I don't think there's a better, more well-documented recent case in the world.
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Some of the most compelling eyewitness testimony into an alien being.
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The alien was alive in this bed right there.
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And so they came up, I don't know, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning and they came out there and they saw this cigar-shaped submarine or the size of a big school bus.
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All the animals were going crazy.
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And he said he got out of the car and the smell was so overwhelming.
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There was some sort of weird chemical acid on the grass.
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It was burning the grass.
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I had forgotten that he had touched the craft.
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Once they did the test on the bacteria, determined that this is nothing like they've seen in their entire careers.
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It was a strain of a bacteria that they've seen, but not the way this was evolved.
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And the way it was, it was, nothing could stop it.
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It's the biggest, most significant development in the history of the phenomenon because I challenge anyone out there to show me testimony from anyone, particularly a neurosurgeon.
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Not retired, not retired, who's putting his entire career on the line to say, I had face-to-face contact, telepathic communication for three to four minutes with an alien.
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And in the early afternoon hours, we witnessed a craft that was spinning in a clockwise direction about three to six thousand feet above the studio.
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We watched this craft for about five minutes and noticed a white orb shoot southbound across the parking lot at a height of about one thousand feet.
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While we tracked the orb, the craft disappeared.
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Five weeks later, on March 31st, 2022, I witnessed the craft in the same location at the same studio at a height of about one thousand feet, and it was massive.
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It was about the size of a coach bus, spinning in the same clockwise direction with no decals, no windows, no visible sense propulsion, moving in the same clockwise direction towards the horizon.
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I also witnessed this with two other crew members at the time and have had no explanation as to what it is.
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This clip features Dr. Italo Venturelli, who was the neurosurgeon who actually telepathically communicated with this being as it was lying in the hospital bed.
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I also want to say that this was not abundantly clear in James's documentary, but many people have addressed this online afterwards, that Italo had in fact kind of changed his story, where initially he said he'd seen a video of the being, and now he says that he was in the room with the being.
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The reason for that, from what I understand, is that he did not want to thrust himself into the limelight.
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Many people working at that same hospital obviously felt the same by keeping their privacy and anonymity.
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Now, he puts his reputation on the line as a neurosurgeon.
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And as we find out later in our interview, was actually fired due to his earlier comments prior to the release of this documentary.
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And they have since reinstated his position because the hospital couldn't function to its fullest capacity without him.
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I will let the video play for itself in its original language to convey both his emphasis, his cadence, and his genuine message.
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After which the podcast will begin.
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And in 1996, on the 20th of January, I was called to see a patient.
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I was called to give my opinion on the case.
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And I saw the case from the point of view of medical.
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One of the hands was inside the field and the other out.
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The eye was not red, was red, was red, also in shape of a gota.
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Two times, he looked at me, looked at the window, looked at me again.
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And the way of looking at him was a way that he looked at me.
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And the truth is that I am a testemunha ocular.
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I see the being, yes.
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we are talking about something that changes the concept of humanity,
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who saw the space船, we saw it, we saw it.
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And it's not easy to be here in front of the camera talking about this.
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That the younger beings believe that it exists, yes.
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with your presence here in the skiff.
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um, the video was glitching.
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because I was like, I couldn't communicate with this guy, and English wasn't on the table at all.
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Um, you, sir, have just released the next phase of moment of contact by the time this airs.
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And which is, you know, for me, possibly the most convincing case of not only crash retrieval, but of being interaction that I've ever heard.
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And it is an update to the previous moment of contact.
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What's the full title?
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And by the way, I believe farmers too.
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We're talking, uh, really the most credible people that a community could produce.
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In fact, it was quite the opposite.
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My second UFO documentary turned out to be out of the blue.
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I, I heard about it through my partner that we were producing out of the blue with.
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And, and these live aliens walking through the town and I just.
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I mean, I, I made it, I made out of the blue.
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The out of the blue came out.
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And, uh, that was a two hour special for the history channel.
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And at the end of that, I got invited to give a presentation in, in Brazil on the film I'd done.
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And a really good friend of mine who's been very influential behind the scenes and helping me get, uh, you know, distribution and stuff like that.
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Very high up on the entertainment industry, food chain.
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All I ask is that the people suspend judgment.
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And just listen to the firsthand eyewitness testimony because it's riveting.
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Most people would have the same reaction.
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You weren't confronted with the amount of evidence that you've compiled.
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Nobody came up to you and said, well, there's a head neurosurgeon that actually will testify that he looked at the live being in the eyes for several minutes and had telepathic communication with him.
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You weren't told, oh, there's a pathologist that once they did the test on the bacteria determined that this is nothing like they've seen in their entire careers.
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And I think most people would have felt the same way, but things have changed.
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Oh, I've gone, I'll by the time this airs, I would have been there three times this year alone.
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In fact, quite the contrary.
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I reluctantly after meeting with, with Stanton Friedman, who just so happened to be in the same place I was invited to the same conference I was the first time.
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I'm like, oh, James, you know, cause somehow it came up at the conference and we were in a place called Peru Ibi to the south of Sao Paulo.
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It was on the coast.
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In fact, I know it was on the coast.
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And, uh, he's like, oh yeah, you know, you heard about the case.
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That's, and Stanton is the reason why him and a handful of others that we, you know, Kevin Randall and Don Schmidt.
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And, but there, you know, there was, I think it was only one article when it happened in, um, I think it was the wall street journal written by one guy.
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And it was like, basically stinky aliens get the attention of, you know, the town and in a, in a place in Brazil.
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It was the only news coverage it got in America.
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That one little article in the wall street journal in 1996.
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So Americans didn't hear about it, even though the Americans and I didn't realize the Americans were involved with the case until like over a decade.
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like to go through, basically I watched the documentary and I took all my notes and I'd
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cutting, you know, we couldn't get into those, uh, in the film. Um, but also I want to spend a large
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part of this time going through the case of Marco Chirizzi and his autopsy report, which I've been
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provided. Yeah. Um, I have a copy of the autopsy report, which we've had translated. And for those
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of you who do not know, uh, Mr. Chirizzi was in the military and he was, he was the person who took
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this being in his arms and brought him into the hospital and then developed a severe bacteriological
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Yeah. And, uh, thank you, Dr. Giannini, who the founder of IPD, who did the, uh, analysis back in
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1996. And thank you, Dr. Armando for having the courage to come forward on camera for this latest
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cut and put your necks out for the rest of us, because these people have everything to lose,
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Uh, for Tato. Yes. Uh, the cardiologist. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well that who, who, who, uh, Marco went to go
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see right, uh, right at the beginning. Cause he had, he had problems. This was like, uh, this was
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need you to save my life. Um, because essentially he was ill and he spilled the beans in hopes that it
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to say what led us to the other guy, but yeah, we can still laser like focus on that. Let's go.
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Okay. Uh, Carlos, who was the original crash witness that you featured in the first moment of
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contact has an incredible emotional reaction to the crash site where he literally falls to his
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to talk to him and bring him to the crash site. Can you tell me what it was like watching him
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okay, so I'm going to back up for a minute. I did a film called The Phenomenon and in The
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Phenomenon, I worked for five or six years, maybe a little longer on the Virginia case,
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you know, and I was introducing Rua. I did a bunch of cases around the world, one in Australia,
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one in Africa, you know, just cases scattered across the world. And one of the cases I was going
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to cover in the film was Virginia. But at the end of the day, I got towards the end of the
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witnesses. We're missing the guy, the crash witness. It came forward one time and then
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vanished for 26 years. There was just other aspects of the story. And I decided to delete it
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out of the film, which was a very painful day. I call it killing your darlings. And I remember the
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very day when I, in the timeline and all the work I'd done and all the, you know, transcribe,
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you know, the subtitle, everything just click, boom, gone. And, um, and Marco was devastated.
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witnesses. We got to find the crash witness that we got to find, you know, Carlos de Souza
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it warrants it. Marco with, with the help of other Brazilian researchers and they found
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Hey man, can we take you back for the first time in 26, 27 years, wherever it's been to the crash site?
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So we go off to the site and we're driving around aimlessly and, and, you know,
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my leaning farm just outside Virginia and he can't find the bloody crash site. And we were
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looking all over in the movie. It's condensed to just a few minutes. I don't know. It could
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know where the bloody crash site is? Like, I mean, Oh yeah, it's been over a quarter of a century.
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military acts and these other people, cause you find a witness. And just because you find the
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Like he doesn't recognize anything that the topography had changed, you know? So I'm thinking
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There was a white, a small white house. I took the drone up in the, in the sky. And I remember
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seeing this tiny little roof off in the distance, some trees had grown. I guess you couldn't see it
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as it's unraveling and you're going to have to capture the moment or not. Like, and so we're all
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Cause he's like, stop the car, stop the car. You see it like panic in his eyes. He's like,
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And he's running, he's running down to the spot and you can just see like,
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in his face and tears flowing down his face. And it's a very dramatic moment in the, in the movie.
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I was thinking the whole time, like, this is not going well.
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because the craft that crashed there was like a tube, like structure was like some cigar, like,
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you know, and you know, with, with a breach in the hall and it was like, it was going down
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with your hand, the UFO was here and then it went here, you don't really visualize it,
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but when he had the stick and he went like this and I was like, whoa, that must be so wild to witness.
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I do. And it even had like a torn bit at the backside.
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Which is exactly what the craft he described. Everyone who saw the craft, either struggling in the sky.
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Yeah. Said that it had a tear in the back of it and they had like a white vapor smoke coming.
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Yeah. The farm, the farmers that live nearby.
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They, they also, they also said there was a breach in, in the back.
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Yes. And they said that they wouldn't have heard it or seen it had it not been for the animals on
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The cows, right. Yeah.
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Yeah. All the animals were going crazy. And so they came up, I don't know, two o'clock,
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three o'clock in the morning and they came out there and they saw this cigar shaped
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submarine or the size of a big school bus, all like aluminum cigar.
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Aluminum with a gash in the back with white vapor, not like a smoke from a fire. They described it
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as a white vapor coming out the back. And, and she was like, I was just waiting for it to hit the
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ground. Like it was struggling to stay in the air.
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Unbelievable. Then we have a new witness. And for the first time in this cut, we got maps,
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this is Furtado, this is the Orellina. This is where the actual thing crashed according to Carlos.
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You don't know at the time. It was like, we got the map. It was like, oh my Lord.
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You guys did that in the first one with the sort of suburb of, you know, the town.
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The encounter where we had the different blockades and we had, you know, where the girls saw the
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being. And, uh, but yeah, to, to, to, to see all the, all it all map out like that.
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Like, wow, that's exactly where the witnesses would be at that angle. And so, yeah, that was great.
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And we don't have to get into this now, but we also make the connection for the first time.
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We had featured, which my opinion is one of the better night shots of a disc craft.
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That is, yeah. For me, I mean, I was like the UFO nerd in me is like, dude, that's authentic.
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That's it, it lines up with, you know, all the stories you hear from, uh, was it Chuck
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But it lines up with what the stories that you hear about what he saw, which is like this
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If you look at also there's the, uh, the guy in, in Mexico who, uh, Carlos Diaz, Carlos
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to, it's kind of the same thing, this glowing molten thing.
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It's like, like the skin is alive.
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Like, like phosphorus on a beach, but the whole thing is just glowing.
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too shut up, which is par for the course when it comes to the UFO stuff.
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They all say the exact same thing, whether it was from the Americans or whether it was
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from, you know, the, uh, Brazilian military.
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But before, so, so when Carlos was driving on the freeway early in the morning to go
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ultra light flying, um, he saw in the sky was early in the morning, 4 35 AM, something
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He saw that cigar shaped craft exactly like the other witnesses described.
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So he got off the freeway and he saw it just crash into the ground and he came up there
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and he was thinking, I'm going to help the pilot.
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And he arrived at the scene and he said there was a half a piece of the cigar shaped craft.
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About half the size of a large school bus intact.
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And then the other half was scattered over a very large area, bigger than a football field
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And, um, and he said he got out of the car and the smell was so overwhelming, like, of like,
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There was some sort of weird chemical acid on the, on the grass.
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It was burning the grass.
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And then when he let it go, it would reform into the shape that it was in when he picked
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And that's when military trucks from the base, as I'd come in from the opposite direction
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I had forgotten that he had touched the craft.
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And resembles a lot of, you know, the Roswell lore as well about the memory metal or whatever.
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And then the smell, obviously the tying, you know, the string that ties this all together
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is this overwhelming smell of ammonia and sulfur, which is also comically the only thing
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that made it to this article in the United States about the stinky alien.
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And this is something that I've been doing recently is I'm asking all the witnesses, the
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this, I think it's good to put it at the top of the episode.
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Can I give you my proton, text it to you and you can put it across the screen?
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think could aid in his research and into the investigation of what happened.
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Particularly on the American side.
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So the crash retrieval happened.
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And I talked to some of the most leading researchers in Brazil that have been scratching their heads
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But the, the most plausible, according to everyone that I've talked to, is that they
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By the water, through the water.
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Through the water, through the waterways.
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But also, you know, because later on we'll encounter this family, an entire family, by the
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And then other people in town who also admitted to the same thing, that there was this reconnaissance
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effort that seemed to, everybody said the same thing.
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But if you look at the pattern something's doing, you're like, it's looking for something.
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Because when we were at their house, I had flown the drone up prior to that really high
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to get a really good, you know, I put the camera straight down.
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I really want to get a lay of the land.
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I want to see where the, where the creature was allegedly captured by Eric Lopes and Marco
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I want to see where the girls encounter the creature, like, you know, in proximity to where
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So the girls see it here, captured here, just a few blocks away.
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And then five blocks away is the, the, the family that we interviewed, the entire family,
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the mother, the husband, the daughter, they were right here.
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And that craft was flying exactly over the area where all this went down.
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So whatever your drone was seeing was what the craft was seeing essentially.
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And, and I think at this point with the amount of evidence you brought forward, it's
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Um, this town smells, it's the, the smell is being carried out.
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In fact, the news crew then gets alerted about, you know, Hey, maybe we should investigate
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I'd heard about, I'll, I'd gotten one nay, but not the two others.
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And they went on camera for the first time, basically saying that they were making inquiries.
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They were stopped at the military blockade, but the other two had gone to as a military
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And they said to the news reporters, you ask one more question and you're going to jail.
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The reporters are doing their job.
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And neither is the, there was, there was some effort to like write off what the girls had
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And I was like, oh my God, that's the big, that's so absurd that that everyone's seen
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whatever they could against the wall to see what would stick.
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The skeptics of this case after watching and reading through the autopsy report and
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hearing the witness testimonies, the skeptics of this case look more insane to me than any
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Because if you're coming up to me after watching this, reading through the documents and looking
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at all of the evidence that you've brought forward over the last 15 years, if you're
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hospitals in the area, the head neurosurgeon, who's still active, still working there today.
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It's like, plus the chief of police, plus the military actually drove it, plus the three
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The guy that, the, the guy that took the x-rays.
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Then you got the video of a craft matching the description in and around, oh yeah, it's
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a little to the South, but at the same year, it's just, oh my gosh.
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Especially the neurosurgeon.
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You cover this in the first one.
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We revisit in the second one, probably some of the most compelling eyewitness testimony,
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Uh, uh, yeah, there was, uh, uh, anyway, coming to me to say, Marta was the sister of the
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The third one that spoke Portuguese with a heavy accent called them foreigners, uh, offered
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American dollars, a briefcase filled that they could leave the country, live out their
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Leave my house or I'm calling the police.
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In fact, she was one of the first people after decades of hearing these so-called men in
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I was like, I looked her in the eye.
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This woman's telling the truth.
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Oh, I mean, Pacacini disappeared for the better part of 20 years.
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Pacacini was one of the lead researchers.
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He's seen the video of the creature.
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He's so Pacacini was one of the lead researchers.
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And Ubarajara Rodriguez was a very well-known lawyer in the state.
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The state of Minas Gerais in Virginia.
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And now he's getting back involved with the case again.
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Like you mentioned in the first documentary, there was like their neighbors were like,
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Meet with them, look them in the eyes, get to know each other.
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the right conditions or maybe hide their face, whatever, whatever.
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all the money in the world that I'm ever going to come forward.
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And, and, um, and then we kind of got into his involvement in the official capacity for
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the military, driving the creature, blah, blah, blah, seeing it in the hospital, all this
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Seeing the, seeing the feet.
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Like maybe he would meet with us and maybe under the right circumstance, he would go on camera.
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I said, we're getting in the car and we're going right now.
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So we go, anyway, we ended up getting him on camera from the back, disguised as a voice,
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So, and, uh, I think it was like the next day or maybe the day after we were going to
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meet with a gentleman that was also involved in the, um, transportation or he was, he went
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He went to one of the hospitals, allegedly had shot some video and we were going to make
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I think it was the next day or the other day after.
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And Marco was going to pose as the cousin of military acts.
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Well, so military acts got a phone call and it was from the base and they said, Hey, how
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Well, listen, you take care and glad the family's doing well.
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Happy to hear you're still living at the same address.
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And, uh, and then summoned the individual that we were going to meet into the base.
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So that individual that we were going to meet with the next day.
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No, you guys were chasing the same leads.
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We were chasing and, and had I had 24 more hours, we probably would've seen the footage.
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Like, it's like a bar of soap in the bathtub.
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And I say to anybody out there who's feeling frustrated because they want to see the footage,
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there's nobody on the planet Earth that wants that more than I do.
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So that individual that we were going to meet with the next day, my point is this,
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No, you guys were chasing the same leads.
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We were chasing and it, and had I had 24 more hours, we probably would've seen the footage.
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Like, it's like a bar of soap in the bathtub.
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Speaking of which there is a video circulating, uh, that claims to be, uh, the real being it's,
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Uh, so I, what I would do is, uh, if I get the video for free, I'm going to give it away for free.
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If I get the video to purchase the video to recoup, to pay whoever back, I'll, I would figure that out, but I would give it away for free.
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I I'd like the world to see it.
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I think the world should see it.
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Um, uh, I would have all the firsthand eyewitnesses take a look at it first.
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Do we know the providence of this?
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Like that would do the best one can.
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And the reason why I know that is because I've talked to people that have seen it, the photographs.
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I actually talked to the chief of police, Marco Leal, and I went and doorstepped him not too long ago.
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Cause you know, the fire department is also part of the military.
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You know, the police department is also part of the military.
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Uh, the doctors in both hospitals, Humanitas and regional hospital took video.
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So the cameras had, sorry, the doctors had cameras readily available at the hospitals to record various procedures.
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Um, then the military.
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People in, you know, so the military got video.
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I'm sure the Americans got video.
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Um, uh, the fire department, the police department, and the doctors all got photos and or videos.
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Because I've talked to people that have seen it, multiple different sources, civilians, doctors, military, that have seen the videos.
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If this happened since the iPhone came out, this is disclosure.
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But the further we get into technology, you know, there's this one pocket because now we're getting into AI stuff.
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And so, you know, if, if another one does happen, obviously the biggest argument is going to be, it's all AI generated, right?
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And the other day it ends up capturing the first being.
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It's interesting because even Marco Cirisi was involved in the capture.
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I mean, alien in the sense that it was foreign, right?
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They didn't know what the hell that was.
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And I'd heard stories of people throwing rocks at it on the outskirts of town and going into this forest.
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And that's when the, the, uh, earlier that day is when the fire department captured it with a net.
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And that's according to some of the witnesses that went on camera, uh, back in 96 said that it cried like a little baby when it was in captivity.
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Then the third one kind of missing at one point.
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That's what the, uh, the police officer, the police chief, he saw a creature under the, under a net or under a blanket or a canvas of sorts.
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Um, and then he talked about the, uh, military activity that was going on as he said, he saw more brass than he's ever seen in his, in his career, uh, there.
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And that was Pedro Luis Aguiar, the retired police chief.
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And, um, we almost got to him on the first round.
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Cause he was like, okay, you can come by my house, give us the address.
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And on the way there, we took a slight deviation.
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And I ended up meeting, you know, the owner was like, oh, where are you guys from?
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And there were half the crew were like, you know, oh gosh, we had a mission.
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So we got the only on camera interview, you know, with, with him talking about the incident.
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Cause we just got our foot in the door in the house.
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I don't know the details, but we just found out yesterday that he died.
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Do you think that that might've been part of the reason why he felt it was important
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One thing is there's a couple of very indelible moments in the filming of, of moment of contact,
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And at one point, because we got his son and him answered the door.
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And, uh, we got foot in the door, started talking to him.
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And then I think I had a mic on me and then they had the sound guy in the car outside.
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Then the camera guy came in and then we just started to slowly get an interview with him
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And his son was sitting kind of close to him, but his wife was sitting at the table and he
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was sitting on the couch.
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And I'm looking at Dave going, Dave, are you getting the wife?
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Like, are you getting the wife?
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Yeah, yeah, I'm getting the wife.
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I was like, cause I, she was like, I'm getting the wife.
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Cause I was talking about the photograph that I heard he'd had.
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And then I said, I kept hammering him and he would change the topic and I would go right back to that photograph.
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There's a military and maybe a fired him in, in the background, you know?
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And, uh, and the wife was just looking at her husband like this.
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For me, that's the look of someone who's also seen the photo.
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And, um, and then he said, when I kept hammering him on the phone, I have this all on video.
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He said, uh, there are some things within the police department or the military or police
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I, you know, I mean, it's the Holy grail, right?
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It is the Holy grail.
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It's it's the Holy grail of humanity.
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It's the Holy grail.
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I don't know the circumstances.
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But, you know, by the time your audience, uh, sees this, I would have been back with a team again to Brazil.
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Go through the shoe box of photos that they have in their closet.
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We're meeting with the mayor.
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And I could always be wrong and I've been wrong in the past, but I feel like this is the beginning of the beginning in the sense that it, we might reach critical mass.
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And I'm in the inner circle with the, with the doctors, with the forensic pathologists, with the neurosurgeons.
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We're spending time at their local restaurants, meeting the communities.
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And last time, one of the first times I'd met with the forensic pathologist, he was extremely guarded and he runs, I don't know, like, like there are even times when we were communicating back and forth and he's like, oh, your communication is too fast.
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So I took a video immediately in the States and I said it to him, like, this is me.
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These two gentlemen were working for the military and they were, uh, essentially patrolling the area.
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And that evening of this, uh, barricade happening and that evening where the first creature was apprehended by what seems to be like the fire department or something.
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That was there in the morning.
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That was in the morning.
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And then later in the evening, they drive and come across this creature just kind of crossing the road.
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So we have testimony from like the local newsmen.
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We have testimony from residents in the area that came upon that blockade, that military blockade at gunpoint threatened with national security, like not messing around.
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And if you look at where the blockade is, which we did, it's right in the area where the girls came and encountered this, this creature, this crazy creature, which we go into detail with in broad daylight, 10 feet away up against that cinder block wall.
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And then just two blocks away, a couple of hours later, same blockade around that area is where the capture occurred.
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And that was the reason for the blockade, essentially.
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That was the reason for the blockade.
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And so he jumps in the car and off the two of them went.
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And lo and behold, right at dusk, he's, this, this creature ran across the road right in front of him, just a couple blocks away from where the girls are, just a few hours later.
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And Marco Schriez, 23 year old, super fit, uh, military guy, without a moment's hesitation, without, you know, any concern for his own safety, just leaps out the back of the car, the, the, the, the, the passenger seat of the car and grabs the creature.
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My understanding was, is that he put it on his lap in the back seat.
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And in the process of grabbing it.
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So, and then they take it to a clinic and one of the doctors apparently came out to greet them in the car.
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They have a plaque out front to find like, this is the hospital where a live alien was brought to.
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All official from the town.
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I can share the picture with you.
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So, and it describes the whole thing.
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So I go in to the reception where the people go in the front and I asked them all the people working there.
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Hey, you know, the, the, the 1990s.
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This is where the alien was brought.
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They said, oh yeah, we brought the alien was brought in around the back.
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They didn't bring it through the front.
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It was brought in the back.
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And the other doctor that we were dealing with, the neurosurgeon was working there that night, but he was, he, he was busy.
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You know, I'm reminded of like the Aztec crash, 1948 in Aztec, New Mexico, which got covered up as a hoax almost immediately.
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If you Google it, it's the hoax at Aztec.
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The military authorities were like, this is how we do it.
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The FBI covered it up.
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Uh, once the FBI got involved, but anyways, I digress.
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Uh, at this hospital, um, Marco Turezzi, uh, gets to this hospital, uh, where they, you know, bring the being and.
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And then he was admitted into, uh, one of the hospitals, uh, uh, regional or humanitas.
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And until he went into the ICU and then died.
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He told us this happened that we kind of captured this thing because this, that, and the other thing.
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Like, and the only way that Marco could help himself was to say the truth because his life depended on it.
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He wasn't gonna hold a national security secret and take it to the grave.
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He said that he threw the kitchen sink at him.
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So, um, here we have the autopsy report because unfortunately Marco Cerezi ended up passing away and.
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And they were demanding and she's only, she's only done one interview, the wife, right?
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Hell of a time fighting to get the autopsy report.
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The reason for death.
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Could not get the, the, and even, even the reason for death, death was, uh, general.
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this blockage and then they wanted to charge the money.
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And it was like, you know, the sister was going after it.
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The wife was going after it.
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But now we have the autopsy report.
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And I was like, I'm going to get the comments directly from the guy who owned the company, IPD.
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Janini founded IPD and you should look up the acronym for that.
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The pathologist who's done folks get this over 50,000 autopsies.
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And if you know, and he says, from all I can gather, that bacteria came from under the nail of the ET, scratched him under the armpit right here.
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So here is, we're going to go through the autopsy comments a little bit here.
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So we had the, uh, the, uh, we had the necropsy report, the considerations, the conclusions and everything.
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And it says based on, um, the medical findings and background information.
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Uh, this is a consolidated, and this is from that doctor, a consolidated English translation that maintains factual accuracy while making the content accessible.
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So the medical findings summary.
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Uh, multiple lungs showed inflammation with fluid fill, uh, filling the air sacs, making breathing difficult.
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Septic pulmonary thromboembolism, which are blood clots containing bacteria were found in lung blood vessels, indicating the infection had entered the bloodstream.
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Uh, early stage, uh, heart inflammation or myocarditis, uh, initial signs of heart muscle swelling were present, suggesting the infection was beginning to affect, affect cardiac function.
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The liver showed blood vessel enlargement and fluid buildup.
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Uh, armpit abscess infection, testing of fluid in the armpit abscess revealed abundant growth of stiff, uh, staphylococcus, uh, scleferi bacteria.
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And, uh, here are the key points about this infection.
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Um, so the staphylococcus scleferi typically causes skin and ear infections in dogs and cats.
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Like this is breaking putting his full endorsement down on this right now on camera, not anonymously his entire career in the twilight years of his life, because he feels like this is, this is.
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Cause you're doing a great job by the way.
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But in this case here, the things that, uh, really stand out one, no prior surgery occurred.
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So normally with something spreading so fast across the immune system, you would expect some type of immunocompromised disease to be happening.
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The bacteria showed unusual antibiotic resistance.
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And this is the one thing that ended up, uh, baffling both, um, you know, both doc, both, uh, uh, Janini and, uh, Armando.
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Fortunato, uh, the forensic, uh, pathologist and former municipal, municipal health minister as well.
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So both of these gentlemen were completely baffled by the fact that they couldn't give him antibodies.
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None of the antibiotics that they gave him worked at all.
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Can you imagine being a professional pathologist who has all the latest technology, all the answers and how not only frustrating, but how disheartening it must be to throw your best medical capabilities at this thing.
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Now in the, um, sort of synopsis or, or conclusions and comments that, uh, these doctors give or this doctor here, particularly, uh, Dr.
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Janini, the infection likely entered through a minor skin break, as you said, small abrasion, uh, due to possibly he says the nail of the being.
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Given the extreme rarity in humans and the unusual aggressive nature of this infection, some have suggested the possibility of a deliberate biological manipulation of this, uh, bacteria, similar to how Komodo dragons use bacteria-laden saliva to weaken prey.
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It's the only thing that this doctor can sort of pin.
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Is the Komodo dragon, when it bites you, it weakens you due to the bacteria that it has in there.
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Um, but also as researchers, we might also be familiar that this secretion that the being had might've been like excretory.
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I think that inadvertently and by accident, when Marco Scherzi, military police officer grabbed this thing, he got a scratch from the nail under his arm.
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That's not the case at all.
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That's one of the reasons why we're so cautious.
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Anytime we do because exp exposure to a type of bacteria and the way he described it to me, cause I'm a complete neophyte.
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Even though it was, it was a strain of a bacteria that they've seen, but not the way this was evolved in the way it was.
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And, and if that is the case, it's also just a case of self-defense that the body produces naturally.
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And if this was the being's excrement, what do you think happens if a being from another planet, uh, takes some of our excrement and injects it into its bloodstream, you might have a similar response.
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Um, the one thing that I found really interesting.
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Here is the wording at the, at the near the end here of the comments.
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So in the hypothesis, in the hypothesis considered by many, this is the official autopsy involving an encounter with a strange being.
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And that's the only explanation he has.
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He's saying the highest probability from all the information he can gather is that he got scratched from the nail and the bacteria came from under the nail of the ET under his arm and that killed him.
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Um, so this is the first time that we have access to this autopsy report.
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You did a great job reading it by the way.
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And it's, uh, I think it's one of those things that when you put out this movie the first time, like when you put out the first iteration of this movie, um, it stuck with a lot of people.
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That's one of the few things that that movie just stuck with you was someone dying due to infection because they came in contact with a being.
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Or, or, or even just touching the being.
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Cause everybody, according to the firsthand eyewitness testimony that I've talked to that came in contact with this creature, that it was not hostile.
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Uh, and all the communication occurred through the eyes.
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No antibodies could phase this thing, by the way.
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Well, Dr. Cesario said he threw the kitchen sink.
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I think he died through two to three weeks after he handled the creature.
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Coming to the hospital.
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We're going to move forward to a next, the next part of the documentary.
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And this is where we talk about the flying disc.
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Uh, and the family that you met with, uh, who quote unquote says when they saw this disc
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spinning, glowing in the air, they said it was looking for something.
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And I was highly dubious at the time.
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It's funny because, so we were renting a house on the outskirts and it was great.
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And of course we told the doctors, like, we're filming this.
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That was the whole point.
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Let's get the address.
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And it was really funny actually in the, in the film because so I, I got out of the car cameras rolling and they're saying, and I wasn't really tuning in because I'm in film mode.
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Cause I was like, okay, we can either film them from the front side.
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We can blur their faces or we can film with the backside.
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You watch it in the film.
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We don't, we don't have the pre context of them saying we don't want to be filmed.
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I couldn't process at the time.
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And then, you know, the drone footage and proximity to the capture, proximity to where
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the girls seen it was right there, man.
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Still living in the same home.
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All three witnesses, the mother, the wife, the daughter, and they all watched it for
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It wasn't a quick sighting and they were like slow and methodical the way they described
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And I slowly came to the realization, like shit, this might be a crash retrieval recovery
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And then we're talking to other people in town and go down in the town square.
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We're getting other witnesses saying the same damn thing.
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And then when we recut the movie and we had featured, like I've done with this latest cut, you know, crash retrieval cases, you know, Magenta, Roswell.
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Very briefly, we're not getting bogged at Kecksburg, Kingman, you know, the landing at Bentwaters.
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And the same thing, like in the old version of moment of contact, which is all done.
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Now that the new, the opening we talked about, you know, Ubatuba, we talked about, you know, UFO, oh, Calares, UFOs over Brazil, 1986.
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And then of course we, we lead our way into, and then we, we show some photographic evidence over the years.
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So I'm like deleting that whole first part of the movie to make space for this entirely new cut of moment of contact, new revelations of alien encounters.
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Um, just to make the distinction.
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Uh, one of the, some of the best disc footage at night I've ever seen.
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So I look up the location just to the south, like by the crow flies.
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Just to the south of Virginia, Brazil, same year, just a couple months later, same year.
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We happened to have a disc in the night sky, exactly like all these witnesses were describing flying around in a neighborhood.
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Cause I said to Marco, I was like, let's give, let's sprinkle in some of the best like orb footage.
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Other fellow researchers found it, but no one had ever been like, Hey, this is by the way, it's great footage.
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I Googled the location.
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I'm like, wow, that's just to the south of Virginia.
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And it's the same year, just a few months later.
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And it looks like, you know, all the descriptions, like I said, of over residential area at night.
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You know, one thing that we should definitely consider doing is that I should give you the best copy I have of that.
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Well, what I don't know the process, but like whatever we, one can do to enhance it, because I would love to do a deep dive.
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I actually love the film grain and I like the digital, you know.
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But as soon as I see this sort of glowing shape and the shape of what it is.
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You hear the little boys, the little boy go, it's a disc mom.
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It's funny actually, cause the wife's like NASA, NASA, NASA.
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Ubi Jara Rodriguez was there and he probably hated the fact that we, that they exposed him on that, but he was there with American.
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The guy that did a 180 years later too.
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He was the original researcher.
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He was the lawyer that came out right at the beginning.
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He was the one annihilating everybody else's arguments.
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He was super smart, super educated, super aware of the case.
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That's the whole family.
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Tell him, what did they tell the family?
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And this UFO researcher is right there in the trenches.
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And I was like, that's the name of that guy.
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That's part of the coverup.
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Part of the coverup meeting with Americans.
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about the Varginia case being real to now working apparently allegedly with the Americans
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The girls were very, very upset with him.
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Some of the things he said.
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Cause the girls have had everything to lose and nothing.
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I mean, they talk about it in the movie.
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Oh, you want the job?
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Like, oh, you're, aren't you the one that sees ET?
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Like, oh yeah, you're the guy, you know, it was just like the police officer,
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He quit his job as police officer because people were like, oh, you're the guy that sees ET, right?
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He quit his job, worked at a dump for the rest of his life, for the rest of his career.
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Pacacini, the lead investigator.
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You're one of the only people that I, that is pointing that out.
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We move on to another anonymous, uh, witness who wanted to remain anonymous was the radiologist.
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And this is for me, one of the craziest ones because he's like, they bring in this small body bag, which is so chilling.
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So, uh, Marco Leal, who's an exceptional researcher, boots on the ground is my partner, co-producer.
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There's also another co-producer, um, Aline, uh, Kras, uh, more recently she's joined the team, but Marco had met some students of his at some school in Virginia.
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And somehow the topic of, of Virginia UFO, you know, case came up and they were like, oh yeah, our teacher who's a radiologist at so-and-so told us this crazy story, you know?
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So he found him, but he was still working at the time.
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But as long as we disguised his, disguised his voice and filmed it from the back.
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Like, I mean, he talks about the fact that the military came in, they had this something inside a Ziploc, you know, bag, body bag, body bag, a child's body bag.
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Cause I always ask witnesses, like, can you put me in the room?
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Like, what was the atmosphere like?
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The only time in the history of his career where he took the x-rays and they wouldn't even let him process to see if they came out right.
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Oh, that was in the other room.
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That was the driver.
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I'm, I'm mistaken the two.
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In the regional hospital.
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For the first time we have.
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That it's the military man, uh, military man X who ends up seeing the alien in a box when he goes to the hospital.
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And, and that was just such a, an amazing interview at the end of, you know, the, the first, uh, part of this.
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Um, after this, this is when we hear about in the documentary, the USAF, United States Air Force.
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So all the airplanes coming into a particular area, according to, if they come from out of outside Brazil, uh, have to have a Brazilian government authorization to land.
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What's the name of the people that did monitor all incoming flights?
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Apparently, according to him, the plane was coming in and didn't have-
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The plane was coming in, didn't have authorization.
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And some high level military official, Brazilian military official stepped in and said, let the plane land.
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And we have testimony from military acts that he drove the trucks from Humanitas Hospital to, as a military base, and then from Eza to Campinas.
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That would have been where the Americans stepped in.
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And I don't know how long the creature that was in captivity that was alive, we don't know how long it stayed alive.
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Was it alive when the Americans took it?
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More pieces of the puzzle are filling in, because now we have testimony from, you know, the military actually drove the creature.
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Well, we've had that, but now we have testimony from the, um, chief of police.
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He was like, yeah, I saw a creature under a tarp, something under a tarp, more brass than I've ever seen in the history of my career at, as a military base.
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And he's like, yeah, the Americans came to Campinas.
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And that's when they took the, they took the, the stuff.
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Which as we find out a bit later, pissed off a lot of the local military.
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Um, you then, which I thought was just the coolest thing ever.
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Of the CIA or, or not of the CIA of the United States Air Force.
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And I had a lot of incoming information and just processing after the Joe Rogan appearance
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Just trying to, you know, receive all the messages, process all the messages, try to
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And I was like, okay, all flights coming into the United States.
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I don't know what the span of time was.
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I can't remember, but I wanted to make sure it was before the crash and like, you know,
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We get a response from the CIA.
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And what, what pray tell does the CIA tell you to no surprise?
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The information according to the 1949 act, you know, and you could show the document.
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Why would we get about to reach out to the CIA?
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I should get some of the members of Congress that I'm working with to do that.
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I did find out that one of the bodies most likely went was on the East Coast and that's
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The bodies went to the East Coast.
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I found out somebody from the DIA told me that.
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That's what the individual said.
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That it would go to the East Coast.
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And, and then the individual was like, that's, that's, that's as far as I'm going.
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He's the head surgeon at the hospital regionale in.
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He was the head of three hospitals folks.
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I don't, I'm not going to name which one, but we have someone on the inside who's been
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meeting with us off the record, discreet, very discreetly and saying, this is, you need
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And so we would tell Marco has been like, okay, this is the individual.
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This is the doctor we need to talk to.
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another doctor through our contact on the inside, working in this hospital. Um, the Dr. Italo was
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shown the video. Okay. So Marco arranges a time where it was like, you know, a zoom call a little
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know, knowing Marco was recorded, but I was on the other end of it and he was a translator and he
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still on our target is still like on our, in our sites. Right. But I really wanted to get the two
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the bacteria that we could possibly incorporate in a new cut of moment of contact. And, um, so we're
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doing these interviews with them at IPD. You can look up the acronym for that, but it's basically the
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two forensic pathologists. It's the company that did the analysis, the tissue sample analysis of the
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deceased military officer, as well as, uh, the doctor that did the autopsy on the deceased military
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We're really trying to breach him. And that was Dr. Italo and, uh, Dr. Armando, who did the autopsy
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on the deceased military officer. He goes, Hey, yeah, hold on a second. Pulls his phone out.
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morning. Wow. Go around to the back gate at regional hospital. He's going to meet you there
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at 10 o'clock, say 10 o'clock. All right. Okay. So the next morning we all get in the car,
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cameras rolling, sound guy, let's roll. We go to the back gate, the back, back entry point,
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not the front, the back. And it was like, that's kind of odd. We didn't know exactly what was
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happening. And, and that's when he walks out in his full scrubs. Yeah. He's, he's working in the,
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he's, he's working and he sneaks us in the back and he's sneaking us down these long cord
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corridors. And, and I'm talking to the camera. What are you thinking? Like, where are we going?
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Unbeknownst to our whole team, since the year before meeting where we confronted him on,
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did he see the video? He had a heart attack. He went into the ICU. He was staring at the ceiling.
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he had a heart attack in 2018 and died. And so he was apparently staring at the ceiling in the ICU
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thinking, shit, I'm going to take this to the grave, just like my partner. Like then on top of
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just like still working at the hospital. Had a wake up call. Had a wake up call. And he was like,
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you know, for the sake of my grandchildren, you know, future generations, I'm not going to take
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this to the grave. So he sneaks us in and I have no idea what's going on. Everything's happening
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Marco's there. Alini's there. Translator, you know, and, and takes us into the ICU. Then he
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starts talking about, you know, this is where I, you know, this is where I saw the video is in this
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bed. And then he was just like, yeah, the ET was right here in this bed, right here in this room.
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I'm like, wait a minute, the video, the ET, what, what? And then it all comes out. Like, yeah, I was
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here that night. Marcos Vinicius is the one that performed the procedure. I was in this room with
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the ET. I'm just, I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Like, this is all unraveling, all on camera.
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It's happening where he was just saying, I don't care what the consequences are. I don't care anymore.
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forward and he's doing it. And then we're filming. I'm just shocked. The whole thing is just like,
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I can't believe this is happening. Like, I don't, this development is one of the biggest, if true,
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it's the biggest, most significant development in the history of the phenomenon, because I challenge
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Not retired. Who's putting his entire career on the line to say, I had face-to-face contact,
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studied Spanish for a few years. So, and when I'm in the field, no matter where I'm in China or in
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Africa, wherever the hell I am, I really want to know what's being said. Like, I, you have no idea.
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when I'm in the field, I need to be able to communicate with people. I need to see,
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like what's happening. I'm feeling the energy in the room. Bam. Like all the, the hospital staff
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catch us filming in there and they're pissed off and they grab the neurosurgeon and they're like,
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Before you go to this next location, which ends up being, I think one of the most
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important interviews I've ever seen. Yeah. Um, he's sitting there pointing to the bed
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and saying the being was under blank, like tucked, like a little patient. He said he looked like a
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seven, he had the body of a seven year old and the skin was white. Yes. Pale. Yes. And he said,
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the eyes were reddish. He didn't say red. Yeah. You know, a lot of people thinking these glowing
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red eyes, that wasn't the case. They were red maybe even from, you know, and contrary to other
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Also what the, or maybe the heat of the hot sun. Also. And the molecular biologists that allegedly,
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there were thousands of pores on the skin, uh, in that their whole system would excrete through the
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skin. So very similar, but. What are other animals that excrete, that excrete through the skin? Is it pigs?
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he says he had control of the room. Yeah. Despite the fact that it was in captivity,
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it had control of the room. Yeah. And when he looked at it in the eyes,
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Like he knew everything I was thinking. And he said it was the most advanced intelligence.
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Yeah. And he was, and then I remember asking him like, because we got kicked out of the hospital.
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You know, and it's all happening quickly. It's like, you know, the confrontation with Eric Lopes
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going into a cafe. I mean, we were just walking through the streets, doing it where the hell
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I saw that. I saw the staff in the back and like, what's going on?
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you know, you ask him about the being and he starts going, you know, there was no evil.
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the eyes of that being. And that was just so powerful seeing how emotionally worked up he
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You, you, you get the sense that this immense weight was in that moment for the first time,
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perhaps in three decades, he was able to communicate the profound nature of his exchange,
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his telepathic communication with an extraterrestrial with someone else. Um, the fact
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that you caught that on video is, is incredible. And, and the whole movie, I gotta say David West,
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our DP had such a tough task at hand because everything was on the fly. Nothing was set up.
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He had light coming in from the windows. He was like, James, I was hustling. I was trying not to
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on the face, trying to get you like it was all on the fly. And David West did a remarkable job.
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one point, the camera pans across to him and he's, he wipes his forehead and he shakes his head a little
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did I just hear what I thought I heard? And then, you know, as someone who's investigated the case,
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Then the head neurosurgeon, dude, grabs my hands and he kisses my hands. He's like, you can believe
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it. You can believe it. And that's when he says, there's so much to learn from the eyes of that
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who knows, like, you never know how a film is going to be received in the public. I did my best
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to try to like, you know, tell the story in a, in a compelling way. We have so much more compelling
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another crash witness or another witness of the, of the cylindrical shaped object, very in prox,
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you know, proximity to everything else, but also incorporate some of the, uh, allegations coming
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from the American side from the congressional hearings. I don't want to like beat a dead horse
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you know, the congressional hearings are very compelling. The allegations, crash retrieval,
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a lot of people coming forward. I feel the frustration within the, uh, within the community
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that they're not providing enough details to verify these extraordinary claims and the
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criticisms coming in. But I have to remind everybody out there that in the last four years,
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considering how far it's been since the previous congressional hearings over 50 years, but like,
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so, so, you know, taking the congressional hearings, making some sense of that, talking to Eric Davis,
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aerospace engineer, it's phenomenal, but then kind of fusing the two. So it's like,
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and maybe you can, but personally, I can't think of a better case than the Virginia case involving
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the Americans. I don't think there's a better, more well-documented recent case in the world
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shock half the time people can't even process. Like, I know how I looked at it all when I was
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critique some of the editing? You want to critique a music choice? Yeah, go for it. I don't give a
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shit. Yeah. Watch that documentary, look into the eyes of the people that are putting everything on
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the line to tell you about the most important, significant interaction that's ever existed.
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I think with this movie and with the research that you've been doing, this is some of the most
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profound, important work done in disclosure, including the congressional hearings. I think
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who are all in their own right credible, regardless of if they've served in the military or not.
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These people are real and you get to see their emotion. You get to see the tears flowing from
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their eyes. This is real. This happened. And I think that it's some of the most important work
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Well, I really want to make sure that all the other people involved get the credit to all the
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And we, uh, and I think on the coattails of age of disclosure, um, you know, with Lou Elizondo and
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that, but they're making extraordinary claims, extraordinary allegations at the highest levels
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And then now, now we've got the case.
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This is it. So you're looking for, you're looking for the evidence. This is the case, in my opinion.
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By the time, by the time your audience.
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By the time your audience is watching this, I would have been back with another team of people
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meeting with more doctors in the community than ever before in history.
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Um, I want to talk about Vittorio a little bit more here because prior to the movie,
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Uh, what was the reason for that?
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Um, you know, to announce the fact that he's back in, you're talking about Pacacini.
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No, I'm talking about, oh, sorry. I'm talking, uh, I'm talking about, um, the, uh,
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Um, you know, uh, when we dropped the trailer that, um, obviously includes clips of him in
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the trailer so that people, it's not like people aren't going to know.
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I'd actually spoken to him a while ago, right after I'd done the interviews, we'd gotten
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at, uh, contact in the desert along with a handful of others. And I was telling him, oh,
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make some announcements, drop the trailer, announce the film's imminent release, this
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earlier this year, we'd gone back a second time. And then by the time your audience
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Yeah. Getting to know his wife. Where he's like, I'm, I'm, I'm the head of three
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other things in the works. Of course. That are, that are going to be, it's going to
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people behind the scenes. And there will be another big announcement in early January.
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in the United States. So big, big, big stuff. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so we, I, you know, uh,
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and let's have him in his own words. Let's addressing, you know, and I, with the, when
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I had him, Dr. Eat's low with all the other like forensic pathologists, we're going to
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spots, the restaurants they, they enjoy to go to everyone getting to know each other,
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literally performing. He's amazing on the piano. People are singing, playing guitar.
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He plays at the end of the movie.
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so beautiful. That is so beautiful. I need to have that in the movie.
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And of course the hands of like a neurosurgeon, you don't understand like,
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certain muscles in the fingers and different parts of the hand for, you know, slight of
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Jeez. And he goes, James, I'm so focused. I'm like, I'm looking in through the microscope
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For so many hours. You understand the level of intensity of what the work that I do.
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He goes, oh yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. He's, he's incredible. He's amazing. I love the
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Yes. And this is before the movie comes out. So this is only because of what was put out.
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He was the head guy and he could do things that nobody else can do. That's incredible.
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and I said, you know, I w I was a walking, talking video in the countryside. I said, look,
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At the very least have respect for him when you're criticizing, just give this man the dignity and
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respect he deserves. And then I said, if there's anybody out there in the military community thinking
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And I, and any other witness that comes forward is the same, gets the same treatment.
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The fact that he got fired for saying what he said and then rehired is so, I mean, I love the
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and, and all the witnesses, I think, uh, just absolutely. We're in this together and we're
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questions here. Yes, sir. From our lovely audience. Who's always, uh, who always brings the heat with
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the questions. I gotta say, and if you. I can neither confirm nor deny. If you guys want a chance and an
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opportunity to ask our guests some questions, you can also sign up to the membership. Uh, with that
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on this little board behind me. And here is the first question from Draculich. Okay.
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What film do you believe best represents the phenomenon? The phenomenon. That's my answer.
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Um, but if you had to, maybe a film that isn't even like a documentary about the phenomenon,
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funny because Virginia, if you think about it, the Virginia case, 1996, like think of the parallels to
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within 10 feet of a live creature in broad daylight, remember that Liliani and her sister were the two
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Katia was frozen, locked eyes on this creature. And the creature was pleading with her. I need help.
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if Katia had decided to lure this creature into safety, take it in, take it in the house.
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Yeah. But I'm just saying like, that would have been the real life ET.
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If you could truth serum one person about the phenomenon, any era, who would you choose?
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Even Detlef Bronk, who was like the biologist back then, who apparently he was the one who worked
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on these beings and the bodies and stuff. MJ-12.
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Apparently he was told about the Holloman landing case. I don't know if he was showing the evidence
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About the military industrial complex. I mean, that came from somewhere.
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Uh, no, wasn't it, wasn't it in the 50s?
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Well, I know he served in the 50s, so it might have been 60s.
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But yeah, I'm pretty sure he's got, he took a lot to the grave.
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was strong armed into obviously not giving up secrets. When you hear about the lore and
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stuff that involves Eisenhower and the gifts that he might've been given at these meetings
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this guy, Jeff Sagansky earlier in the show.
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influential behind the scenes, never wanted credit, never wanted a dime.
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out there trying to like really get to the truth, find out what's going on. I admire
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and the government knows it. No question that don't, he didn't say, Hey, the president
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of the United States took me out to an air base in Florida and showed me bodies and good,
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even the people in charge with NDAs that have signed their lives away are still, can still
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Because I feel like humanity, so sorry, I stepped away from the mic. I just feel like I wouldn't
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take it to the grave. No. Yeah.
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I be shown something that everybody should be shown the same?
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Read between the lines.
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your view of the, on the afterlife?
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to multiple sclerosis at her will. Uh, and it would have happened by the time this, this,
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to the point where I could no longer take care of myself, I didn't want to be a burden
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uh, I said, well, would it be okay if I tried to communicate with you on the other side?
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with me on the other side, I mean, it's kind of weird having these conversations when someone's
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sad. And I've cried so much in the last couple of weeks, you know, um, I've been very emotional.
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There's so many things going on. Uh, but she said, uh, well, what, what's the best evidence
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that you've heard that there's something on the other side? And I said, well, I work with
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for years. I was one of the first people to put her on camera with Tim Coleman, but for out of the blue,
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the blue back in the late nineties, I think it was late nineties or yeah, probably late nineties, 2000,
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how do you know there's something on the other side? And without a moment's hesitation, she's like, well,
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and then the next minute, his soul, it was just a carcass. It was like a piece of styrofoam. I mean,
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it was cardboard, you know, and she was like, where did the essence of his soul, like where, what just
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the planet ever. Either she read that in my mind, which I wasn't thinking about, which quite honestly,
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I hadn't thought about in a long time, or she communicated with him on the other side. It was
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one of the other. So I go, wow, that's, that's, that's pretty compelling. And I'm like,
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every time you come here, I am just completely flabbergasted by the amount of empathy you have,
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and the amount of care that you take with all of these investigations, everything you do. So I wish you
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nothing but the best of safety and luck in your continuation of this amazing journey. Thanks.
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Well, I appreciate you having me on and you're the most amazing magician and podcaster out there.
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One of the tops. So I really appreciate you too.
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