobby.

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And the concierge comes over.

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And I walk over and take the call.

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I'm not going to do the interview.

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What do you mean you're not going to do the interview?

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And now he's getting, you know, berated in the media.

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like it takes people of your stature to come forward to help elevate the phenomenon in the story.

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I broke a big story on the Phoenix Lights case where I had the governor, Fife Simonton,

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And I found out the day of we're inside the studio, the green room.

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You know, you get your makeup put on in the green room.

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And I look over at Fife Simonton, the former governor of Arizona.

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This is, he landed on the moon of Paul 11, Neil Armstrong.

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staring him in the face.

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And he talked about it and he dug up the Larry King live stuff.

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Hold his feet to the fire.

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Why the hell not?

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You're the first man to walk on the moon.

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The biggest achievement of mankind, and you do two.

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One of them was the, like, what was it?

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The 20th or the 50th anniversary of the moon landing.

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The removed truths secretive layer?

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He said it was, they didn't want to bring it to the attention too much to NASA, but they were asking, like, where is this one thing jettisoned?

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They eliminated all these things, and they didn't want to say, hey, man, we're being followed by a UFO because they were worried that the mission would be scrapped.

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And then there's, like, Michael Collins, who was on that first panel, that first interview that they all did after the mission, right, where they all looked like they saw Jesus.

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The one guy's like, I don't remember seeing any stars.

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They're asking about the stars.

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The stars were so magnificent.

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The stars were beautiful.

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On top of the fact that all of the data and the telemetry data and all the technology was accidentally destroyed.

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Edgar Mitchell, oh, man, the story he told me, the level of detail.

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One of the best.

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I'm no one to debate the moon landing thing.

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I do know that some of the scientists that I'm friends with that talked about, there's

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Well, I got the event at the National Press Club, and I think this is coming out.

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need help because the immigration lawyer is like, hey, man, if you're ever going to get

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some weight from the American government, now's the time.

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Reach out to the consulate in Rio.

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They were half the crew.

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Yes, I'm sponsoring the event.

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I send them all the links to my films.

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They called the consulate in Rio.

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And then just a few weeks ago, they pulled the plug and said they're all denied.

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Even the people that were initially approved were denied.

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By the US?

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By the US.

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But the whole time when this was going on, I had an alternative plan.

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My sister had just died, by the way, just a few weeks ago.

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She was like, if it ever gets to the point where I can no longer take care of myself, James,

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She got stuck in bed towards the end.

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And she was like, if it gets to the point where I can no longer go to the bathroom by myself,

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So she did the whole, she had to go get a medical and psychological evaluation

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and to help the process legally.

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I can't even tell you all the moving parts on the American side, on the Brazilian side.

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Like if someone could have followed me around with a camera in the last nine months

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The mayor was helping out.

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two-minute statements, very official-looking, looking right at the barrel,

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you know, right down the barrel at the camera.

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It was like, okay, we'll get the people that got accepted, which were three.

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It's amazing that none of the searching got accepted.

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So he had to, like, go for the reapplication process.

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And then I've got the forensic pathologist trying to get him and his wife

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Chances are, you know, he has every reason to come back to the country.

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Then we had the crash witness, Marco Carlos de Souza.

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And then we have a senator, a sitting member of the Senate in Brazil,

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also attending as of right now, the event.

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And I'll provide copies of that to all the various media outlets.

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So if they want to report on it, they can show the clips.

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And then we're taking a short recess at the National Press Club at the ballroom.

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And they're basically making a plea to the current executive branch for immunity

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They're essentially saying, okay, we understand that the technology

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However, the biologics do not.

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And it's a plea to the executive branch for immunity.

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on the biggest event I ever did at the time,

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which is the National Press Club event that I had made a movie about called

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And he's like, you know, son, what's the worst case scenario?

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And he looked at me and he goes, well, the way I see it,

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the worst case scenario is you never went for it.

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I'm doing the best I can.

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You're the man.

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We'll link the, well, if there's like a link to the, by the time this comes out.

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And I say that because the old version of Moment of Contact, there's been some confusion.

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And I understand if you don't want to spot the $6.99 or whatever, sit tight.

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And the event for the National Press Club is on?

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One event starts at the National Ballroom, at the National Press Club, National Ballroom,

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